| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 19.01.2007 22:34 |
After the news of Mannheim ZDF video tapes and watching lovely Knebworth video bootleg again, I ask myself - is it possible that someone doesn't put wires into some video recorder and record all that we see on the screen to tapes?! OK, OK, I understand I could look very annoying - we have this topic every month I guess. But I just imagine - a lot of technic-men are preparing the stage with all cables, cameras etc... And it is KNEBWORTH PARK with more than 100 000 people. It's a historic gig. And noone put wires and recorded... I can't believe. I even think that some professional recorder was equipped and the concert was recorded (filmed). Some years ago someone from queenzone sent me the photo of archive-shelves with professional video tapes on them titled 'Queen 09-08-86'. And as I remember a collector said that this photo was taken by his friend who worked in archive. I know we look like children: "could be filmed?!", "couldn't be filmed?!" ... But we cannot suppose and dream... :-))) |
| john bodega 19.01.2007 23:19 |
Look, there isn't a person here with a crystal ball that could say IT IS IMPOSSIBLE that Knebworth was video'd and preserved. It is highly unlikely though. No one did it 'officially' and the guy upstairs (Brian) says there's nothing. I really do think we're just lucky to have what we do from that day - film looks better than video anyway! (I refer to the DoRo stuff). |
| Nathan 20.01.2007 03:05 |
The best we can hope for is an audio-CD release one day. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 20.01.2007 05:13 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Look, there isn't a person here with a crystal ball that could say IT IS IMPOSSIBLE that Knebworth was video'd and preserved. It is highly unlikely though. No one did it 'officially' and the guy upstairs (Brian) says there's nothing. I really do think we're just lucky to have what we do from that day - film looks better than video anyway! (I refer to the DoRo stuff).Uh yeah, Zebonka... I know, hope that Brian's wrong... |
| Serry... 20.01.2007 05:25 |
"It's a historic gig" For whom it was historic gig in August of 1986? |
| Jjeroen 20.01.2007 06:06 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote: After the news of Mannheim ZDF video tapes and watching lovely Knebworth video bootleg again, I ask myself - is it possible that someone doesn't put wires into some video recorder and record all that we see on the screen to tapes?!There is a lot more to recording something in these circumstances then just putting some wires into a device! If it was that easy, then 'yes' a lot more concerts from a lot more artists would have been recorded over the years. |
| Wilki Amieva 20.01.2007 08:08 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote: Some years ago someone from queenzone sent me the photo of archive-shelves with professional video tapes on them titled 'Queen 09-08-86'. And as I remember a collector said that this photo was taken by his friend who worked in archive.Those weren't video tapes, but multitrack audio tapes. |
| ermin 20.01.2007 08:42 |
I totally see Serry's point. No one knew back then this was the last concert for Freddie. Of course, if they knew, they would've made sure they recorded it. I would like to hear the whole concert in audio, however. I believe audio recording exists. |
| Jjeroen 20.01.2007 09:30 |
ermin wrote: I totally see Serry's point. No one knew back then this was the last concert for Freddie. Of course, if they knew, they would've made sure they recorded it. I would like to hear the whole concert in audio, however. I believe audio recording exists.Yes it does. And there is also a full bootleg video available, filmed from the big screen. |
| AlexRocks 20.01.2007 11:03 |
The point is is that someone DID film and record SOME of the concert! PROFESSIONALLY!!! That's the thing that drives me and others F'n nUtS is because they had all the cameras, used the big screens to show the concert to the 250,000 people, RECORDED some beginning parts with Queen arriving in the hellecopter AND from above...unprecendented angles and coverage...UNPRECENTED shots...and yet no one thought to keep recording? Someone said at some point...to stop doing it. OR someone said we only need so much film. It really isn't logical at all is all I and others are saying. Who knows? |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 20.01.2007 11:25 |
Serry Vietinhoff wrote: "It's a historic gig" For whom it was historic gig in August of 1986?You always pull out something from the text and make questioned '?'. Where is your thoughts on it?! It's always historic gig for every band and it doesn't matter how many touring years could follows by. Knebworth is the important 'destination' for every band. Remember Led Zeppelin in 1979? BUT EVEN MORE - Led Zeppelin had their two shows in the frame of festival. Queen is nearly the first band who played a single concert - not a festival (Of course, there were supported Status Quo + two names). Great site by the way, guys to look at: link |
| Serry... 20.01.2007 11:36 |
Yes I always pull out something, because I always find something that needs to be pull out. If someone writes long research in the maths and put "2+2=5" line there - I'll pul it out too. "The important 'destination' for every band" was not even planned before the Magic Tour. Historic gigs for the band members were Rainbow, Hammersmith, maybe Wembley, Hyde Park. But definitely Knebworth Park wasn't historic gig for "technic-men are preparing the stage with all cables, cameras etc". You're asking the question about possibility, but you don't want to hear answers which are deny that possibility. Don't ask then. (My thoughts about the KP video tape was posted in one of the other threads about it) |
| Serry... 20.01.2007 12:01 |
AlexRocks wrote:"The point is is that someone DID film and record SOME of the concert! PROFESSIONALLY!!!" Torpedo Twins aka DoRo. "used the big screens to show the concert to the 250,000 people" 120 000 - 140 000 "RECORDED some beginning parts with Queen arriving in the hellecopter AND from above...unprecendented angles and coverage...UNPRECENTED shots...and yet no one thought to keep recording? Someone said at some point...to stop doing it. OR someone said we only need so much film. It really isn't logical at all is all I and others are saying." All those footages you're talking about were filmed for the Magic Years documentary. They've filmed a lot of "alternate" footages from Wembley shows etc. etc. etc., but they were filming DOCUMENTARY, not a concert. There was not any need to film the whole show. |
| KingMercury 20.01.2007 12:28 |
brian said that concert wasnt recorded in its enterity so, he said that its impossible to release that gig |
| carboengine 20.01.2007 12:58 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote:Thanks for the link. How lovely. I had no idea!Serry Vietinhoff wrote: "It's a historic gig" For whom it was historic gig in August of 1986?You always pull out something from the text and make questioned '?'. Where is your thoughts on it?! It's always historic gig for every band and it doesn't matter how many touring years could follows by. Knebworth is the important 'destination' for every band. Remember Led Zeppelin in 1979? BUT EVEN MORE - Led Zeppelin had their two shows in the frame of festival. Queen is nearly the first band who played a single concert - not a festival (Of course, there were supported Status Quo + two names). Great site by the way, guys to look at: link |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 20.01.2007 13:05 |
Thanks for the AlexRocks post, Serry. I'm not agree with you. As Knebworth was pasted soon to the tour list near the end of the tour it doesn't mean that it wasn't considered 'historic' by Queen at that time. But what were talking about? We need to ask Brian about if he felt it was historic concert at the evening of August 8th and when he was landing to the park on the helicopter next day. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 20.01.2007 13:08 |
You became 'Serry...' again? :-) Nice. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 20.01.2007 13:14 |
Serry Vietinhoff wrote: You're asking the question about possibility, but you don't want to hear answers which are deny that possibility. Don't ask then.I'm 80% sure the tapes are missing but there is still 20% and I wanna hope. Brian could be wrong. Wembley is 'maybe' historic concert? ...... |
| Adam Baboolal 20.01.2007 14:50 |
It's funny how this same topic came up last year and ended in the same way, e.g. certain people thinking it must be out there and not listening to anyone's opinion to the contrary, etc. etc. If Brian says it's not there and Doro say they didn't film it all, then that's a pretty good indication that it isn't out there. Also, I'd like to point out that if they (doro) were a business, they wouldn't film the concert for two reasons. 1, they're not allowed as they would need the right to film it in its entirety and 2, their own costs for materials, cameras, film, etc. etc. would have led to extra costs they may not have wanted to incur. But I guess some people NEED to see some shred of evidence that it's impossible before they'll say the words, maybe not then. Adam. |
| Bobby_brown 20.01.2007 15:15 |
AlexRocks wrote: The point is is that someone DID film and record SOME of the concert! PROFESSIONALLY!!! That's the thing that drives me and others F'n nUtS is because they had all the cameras, used the big screens to show the concert to the 250,000 people, RECORDED some beginning parts with Queen arriving in the hellecopter AND from above...unprecendented angles and coverage...UNPRECENTED shots...and yet no one thought to keep recording? Someone said at some point...to stop doing it. OR someone said we only need so much film. It really isn't logical at all is all I and others are saying. Who knows?I´m talking from memory here: That footage from the band arriving to the stage was filmed by two diferent sources. Doro productions and the cameras feeding the big screen. The footage you see in the big screen is not from the Doro cameras, but the footage you see in the Magic Years 3 is from the Doro cameras. And since there wasn´t any video recorder videotaping those images, there is no video. This Brian is shure, because they didn´t found any in the archives. Now, when they say that there might be something, the only thing that there is is the footage from Doro cameras. You can see "Is this the World We created" in Magic years 3 from one of Doro cameras. I think i can spot at least 3 different cameras, and one was shooting the audience. If a video exists, why only a bad camera angle made it to magic years? It´s beyound comprehension why they didn´t recorded at least what was being filmed from the big screen (in this case the costs would be 0) but we have to accept it. Take care |
| on my way up 20.01.2007 16:20 |
We can only hope there is some more footage from DORO . That won't be good footage but something like ITTWWC is good enough for me. Maybe they have that kind of footage for bohemian rhapsody and hammer to fall. Maybe we will never know. I fully agree with everything serry says. We had discussions about this before and we always reach the same conclusion:it's unbelievable but true they didn't record the full show or the big screen shots.Sad but true! Therefor we all have to accept there will never be perfect footage from this historic Queen-gig. Maybe that adds some of the charm to that show. I hope that when Queen put out the wonderfull Budapest show ,they make a special set that includes all doro knebworth footage and the full audiorecording. With the right promotion(available for the first time the biggest show ever behind the Iron curtain and Queen's very last legendary show:-)this could be a great hit. |
| Kenneth E. Sandvær 20.01.2007 16:41 |
Some time ago I heard someone talking about there was a VHS what shown on the big screen. Maybe it was not true. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 20.01.2007 18:40 |
Bobby, onmywayup - nothing else to add. You're right 100%. Great posts, guys. Wow, I didn't know that Magic Years shots is DoRo. Yes, everybody mentioned I guess that all that we have anywhere (Rare Live also) it is like filmed by some TV. - And ALL camera angles are not straight but aside. Pity, really... By the way the same audience-aside shots we have for Wembley. So, they aslo are DoRo's? And yeah, the thing why we still continue to hope is why somebody didn't put the recorder because it's VERY EASY. Oh, God! Just two wires...... The same was for Moscow Red Square Paul McCartney concert. But interesting thing - somebody recorded/stolen full concert on video-recorder but it is not screen version - but another! - I remember very well what was shown on the screen. Very interesting that on the stage-video-mixer was different source with different camera changes as compared with that was shown on big screen. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 20.01.2007 18:42 |
Kenneth E. Sandvær wrote: Some time ago I heard someone talking about there was a VHS what shown on the big screen. Maybe it was not true.Maybe they were talking just about bootleg VHS with concert filmed from the wide screen... |
| AlexRocks 20.01.2007 18:48 |
There are such odd things that have happened in terms of concerts being filmed or what not. Michael Jackson's first solo concert was in Japan for the "Bad World Tour 1987-1988 Live!" and was apparently...I don't know this for sure...filmed by some proffesional company that were NOT suppose to be filming it and then I think some bootleg release of it got out. Isn't that WEIRD? Seems the big hint would have been THE CAMERAS! But what do I know? So I just hope that we frankly are being lied to like Led Zeppelin fans think Jimmy Page is lying how there is not anymore film to be released when the fans know that that is not true... |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 20.01.2007 19:22 |
AlexRocks wrote: So I just hope that we frankly are being lied to like Led Zeppelin fans think Jimmy Page is lying how there is not anymore film to be released when the fans know that that is not true...Absolutely, Alex! Yeah! It's alsways very interesting with Led Zeppelin videos. Plant is usually not satisfied with his voice. And with Led Zeppelin it's always been said - "No, no, no! We have nothing at the archives!"... That's why they have just a few official video concerts. Alex, don't you know what really happend with Led Zep gig at Live Aid. I've heard Robert again wasn't pleased his performance and put a veto on releasing Led Zep Live Aid performance... And so the rumour was set that Led Zep Live Aid tapes WERE LOST!!! Crazy funny!!!... Will hope something the same happened with Queen Knebworth Park... :-) Sometimes it seems to me that for QP it looks like: "Guys (fans) have this screen-shot video, they must happy with it. We're not going to release Knebworth - it's enough Magic Tour gigs released already - so, will keep silence to avoid a bootleg to be released". |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 20.01.2007 19:30 |
But anyway again, as you said, it looks strange why they didn't use the material for Magic Years if they have it?... May there is nothing really... |
| john bodega 20.01.2007 22:20 |
With Robert Plant, the theory makes more sense. They made a 'rumour' out of it because he didn't like his performance. With Knebworth... well you guys have heard it, there's really nothing to be ashamed of with that show. It's pretty much equal or better than Wembley (in parts) only there's no freakin' overdubs. (Which, without overdubs, was actually not quite as special. I think.) Don't shoot me. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 21.01.2007 00:22 |
Yeah, but in case of our Queen - maybe the reason to hide the tapes... Uh, I don't know..................... F*ck, they don't exist, I guess... |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 21.01.2007 00:25 |
Zebonka12 wrote: With Robert Plant, the theory makes more sense. They made a 'rumour' out of it because he didn't like his performance.Ha, so it's really true... Shame on you, Mr Plant... |
| AlexRocks 21.01.2007 18:46 |
How many times do I have to say this? A VERY important reason to deny, deny, deny about the existance of something that has yet to be released is so that they can sell other things first! People will be more likely to buy something if they think "Well, this is all that there is!". Who knows though, eh? |
| Adam Baboolal 21.01.2007 21:53 |
AlexRocks wrote: How many times do I have to say this? A VERY important reason to deny, deny, deny about the existance of something that has yet to be released is so that they can sell other things first! People will be more likely to buy something if they think "Well, this is all that there is!". Who knows though, eh?What are you referring to? I don't understand because what product other than this supposed Knebworth (deny all knowledge) video is there to sell right now? Videos, albums and... erm... merchandise? Another reason I don't buy into this idea is due to the Lord Of The Rings dvd plan. They purposely kept material back from their dvd releases for a later release, but did not need to hide their intentions. They openly admit it. And I suppose, thirdly, Brian was thinking it would've been nice to have knebworth in its entirety. He seemed bummed by that, if I remember it correctly. I think some people tire themselves on these kind of issues. Especially when it is exhausted from every angle and they don't accept the result. Adam. |
| Jay Mantis 22.01.2007 04:40 |
It seems that this famous show has become the victim of unstructured planning and lack of budget. As we all know the Knebworth gig was not planned for the Magic Tour, it had to be booked at the last moment. They probably couldn't get a a whole film crew on such short notice (or had time to set up), neither could they probably affort it since they just shot a multi-million dollar production at Wembley. Let's not forget that nobody knew that this would be Queen's last gig. I think for the producer it was just 'another' Queen show. Some say that they don't believe that anyone would just film parts of the concert but not the wole show, well as some have already mentioned it was the DoRo boys that shot those parts of footage. They shot is for their documentary so they only shot some pieces but not the entire concert. Shooting the enitre show would have been way too costly'! So anyway in my opinion we have to accept that we only have a complete audio recording but due to unfortunate events there is no complete video recording availible. Of course we can always hope... |
| Scott_Mercury 22.01.2007 07:03 |
« Jay » wrote: Let's not forget that nobody knew that this would be Queen's last gig.Almost nobody... I feel Freddie may have. |
| john bodega 22.01.2007 07:10 |
In Queen : Is This the Real Life, Brian pretty adamantly says that Freddie said (shortly after Knebworth) that he 'didn't want to do it anymore'. It might be another figment of his failed memory, but I'm sure he said the others found it unusual as well, so I'm sure it actually happened. But anyway! |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 22.01.2007 17:56 |
Jay, you're absolutely right. Yeah, they just shot Wembley, and so, to prepare Knebworth to be filmed using many professional cameras again would be crazy. Aslo they had Budapest filmed already. I'm sure they knew that evening it was ONE OF the historic Queen concerts but it doesn't matter they need to film it. But the main thought is - OK, they didn't prepare many professional cameras as for Wembley but... - THEY HAD SEVERAL OF THEM - THOSE THAT WAS ON THE WIDE SCREEN!!!... Somebody must SAVE it (record it)... must save it... |
| Adam Baboolal 22.01.2007 21:53 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote: Jay, you're absolutely right. Yeah, they just shot Wembley, and so, to prepare Knebworth to be filmed using many professional cameras again would be crazy. Aslo they had Budapest filmed already. I'm sure they knew that evening it was ONE OF the historic Queen concerts but it doesn't matter they need to film it. But the main thought is - OK, they didn't prepare many professional cameras as for Wembley but... - THEY HAD SEVERAL OF THEM - THOSE THAT WAS ON THE WIDE SCREEN!!!... Somebody must SAVE it (record it)... must save it...Ok.... now you're starting to sound deluded. Adam. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 23.01.2007 10:31 |
What's wrong in my thinking? |
| Negative Creep 23.01.2007 11:24 |
The chances of the live feed for the big screen not being captured is extremely slim. It's more realistic to propose that the feed was recorded, but has either been lost or was never handed over to QP by the production company in the first place and is now untraceable. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 23.01.2007 11:43 |
Negative Creep wrote: The chances of the live feed for the big screen not being captured is extremely slim. It's more realistic to propose that the feed was recorded, but has either been lost or was never handed over to QP by the production company in the first place and is now untraceable.Very possible. Maybe someday someone will sell it on Christie's... Or never... |
| Penetration_Guru 23.01.2007 14:36 |
Negative Creep wrote: The chances of the live feed for the big screen not being captured is extremely slim. It's more realistic to propose that the feed was recorded, but has either been lost or was never handed over to QP by the production company in the first place and is now untraceable.That's just not true. In order to have a big scren, you need cameras at every show. But recording equipment wasn't automatically attached. By the time they got to Knebworth they had filmed two shows - one for TV and one for VHS. There would be no reason to consider spending additional money on recording and keeping another concert when there was no purpose. |
| AlexRocks 23.01.2007 15:21 |
I thought that it was of my understanding that there were as many as half a dozen concerts filmed professionally on the Magic World Tour 1986. I don't know how they worked it into their budget or how they planned ahead to film a show or not. Obviously time was not a factor in preventing them from doing it because we have all seen the filmed clips from Knebworth. Who's ever heard of a film crew that didn't have any or enough film? There is a FREAKIN' elephant flying in with candy and toys on his back and all you film is it's landing? The whole reason of saying "That's all their is." by the person selling the product would be to sell the concerts that frankly are not in as high demand FIRST as the view and mindset by the fans, public, and media would be that this would be all that represents Queen on film from that tour. THEN you release whatever concert that is the best so that you get people to buy yet ANOTHER concert from THE SAME TOUR when the setlists were often the same anyway! If you release the best concerts first the ones that aren't so good that are released later on just in theory aren't going to sell as well. |
| Negative Creep 23.01.2007 15:37 |
Penetration_Guru wrote:I don't understand what you're saying with your first 2 sentences. There were cameras there to film the gig for it to be shown on the big screens - that is a fact. Who would be stupid enough to film such a big act play such a big gig and not capture the footage that was being shot? I don't believe for a moment any professional production crew would be. It wouldn't have been that costly to have recorded the live feed onto video tape. We aren't talking multiple tape feeds or film here.Negative Creep wrote: The chances of the live feed for the big screen not being captured is extremely slim. It's more realistic to propose that the feed was recorded, but has either been lost or was never handed over to QP by the production company in the first place and is now untraceable.That's just not true. In order to have a big scren, you need cameras at every show. But recording equipment wasn't automatically attached. By the time they got to Knebworth they had filmed two shows - one for TV and one for VHS. There would be no reason to consider spending additional money on recording and keeping another concert when there was no purpose. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 23.01.2007 16:35 |
It wouldn't have been that costly to have recorded the live feed onto video tape. We aren't talking multiple tape feeds or film here.Right. AlexRocks, don't you think that to JUST record all that was shown on the screen is expensive? We don't speak about filming of EACH camera. Huhhh... But who knows the truth?... It's all our 'bla bla bla'... But it's very interesting for us, it's our dreaming and considerations. It's a pleasure to talk about it. Great posts, guy! |
| NTL 23.01.2007 17:25 |
And people here seem to forget that it was only about two years ago that Brian (the man who now says nothing exists), said that the whole show existed but it was only recorded from the feed going to the screens, so it cant be edited, and any bad shots they are stuck with, and that is the reason it wont be released. Brians words ! So if they never plan to release it, saying it does not exist should shut people up. |
| breakthru1989 23.01.2007 17:52 |
in 1986 FREDDIE says we should record everything. in my oppinion evything is also STEVENAGE KNEBWORTH PARK UK 09-08-1986. they only say there is nothing because they don’t want to release this big gig from ’86. WHY? i don’t know. (look at the second wembley DVD 2003) in 1986 queen were told that FREDDIE was ill. they all knew KNEBWORTH would be the last. the WHOLE show is on tape. videoclip THE SHOW MUST GO ON,1991 in the 90s they sayd that it was recorded badley. what is really the truth. i think the whole day is on tape somewhere in the studio around the world. it would be stupid not to record the very last concert with the one and only FREDDIE. it was their best gig from the magic tour’86. there is also an complete leiden concert’86. i cannot believe there is no knebworth video. 1.it was their last. 2.in really big park. 3.the last from the magic tour 1986. 4.freddie sayd we should record everything. 5.rare live,1989 6.video the show must go on,1991 7.the magic years documentary 3,1987 8.documentary magic moments,2003 9.CD LIVE MAGIC,1986 10.? |
| Jay Mantis 23.01.2007 18:12 |
NTL wrote: So if they never plan to release it, saying it does not exist should shut people up.That's actually very true. I agree with you there. We all know that Queen was and always has been very strict about what should be released, what's good and what's not. If for some reason the complete show would lack camera angles/good material then it would already be enough to say that it should not be released. Besides with two professional magic shows on the shelf I can somewhat understand why the wouldn't want to risk releasing it. But perhaps to not disappoint the fans about it they would just say that a full recording doesn't exist. Perhaps that's exactly the same situation with some of the other so called 'myths'. Maybe there is a complete and amazing recording of the second night at Earls Court but due to Freddie or the rest of the band not being in best shape (vocal wise) they'll just deny it's existance. |
| Negative Creep 23.01.2007 18:32 |
NTL wrote: And people here seem to forget that it was only about two years ago that Brian (the man who now says nothing exists), said that the whole show existed but it was only recorded from the feed going to the screens, so it cant be edited, and any bad shots they are stuck with, and that is the reason it wont be released.Did he say? I don't remember that. I know he once commented on the Milton Keynes footage being from a live feed - that they didn't have multiple angles to play with (despite the footage being a different edit to what was shown on TV). |
| Penetration_Guru 23.01.2007 19:06 |
breakthru1989 wrote: in 1986 FREDDIE says we should record everything.He did? Did he say audio or video? |
| Penetration_Guru 23.01.2007 19:10 |
Negative Creep wrote:The cameras didn't have tape in them, they just sent a signal to a video mixer, where one guy decided which shots were sent to the screen. No (video) recording equipment was present.Penetration_Guru wrote:I don't understand what you're saying with your first 2 sentences. There were cameras there to film the gig for it to be shown on the big screens - that is a fact. Who would be stupid enough to film such a big act play such a big gig and not capture the footage that was being shot? I don't believe for a moment any professional production crew would be. It wouldn't have been that costly to have recorded the live feed onto video tape. We aren't talking multiple tape feeds or film here.Negative Creep wrote: The chances of the live feed for the big screen not being captured is extremely slim.In order to have a big scren, you need cameras at every show. But recording equipment wasn't automatically attached. You may now, with the benfit of hindsight, say that it wouldn't be expensive, and they were mad not to do it, but AT THE TIME it was an unnecessary cost and they didn't know that this was actually properly IT for Queen live. Is that more clear? |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 23.01.2007 19:23 |
NTL wrote: And people here seem to forget that it was only about two years ago that Brian (the man who now says nothing exists), said that the whole show existed but it was only recorded from the feed going to the screens, so it cant be edited, and any bad shots they are stuck with, and that is the reason it wont be released. Brians words ! So if they never plan to release it, saying it does not exist should shut people up.That's really great if you're not mistaken! It warms our hearts and bring a hope that someday maybe Knebworth will be realesed as it was shown on the screen. What I think writing this - guys, it's good promoting advertising for a video release: "Queen: The Last Concert ever. Live at The Knebworth Park in its entire - as you had been there: as shown on the screen." Something like that :-) |
| Adam Baboolal 23.01.2007 19:29 |
I'd also like to add a couple of things here. For the last few years our town hall has had a video camera sitting, pointing at the stage and then sent that feed to the dressing rooms. Such luxury for us performers! Anyway, no-one ever records ANY show. In fact, this year I asked them to record it for me and I provided the tapes! So, just because there's a video feed there, doesn't mean it'll automatically be recorded. I found this out last year when I asked for a copy of our show and found that they only use the camera as a guide for people working on the shows. It may not be the same situation, obviously, but it's something similar. I'd really like to know what people thought they'd be recording to after the video mixer. Please enlighten us... Adam. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 23.01.2007 19:29 |
breakthru1989 wrote: in 1986 FREDDIE says we should record everything.I also remember something like that. But of course it's about AUDIO material (release of Live Magic). Guys, where did you get this strange info - just look at Manchester or Newcastle private videos - even if there were cameras they were filming just for several songs. Look at the stage! |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 23.01.2007 19:39 |
You're right, Adam. Of course, it would be possible that they didn't record the screen's feed... Yes, it would be great to ask some stage audio- or video- engineer. What does happen with this kind of shows with the stage screen. I thought about Peter Hince? Or he knows whom contact to ask. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 23.01.2007 19:41 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: No (video) recording equipment was present.How do you know this? Maybe was!... |
| Smitty 23.01.2007 20:54 |
Okay, I gotta bring this up. link Go to the mysterious live videos section and scroll down to the bottom. Well, that could have only been a single camera from a news crew or something, but it is something. |
| AlexRocks 23.01.2007 22:29 |
Well, well ,well. Holy hell. I just shitted my pants. Of course it is no proof but within the time of discussing this topic in this post someone did pull something up I for one have never seen. Do I need to say how great THOSE pictures look if for that reason alone? I guess nothing should be read into the cameraman there (seen by the stage) as that isn't the discussion but as to whether or not anything more was filmed that we know about. By the way...the angle of the camera shot looks GREAT! |
| john bodega 23.01.2007 23:51 |
"in 1986 FREDDIE says we should record everything." You've completely ignored the context of this quote. It was after the Paris gig, and the guy directing the Wembley shoot was discussing if there would be one or two songs that could be left out (so that new tape could be chucked in the cameras). To which Freddie said 'we should record *everything*'. Meaning - every song in the set. At Wembley. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 02:24 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "in 1986 FREDDIE says we should record everything." You've completely ignored the context of this quote. It was after the Paris gig, and the guy directing the Wembley shoot was discussing if there would be one or two songs that could be left out (so that new tape could be chucked in the cameras). To which Freddie said 'we should record *everything*'. Meaning - every song in the set. At Wembley.Nice info, I didn't know where Fred said it. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 02:29 |
<b><font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote: Okay, I gotta bring this up. link Go to the mysterious live videos section and scroll down to the bottom. Well, that could have only been a single camera from a news crew or something, but it is something.Thanks for info! It's DoRo. And maybe, guys, it means they have nothing but DoRo in the archives. |
| guild93 24.01.2007 02:41 |
<b><font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote: Okay, I gotta bring this up. link Go to the mysterious live videos section and scroll down to the bottom. Well, that could have only been a single camera from a news crew or something, but it is something.That's quite unbelievable. I will have to check if the report is on Youtube yet. I recall 10 years ago a guy called Dave (I don't recall his surname) claiming to have the complete Knebworth video from the BBC archives .... we all thought he was a hoaxer but this now makes me wonder. |
| Mkls 24.01.2007 04:16 |
No new information here. This piece of Knebworth footage was included in a recent report about Brian's honorary degree, broadcast on ITV Anglia (ITV Anglia covers the region including Knebworth if i am not mistaken ). Obviously it was recorded for local news in 1986, and it is in their news footage archive since then, so it was easy to use it in a Queen related item. Its funny to see how people mix up various information bits (Wembley DVD / Milton Keynes TV feed) to backup their false theories... |
| Serry... 24.01.2007 05:01 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote: Nice info, I didn't know where Fred said it.It's on Live at Wembley DVD, in the interview with Gavin Taylor. |
| [ Wybren™ ] 24.01.2007 06:54 |
Serry... wrote:I second that.Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote: Nice info, I didn't know where Fred said it.It's on Live at Wembley DVD, in the interview with Gavin Taylor. Anyway, if there's not a full proshot VIDEO recording (Which I believe is true), there are a couple of options to make this show available in the best quality one can get. There are two options IMO: 1. A DVD-Audio with just the audio in 2.0 and DTS 5.1 with the songs that were captured on video as a bonus 2. Making a mixture of the professional DoRo recording and the bootleg video(How many sources are available?) with a proper DTS 5.1 soundmix. Jimmy Page used some bootleg shots in the - often referred to - LedZep DVD box. I know Knebworth is then the third Magic show which is getting a DVD release, but it is the last Queen show, so I think it should be. What do you think? |
| Negative Creep 24.01.2007 07:03 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: I'd also like to add a couple of things here. For the last few years our town hall has had a video camera sitting, pointing at the stage and then sent that feed to the dressing rooms. Such luxury for us performers! Anyway, no-one ever records ANY show. In fact, this year I asked them to record it for me and I provided the tapes! So, just because there's a video feed there, doesn't mean it'll automatically be recorded. I found this out last year when I asked for a copy of our show and found that they only use the camera as a guide for people working on the shows. It may not be the same situation, obviously, but it's something similar. I'd really like to know what people thought they'd be recording to after the video mixer. Please enlighten us... Adam.Something similar? How is that? It isn't similar in any way. Does your town hall have a production crew with multiple cameras on the ready or something? You are comparing a single stationary camcorder being used for monitoring purposes in a local town hall to a production crew with multiple professional cameras filming for a major event by a major band. What would they record to after the video mixer? The same thing they used to record to at Milton Keynes perhaps? Obviously some kind of tape machine. "Please enlighten us..." - are you now suggesting that it wouldn't have even been possible? Ha! |
| Negative Creep 24.01.2007 07:18 |
Penetration_Guru wrote:Who said the cameras had tape in them? The cameras at MK didn't "have tape in them" - they just recorded the live feed from a mix of the multiple cameras - like, erm, TV... it's not unusual. How can you categorically state that they was no recording equipment present? You can't possibly unless you were part of the production crew filming it.Negative Creep wrote:The cameras didn't have tape in them, they just sent a signal to a video mixer, where one guy decided which shots were sent to the screen. No (video) recording equipment was present. You may now, with the benfit of hindsight, say that it wouldn't be expensive, and they were mad not to do it, but AT THE TIME it was an unnecessary cost and they didn't know that this was actually properly IT for Queen live. Is that more clear?Penetration_Guru wrote:I don't understand what you're saying with your first 2 sentences. There were cameras there to film the gig for it to be shown on the big screens - that is a fact. Who would be stupid enough to film such a big act play such a big gig and not capture the footage that was being shot? I don't believe for a moment any professional production crew would be. It wouldn't have been that costly to have recorded the live feed onto video tape. We aren't talking multiple tape feeds or film here.Negative Creep wrote: The chances of the live feed for the big screen not being captured is extremely slim.In order to have a big scren, you need cameras at every show. But recording equipment wasn't automatically attached. Plus, this is nothing to do with hindsight with it being the bands last gig. Queen were an established act - it would have been in their interests to record it (for reference and archival purposes), plus the production crews. They weren't an uknown band playing to 15 people in a pub you know. You are suggesting that QP, the tour management AND the production crew all forgot to think about recording what was being recorded?!?!?! Who would go to the trouble of filming such an event for it to be fed just to a big screen and be lost forever? |
| cmsdrums 24.01.2007 07:21 |
I agree with Wybren - a compilation of any official video footage, plus the best of the numerous bootleg film that is out there, coupled with fully remastered 5.1 and stereo audio would make a fitting record of their last ever gig. Although I am against any further Magic Tour releases on the whole, as the very last gig it should be recorded and released for posterity. As per the Led Zep box, the addition of bootleg footage to complement the official footage is a great idea, and actually a selling point, but unfortunatley such is Queen's anal quality control on releases, I don't think that this will ever happen. |
| buderhin 24.01.2007 07:57 |
guild93 wrote:i cant find it :(<b><font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote: Okay, I gotta bring this up. link Go to the mysterious live videos section and scroll down to the bottom. Well, that could have only been a single camera from a news crew or something, but it is something.That's quite unbelievable. I will have to check if the report is on Youtube yet. I recall 10 years ago a guy called Dave (I don't recall his surname) claiming to have the complete Knebworth video from the BBC archives .... we all thought he was a hoaxer but this now makes me wonder. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 11:18 |
i cant find it :(Go to the 'mysterious live videos' section and there you find it. Actually all these BBC reports show just DoRo video material (side-angle's pictures). We really DON'T have any program or report that includes 'real' streight-angel's cameras that were using for the screen's feed. But it doesn't matter there is no 'REAL' video material in the archives. Maybe it's very good hidden :-) |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 11:28 |
Wybren™ wrote: I second that. Anyway, if there's not a full proshot VIDEO recording (Which I believe is true), there are a couple of options to make this show available in the best quality one can get. There are two options IMO: 1. A DVD-Audio with just the audio in 2.0 and DTS 5.1 with the songs that were captured on video as a bonus 2. Making a mixture of the professional DoRo recording and the bootleg video(How many sources are available?) with a proper DTS 5.1 soundmix. Jimmy Page used some bootleg shots in the - often referred to - LedZep DVD box. I know Knebworth is then the third Magic show which is getting a DVD release, but it is the last Queen show, so I think it should be. What do you think?It's crap to use bootleg video (you mean the bootleg we all have?) - even if you get the master for it - it is jumping all the time and you can clearly see the pixels of the screen. If to release full professional AUDIO + DoRo video material - it's something but I won't be fully satisfied... I will be satisfied with the entire video-line that audience had seen on the screen :-) |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 11:40 |
Negative Creep wrote: You are suggesting that QP, the tour management AND the production crew all forgot to think about recording what was being recorded?!?!?! Who would go to the trouble of filming such an event for it to be fed just to a big screen and be lost forever?Exactly. THEY OUGHT TO RECORD IT. Or they are fools. I understand you guys who say they didn't know it was their last - and it's true, of course! -but it was one of the biggest Queen concerts ever, also in the legendary rock-place (I don't need to mention Led Zep). And when you already have several cameras equipped to show the picture to the screen - it's very very strange to not film it... Don't you think, guys, this topic becomes each self 'bla-bla-bla' :-) A half say it's possible, the second half it isn't :-) |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 11:45 |
Serry... wrote:Thanks, Serry.Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote: Nice info, I didn't know where Fred said it.It's on Live at Wembley DVD, in the interview with Gavin Taylor. |
| breakthru1989 24.01.2007 12:32 |
yes serry that is what i’m talkin about. i have the official double WEMBLEY STADIUM DVD. their on an section i saw GAVIN TAYLOR talkin about how WEMBLEY stage was build and he said that FREDDIE told them in 1986 we should RECORD EVERYTHING. just look at the second WEMBLEY DVD and go to the section GAVIN TAYLOR. THEN you will see and gavin say that. have an good evening. |
| john bodega 24.01.2007 12:56 |
Yes, Gavin Taylor quotes Freddie as saying that. Please - pay attention to this word : "Context". We learn by doing, so I'll use the word here: You have to take the Freddie quote 'in context'. One can't just quote him, and bend the words to mean something else. Freddie was talking about the upcoming Wembley show; he did not want one or two songs omitted so the camera guys could reload tapes and stuff. It'd be like taking his 'my attitude is - fuck it' quote and applying it to sheep. |
| [ Wybren™ ] 24.01.2007 13:09 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote:It's crap to use bootleg video (you mean the bootleg we all have?) - even if you get the master for it - it is jumping all the time and you can clearly see the pixels of the screen. If to release full professional AUDIO + DoRo video material - it's something but I won't be fully satisfied... I will be satisfied with the entire video-line that audience had seen on the screen :-)Of course it's not great quality, but I think it's better than just DTS 5.1 audio. For me the audio is the most important. And you'll get to see the concert from an audience point of view;) Another option is using a slide show instead of the bootleg video, but I like the bootleg video better;) I still don't think a complete professional VIDEO recording of Knebworth will ever surface. Does anyone know if there is more than one bootleg video of Knebworth? |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 14:15 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Yes, Gavin Taylor quotes Freddie as saying that. Please - pay attention to this word : "Context". We learn by doing, so I'll use the word here: You have to take the Freddie quote 'in context'. One can't just quote him, and bend the words to mean something else. Freddie was talking about the upcoming Wembley show; he did not want one or two songs omitted so the camera guys could reload tapes and stuff. It'd be like taking his 'my attitude is - fuck it' quote and applying it to sheep.Right!!! Fred's talking about not missing every second OF WEBLEY FOOTAGE. It means nothing for our Knebworth discussion. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 14:18 |
Wybren™ ] wrote: Does anyone know if there is more than one bootleg video of Knebworth?Always knew only about THE FAMOUS screen-bootleg. Interesting question, Wybren! Is it???!!! |
| Adam Baboolal 24.01.2007 14:40 |
Negative Creep wrote:My point probably wasn't clear. I meant that they (T-Hall) could attach a video/dvd recorder to the camera and then sell it to the people behind the show. People behind the shows don't think to film it themselves. And even I had a hell of a time trying to set something up because of "health and safety" issues getting in the way of placing a simple tripod up for a camera.Adam Baboolal wrote: I'd also like to add a couple of things here. For the last few years our town hall has had a video camera sitting, pointing at the stage and then sent that feed to the dressing rooms. Such luxury for us performers! Anyway, no-one ever records ANY show. In fact, this year I asked them to record it for me and I provided the tapes! So, just because there's a video feed there, doesn't mean it'll automatically be recorded. I found this out last year when I asked for a copy of our show and found that they only use the camera as a guide for people working on the shows. It may not be the same situation, obviously, but it's something similar. I'd really like to know what people thought they'd be recording to after the video mixer. Please enlighten us... Adam.Something similar? How is that? It isn't similar in any way. Does your town hall have a production crew with multiple cameras on the ready or something? You are comparing a single stationary camcorder being used for monitoring purposes in a local town hall to a production crew with multiple professional cameras filming for a major event by a major band. What would they record to after the video mixer? The same thing they used to record to at Milton Keynes perhaps? Obviously some kind of tape machine. "Please enlighten us..." - are you now suggesting that it wouldn't have even been possible? Ha! So, there's nothing attached to that camera, ever. Why not? Wouldn't that be a, "nice little earner"? So, regardless of the status you mention a big band has, it's not silly to think that even they might not put a recording unit on the end. We're all human beings, you know. Status doesn't mean much, you know. If it wasn't for me, my theatre wouldn't film our shows! And I'm in the damned things! Adam. |
| Bobby_brown 24.01.2007 14:47 |
One of the possibilities is QueenProductions to ask BBC and local TV´s if there´s something on the archives. This was a huge event and i´m shure it was news in England. Even if they only have a couple of songs like the "Newcastle" TV report it would be great as a bonus. Just look to the new DVD from Nirvana. Take care |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 14:56 |
Bobby_brown wrote: One of the possibilities is QueenProductions to ask BBC and local TV´s if there´s something on the archives. This was a huge event and i´m shure it was news in England. Even if they only have a couple of songs like the "Newcastle" TV report it would be great as a bonus. Just look to the new DVD from Nirvana. Take careInteresting thing, Bobby - Does QP have the rights for DoRo-filming? Who does have the rights for that side-angle's filming (that's on Magic Years, for example)? |
| Penetration_Guru 24.01.2007 15:39 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote:How come you agree with Adam three minutes earlier, and disagree with me?Penetration_Guru wrote: No (video) recording equipment was present.How do you know this? Maybe was!... Maybe was indeed...except Brian says it wasn't, and I trust him more than I trust you. |
| Penetration_Guru 24.01.2007 15:42 |
Negative Creep wrote:But they didn't take a tape machine to every concert. THAT'S OUR POINT!!!!!Adam Baboolal wrote: I'd really like to know what people thought they'd be recording to after the video mixer. Please enlighten us... Adam.What would they record to after the video mixer? The same thing they used to record to at Milton Keynes perhaps? Obviously some kind of tape machine. "Please enlighten us..." - are you now suggesting that it wouldn't have even been possible? Ha! I realise we're stealing your dreams here and you're clearly determined not to let go, whatever anyone says |
| Penetration_Guru 24.01.2007 15:50 |
Negative Creep wrote:Penetration_Guru wrote:How do you know there WAS recording equipment present? Don't put the burden of proof on me...Negative Creep wrote:The cameras didn't have tape in them, they just sent a signal to a video mixer, where one guy decided which shots were sent to the screen. No (video) recording equipment was present.Penetration_Guru wrote:Who would be stupid enough to film such a big act play such a big gig and not capture the footage that was being shot? I don't believe for a moment any professional production crew would be. It wouldn't have been that costly to have recorded the live feed onto video tape. We aren't talking multiple tape feeds or film here.Negative Creep wrote: The chances of the live feed for the big screen not being captured is extremely slim.In order to have a big scren, you need cameras at every show. But recording equipment wasn't automatically attached.How can you categorically state that they was no recording equipment present? You can't possibly unless you were part of the production crew filming it. Plus, this is nothing to do with hindsight with it being the bands last gig. Queen were an established act - it would have been in their interests to record it (for reference and archival purposes), plus the production crews. They weren't an uknown band playing to 15 people in a pub you know. You are suggesting that QP, the tour management AND the production crew all forgot to think about recording what was being recorded?!?!?! Who would go to the trouble of filming such an event for it to be fed just to a big screen and be lost forever? |
| Penetration_Guru 24.01.2007 15:52 |
Bobby_brown wrote: One of the possibilities is QueenProductions to ask BBC and local TV´s if there´s something on the archives.gee there's a thought. They should employ an archivist to (in part) contact TV companies to see what they have. Good idea |
| AlexRocks 24.01.2007 18:30 |
If I recall Brian May did not say that they knew one way or the other if Knebworth was filmed. That was the point of going to DoRo or whoever wherever else for example checking "the archives". For whatever it is worth just about every artist out there "finds" things as the years role by. I still stand by it being bizare having video cameras there AND filming yet doing only a small part of the show. As I said it is like an elephant flying in with toys and candy on it's back and all you do is film the landing and then quit. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 21:24 |
an elephant flying in with toys and candy on it's backAlex, what's is it? Nice! American or English proverb? Sounds like Paul McCartney's saying in Moscow "The red dog flew in a yellow balloon"... My crap... nevermind... :-) |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 21:34 |
Penetration_Guru wrote:I don't disagree with you! I just said 'How do you know this?' BECAUSE YOU SAID THERE WASN'T ANY RECORDER AS IT'S PROOVED. I never say anything for sure if I haven't the proofs. In this topic we're just wondering and wanting to hear people who's got the real facts about existing video master tapes, aren't we.Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote:How come you agree with Adam three minutes earlier, and disagree with me?Penetration_Guru wrote: No (video) recording equipment was present.How do you know this? Maybe was!... If I formulate my point, it would be: I 80% believe there is/are tape/s in the archives & 20% I don't. So I agree with you on 20% :-))) Cheers, Penetration_Guru! |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 21:52 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: "If there was recording equipment, it would be there because it had been taken to every gig on the tour, in which case there would be 26 full concerts awaiting release" You're still seeing it as a "big event", which it seems to be NOW, but wasn't THEN, however hard you try to make it. Yes, it was the last night of the tour, but they didn't film the last night of every tour did they? AND it was only added late on - so the tour was originally due to finish in Barcelona (?)PenGuru, but here I disagree with you. My point is: 1) They KNEW it was BIG gig. But again - of course, it doesn't mean they needed to film it. Espesially if the date was known very late. Didn't you ever think why we have that DoRo video material NAMELY for Knebworth?! - For me, it's proof that they DID consider it was a big and historic gig. 2) But if they ALREADY HAVE the cameras' crew (not many cameras as for Wembley or Budapest but several) to show the show to the screen, they OUGHT TO record AT LEAST the screen's feed for future use. Who believe in this, OUR POINT is that it doesn't cost much to equip a recorder when you ALREADY have cameras equipped. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 22:07 |
"If there was recording equipment, it would be there because it had been taken to every gig on the tour, in which case there would be 26 full concerts awaiting release"It's not true, of course. Because Queen had the cameras equipped not for all Magic Tour concerts but just for several (we don't count Newcastle, Barcelona, Leiden etc... with audience "TV-reports-cameras"). But for which they had cameras, it's possible the full video exists. But for which concerts they had cameras? We know for sure for Wembley, Budapest, Knebworth. Mannheim... Mannheim footage - what is it? "TV-report-cameras", DoRo's cameras or Queen stage-cameras (as at Wembley)? If we look at Mannheim WATC, for me, it looks like just DoRo cameras - no stage-cameras - look at the filming with Freddie's close-up - it's jumping because it's filmed from the audience not from the stage. Only one "stage" filming is on Magic Years (or TSMGO video) where Freddie's throwing something to audience. BUT IT COULD BE JUST ONE DORO CAMERA AT THE STAGE AND NO MORE. |
| john bodega 24.01.2007 22:34 |
"Right!!! Fred's talking about not missing every second OF WEBLEY FOOTAGE. It means nothing for our Knebworth discussion." It's W E M B L E Y, and I only brought it up because breakthru1989 kept bringing up the quote. Just setting 'em straight, sheesh! :P |
| AlexRocks 24.01.2007 23:56 |
Lol! Obviously it was going to be some sort of big ass significant concert as they say on the Wembley d.v.d. that they could have done numberous more nights at Wembley but decided to do one big ass concert because the stadium wasn't avialabe on their schedule. Big ass concerts that are big ass concerts compared to stadium concerts are a big ass deal. Sure they may not have known it was to be the last...but they must have had their heads up their asses to not realize it was going to be a big ass concert. Get it? Got it? Good? |
| john bodega 25.01.2007 01:17 |
I don't think so; really... sometimes, people just don't *think* something will have any great significance. I didn't pose for a photo the last time I saw my grandmother - in fact I barely even said 'bye' very loudly because I was enjoying what was on the TV. Of course, ten years later, if I knew that was the last time I'd see the poor woman, I'd have made a bigger fuss... but you know, a lost opportunity. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 25.01.2007 01:32 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I don't think so; really... sometimes, people just don't *think* something will have any great significance. I didn't pose for a photo the last time I saw my grandmother - in fact I barely even said 'bye' very loudly because I was enjoying what was on the TV. Of course, ten years later, if I knew that was the last time I'd see the poor woman, I'd have made a bigger fuss... but you know, a lost opportunity.Gosh... How you are right... (a story about your grandmam). I love you for this, Zebonka. You're a sentimental freak as me... |
| john bodega 25.01.2007 05:56 |
Well I guess I was being irrelevant :P Point is, one can't tell the future - it is very likely that whoever was responsible simply didn't 'think' to record the footage. It's something we'd all like to change ; I'd love to have a video of that fete in '57 where Paul McCartney first saw John Lennon performing, but meh! No one knew anything would come of it, right? |
| Adam Baboolal 25.01.2007 07:53 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote:Hold on... are you reading what people are posting in this thread? I'm pretty sure this was already explained. DoRo were there to get some bits and pieces for their documentary.Penetration_Guru wrote: "If there was recording equipment, it would be there because it had been taken to every gig on the tour, in which case there would be 26 full concerts awaiting release" You're still seeing it as a "big event", which it seems to be NOW, but wasn't THEN, however hard you try to make it. Yes, it was the last night of the tour, but they didn't film the last night of every tour did they? AND it was only added late on - so the tour was originally due to finish in Barcelona (?)PenGuru, but here I disagree with you. My point is: 1) They KNEW it was BIG gig. But again - of course, it doesn't mean they needed to film it. Espesially if the date was known very late. Didn't you ever think why we have that DoRo video material NAMELY for Knebworth?! - For me, it's proof that they DID consider it was a big and historic gig. Adam. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 25.01.2007 09:52 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: Hold on... are you reading what people are posting in this thread? I'm pretty sure this was already explained. DoRo were there to get some bits and pieces for their documentary. Adam.I do. Before this post, I even didn't know that this material was DoRo, I thought it's just audience-Queen-cameras (as for Wembley and the same for Knebworth). This post turns into something when people repeat thoughts several times. I don't count how many times I said the same thoughts (also first said not by me) :-) |
| Bobby_brown 25.01.2007 11:58 |
Even though it´s a criminal waste not to videotape the film on the big screen, we have to understand why it happened. As you know, this was new technology for Queen. As far as i´m concern Wembley was the first time Queen used the Big Scree (i think at that time was the biggest in the world but i can be wrong!). So, should they record the show?- Probably no, because the show was already being filmed for a VHS release. Now, Knebworth arrives, and for the second time they used the big screen. What do they do?-Well, they do exactly what they have donne for the first time, only this time there wasn´t anyone filming the concert. They just did the same thing as on Wembley, and i´m almost 100% shure that they didn´t videotaped the Wembley big screen too! If there´s not the full concert at least part of it still must be in the DoRo archives, but with very few and bad camera angles. It´s really a pitty, because you have the arrival of Queen at Knebworth in the helicopter. You have great footage from the day. It would be really fantastic. You just don´t have footage from the concert. Even if they found some other sources on T.V (and i really think they should consider this option) they can´t edit with the DoRo pieces, because DoRo used cinema(?)cameras (the same that were used in Budapest). So, as you can see, everything is good ; )) Take care |
| Bobby_brown 25.01.2007 13:05 |
After watching again the Knebworth documentary link this is what i think: I could spot about 8 different cameras by DoRo (not counting the day footage): 1 helicopter camera 1 cameras filming Queen entering their helicopter 2 cameras filming the arrival at Knebworth. Probably one of these cameras also filmed their entry on stage. 2 cameras filming the stage from the right side (sometimes they shot the audience during GaGa) 1 Camera on the left side of the stage during GaGA filming the audience 1 at 5:03 there´s a camera angle that i can´t say for shure (it can be one of the above) 1 at 5:41 on the left side of the stage next to the audience. After watching "Days of our lives" documentary and other videos by DoRo i believe the cameras were kept rolling the entire concert. After watching "Is This the World We Created ?" link the reason why they didn´t used other camera angles, i think it was purelly an option. In the end you can see the camera filming the audience, and since they wanted to achieve a kind of feeling with this clip they´ve opted to fill with other tour (budapest) snipets. So, the question here is: In this kind of event, is there a director guiving instructions to each cameraman, or do they shoot what they want? I mean, it´s useless to have ALL cameras pointed out to the audience at the same time! If this was a programed thing with a director conducting them, then i think that they must have some good footage from this concert. The problem is, this was indeed a very expensive thing, to travel with a band for a documentary, and i believe that they didn´t kept all of what they have filmed. So, have they re-recorded over the tapes after the Magic Years release? This would make sense because they kept filming all day long for the documentary. This answer only they can guive but i believe they have not erased all of it, because in 1991 there was new footage for "TSMGO" and the for "In My Defence". Lets just hope that at least someone has a sense of history! Take care |
| Serry... 25.01.2007 13:13 |
Will this circle be broken or are we gonna repeat all that stuff again and again? |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 25.01.2007 13:30 |
Bobby_brown wrote: Now, Knebworth arrives, and for the second time they used the big screen. What do they do?-Well, they do exactly what they have donne for the first time, only this time there wasn´t anyone filming the concert. They just did the same thing as on Wembley, and i´m almost 100% shure that they didn´t videotaped the Wembley big screen too!Yeah, it's a very smart argument that they really didn't record the screen's feed. You're right. Could someone contact Gavin Taylor to ask or it doesn't have any sense and he shouldn't know about the recording? |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 25.01.2007 13:34 |
Serry... wrote: Will this circle be broken or are we gonna repeat all that stuff again and again?:-) |
| Wiley 25.01.2007 14:53 |
I read this thread and somehow I got the impression that some people are not aware about this comment Brian made on his Soapbox on August 9th, 2006 (20 years after Knebworth). link Here, if I understand correctly, he says that although the video was fed to the screens nobody recorded this signal. Is this correct? So what are we relying on? That MAYBE DoRo filmed the whole concert? These are two very different things: one is a VIDEO signal which was lost forever because nobody from Queen Co. recorded it and the other is some film footage (different media) recorded by DoRo. I don't think they would record the whole concert unless the band instructed them to do so. As far as Brian May is concerned, Knebworth will NEVER be released on DVD. So, I'd like to know, WHAT are we fans relying on to keep thinking there will be a full Knebworth DVD release? Please, tell me. Wiley |
| AlexRocks 25.01.2007 15:35 |
As I also have said again and again just about every recording artist finds a few certain things over time that they did not know existed. Brian May said Knebworth would not be released because under the circumstances he did not see how something good enough existed to do so IF anything existed in the first place in terms of what was filmed and what wasn't. Like someone else said Led Zeppelin were certainly able to make do with what film they had and were missing on their "D.V.D." release. I have also said that I as well as other fans of Led Zeppelin believe that there is more film to be released than Jimmy Page lets on when he says, "That's all that there is!". So I question if that might be the case here! Whether on purpose or not. That's all! It is quite logical as we are not questioning if cameras were there or even if anything was filmed. We are curious as HELL HOW MUCH was filmed...and does any of it still exist that is good. I think as some have mentioned the possiblity IS there. That's all! |
| Penetration_Guru 25.01.2007 16:14 |
Wiley, they just refuse to accept logic. It's a shame, but clearly there's nothing we can do. They insist on clinging to the possibility... "There were cameras so there must be a recording" "Not all cameras record" "Yes, but they must have recorded it" "No, they'd already recorded 2 shows on the tour and Brian says they didn't" "Yes, but this was Knebworth!!!! And anyway it might have happened without their knowledge" "OK, but it would have come to light by now, especially as they've been actively looking for material in the last few years" "Yes, but maybe it just hasn't yet" ... ... So maybe it was illicitly recorded by someone who was close enough to the band to be able to do so, but disloyal enough to then steal it, then sit on it and not try to profit from it for 20+ years, despite the high-profile detah of Freddie, release of Wembley on DVD etc etc. Cling to "maybe" people.... |
| AlexRocks 25.01.2007 16:46 |
So why the hell did Brian May go looking for it himself? Obviously he didn't defintively know either and supposed the possibility could be there. |
| Adam Baboolal 25.01.2007 21:34 |
AlexRocks wrote: So why the hell did Brian May go looking for it himself? Obviously he didn't defintively know either and supposed the possibility could be there.And then he found out what little there really was... |
| Wiley 26.01.2007 04:12 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Wiley, they just refuse to accept logic. It's a shame, but clearly there's nothing we can do. They insist on clinging to the possibility... Cling to "maybe" people....Yes, I had noticed that, Guru, hehe :). So there is something "officially" recorded by DoRo for a documentary (seen on Magic Years) and maybe there are other clips here and there but nothing that'll guarantee a full DVD release of Knebworth. I just wanted to know if these people actually thought someone had been seating on a professionally-recorded-multiple-camera-anamorphic- 35mm-film of the full concert for over 20 years now (which is laughable) or if we were just talking about several clips here and there that could make a good bonus material in the forthcoming Budapest 86 DVD (Come one, we all know it's going to happen eventually, haha). They wouldn't release other "professionally" recorded gigs like Hammersmith 75/79, Earl's Court or Houston 77 because of minor sound or image quality issues and someone still thinks they are preparing one big surprise with a Knebworth DVD. I just don't see them releasing another Magic Tour DVD in the immediate future (PLEASE don't!) so I hope they can get whatever they need to release a decent version of Hammy 79 ;). Come on, I've just bought the "Who's Better, Who's Best" DVD by The Who and the video quality is far from perfect. Still, it's a good product. Maybe QP doesn't want to accept that the best image quality in a Queen DVD release had nothing to do with them (Montreal 81) and releasing a far from perfect product would be bad for their image. Sometimes I wish they weren't that much of perfectionists :S. Wiley |
| Wiley 26.01.2007 04:16 |
azzadude wrote: how could he eat his pudding if he doesnt eat his meat.That almost sounds like a reference to Pink Floyd's "Another brick in the wall", hehe :). Maybe it was intentional or maybe it's just a common phrase? |
| i-Fred 26.01.2007 04:41 |
Wiley wrote:Pink floyd are trippy... actualyy they are not trippy, its was the we Perceive them that is indeed trippy.azzadude wrote: how could he eat his pudding if he doesnt eat his meat.That almost sounds like a reference to Pink Floyd's "Another brick in the wall", hehe :). Maybe it was intentional or maybe it's just a common phrase? |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 26.01.2007 09:46 |
Wiley wrote: Yes, I had noticed that, Guru, hehe :). So there is something "officially" recorded by DoRo for a documentary (seen on Magic Years) and maybe there are other clips here and there but nothing that'll guarantee a full DVD release of Knebworth. I just wanted to know if these people actually thought someone had been seating on a professionally-recorded-multiple-camera-anamorphic- 35mm-film of the full concert for over 20 years now (which is laughable) or if we were just talking about several clips here and there that could make a good bonus material in the forthcoming Budapest 86 DVD (Come one, we all know it's going to happen eventually, haha). WileyEach speaks about himself's wish, that's it. Because we don't have 100% facts about Knebworth. Of course, there is no footage from each Knebworth camera but the screen feed could still exist. Though PenGuru is rather right - it rather doen't exist. But we still cannot say it 100%, even if Brain said that - he is mistaken sometimes. But I'm sure ALL DoRo footage that was filmed exists in the archives. Of course it's something but when I think about what we lost I wanna cry...... |
| AlexRocks 26.01.2007 10:20 |
Who says that they aren't releasing those 70's films with minor sound or camera problems? That's what I would like to know. And if that is the case who says that they would not release the parts of the concerts that don't have the problems? That's just moronic not to at least do that. Listen to what Gene Simmons said about live recordings. The general public have no idea how most every live recording by anyone that has ever been released proffesionally has had to have editing done to it because there is no such thing as the perfect live concert OR recording. No the point is Adam Baboola is that he had to go and look. There really is no "really how it is" as I can't tell you how much in reality is never definitive and in many times and cases things have been proven to be otherwise. Mere less how many times concert recordings or films HAVE been found by people DECADES later. Again this has happened with Led Zeppelin AND with Queen if I am not mistaken. Didn't they just find a concert from Manheim from the '86 Magic Tour? Let me expand you all's consciousness on reality a little more. Do you all understand that FIVE HUNDRED HOURS of unreleased Beatles material was found in the last year or two??!!! Now granted all of it they said was not neccessarily good or would warrant release but there is TONS of stuff there. Now how in the HELL could that much stuff be out there of the best selling group in the world and yet never be found until all these decades later? If that could happen god knows what the possiblities could be for other recordings as well for other recording artists. ...and another thing...I am SICK and TIRED of people accusing others of trying to understand a situation that no one for sure really knows about as proven by the facts I have presented. These are the people (who accuse others of not "giving up") that never learn or accomplish the really important things in life. So just ignore them. |
| Bobby_brown 26.01.2007 11:06 |
You know, the thing here is: i come from a place where i want to believe they didn´t recorded the big screen feed, but this possibility is as incongruent as hell. As we all know, and Brian stated this over the years, Queen had absolutelly the best team in the world working for them. This was new technology on the Queen live set, so probably they must have hired a team responsible for the filming. In the Wembley concerts we can see the DVD director saying that he used the first night as a guide for the second night. So, in the first night he just did a demo to see how it went. The least that the guys responsible for the big screen could do in the control room of Wembley was to do the same thing. To improve the quality for the second night they should look for the tapes of the first night to see the best cameras in each song. I really don´t understand how it is impossible to forget about this particular thing. Put a tape rolling. Because in this case you know that there was a control room somwhere in the stadium or a van with a guy choosing from all the cameras the best angles for the big screen. Now, this team only worked for them for three nights (Wembley,knebworth) and i can understand that they don´t have it in the archives, but to forget to record the three nights, i mean, guive me a break!-This is amateurish!! I like to think of all the possibilities here ( and they should do the same). Imagine this scenario: They recorded the Wembley concerts and labelled the tapes as Wembley. Now, since they didn´t need that footage (because wembley was professionally filmed), they just re-recorded the Knebworth concert in the Wembley tapes and gave the tapes to QueenProductions. Now, they have the tapes mislabeled, and in those tapes can be the Knebworth concert. Of course, this is almost impossible to happened, but have they thinked about this? Unless they just forget to record the Knebworth concert i think those tapes might exist somwhere ,with a little effort this is easy to trace, but it´s not after 20 years that they go chasing the tapes. Now it´s more dificult but just because they didn´t found the tapes on the archives they think someone forget to videotape the concert?! Look, i don´t know if exists or not but i don´t like to see them doing almost nothing to trace down at least the Television tapes. Ask the TV´s in Europe for some footage and i know everyone will be delighted to help! But if you don´t ask, you get nothing!! Take care P.S- We are indeed running in circles, but it´s fun and sometimes this is the way to get somwhere! |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 26.01.2007 15:41 |
AlexRocks wrote: Let me expand you all's consciousness on reality a little more. Do you all understand that FIVE HUNDRED HOURS of unreleased Beatles material was found in the last year or two??!!! Now granted all of it they said was not neccessarily good or would warrant release but there is TONS of stuff there. Now how in the HELL could that much stuff be out there of the best selling group in the world and yet never be found until all these decades later? If that could happen god knows what the possiblities could be for other recordings as well for other recording artists.Alex, by the way, don't you know what's on those Beatles video tapes? I wish it was studio rehearsals. |
| NTL 26.01.2007 17:47 |
The point I raised earlier about Brian saying footage did exist was true, and I was certainly not mistaken for Milton Keynes. However I do accept that it is a strong possibility that Brian was mistaken when he said this. The thing that I do find strange is the fact he said "Yes we DO have the footage from the video screens", if he was not 100% why didnt he say "we had cameras at Knebworth but Im not sure if it was recorded". As we all now know he is saying that someone forgot to put a tape in the machine or something along those lines. But the way he said it in the quote that I am talking about, is as if they had been looking at the footage and decided it wasnt good enough for release. Brians quote was in reply to someones letter about Knebworth, I remember reading BMs reply and sending an email myself saying that the footage from the screen looked fine and that I would love to see somethig a little more 'raw' with a few bad shots released than a highly edited and heavily produced DVD. I never got a reply. Strangely the letter and reply Brian originally gave (Shortly after Wembley was released) has now vanished from his Soapbox archive ! Maybe he was sick of being asked about it. Another thing sort of linked to this is Hammy '79. Apparently the production of this was due to start immediatly after the release of Wembley but was shelved because although they had the full show on video they could not find the multi-tracks. Shortly after the release of Wembley someone emailed BM about the chance of some 70s DVDs and said that he would love to see Earls Court or Hammy '79 as he was at both shows. BM replied by saying that they QP, were busy looking at the EC tapes as a possible release but unfortunatly he belived the footage from Hammy no longer existed. Now if they could not currently release the show because of non existant multi-tracks, the easiest way to stop people saying "just release it with the stereo mix" is to say "we dont have the footage". So if Brian is getting regular emails about Knebworth and there is no plan to release it why not kill the bird with one stone, which is what he has done. |
| Penetration_Guru 26.01.2007 18:13 |
I did read that all the way through, but just so that we're all clear, what you're basically saying is "conspiracy theory", right? |
| NTL 26.01.2007 18:37 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: I did read that all the way through, but just so that we're all clear, what you're basically saying is "conspiracy theory", right?Yes your right, and as I said maybe Brian was mistaken, but it is quite a coincidence. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 26.01.2007 22:16 |
NTL wrote: The thing that I do find strange is the fact he said "Yes we DO have the footage from the video screens", if he was not 100% why didnt he say "we had cameras at Knebworth but Im not sure if it was recorded". As we all now know he is saying that someone forgot to put a tape in the machine or something along those lines.A pity, we cannot read that OLD Brian's quote about Knebworth. Maybe he meant DoRo footage when he said that? Do you remember he said NAMELY "from the video screens"? |
| john bodega 26.01.2007 22:42 |
Any minute now there'll be a mention of the cameraman on the Grassy Knoll at Knebworth.... |
| Lester Burnham 26.01.2007 23:08 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Any minute now there'll be a mention of the cameraman on the Grassy Knoll at Knebworth....It was me, I was the second cameraman on the grassy knoll. I was back and to the left, focusing on John, Spike, and some of Roger. John S Stuart was in the book depository and got the front view of the stage. |
| john bodega 27.01.2007 22:28 |
It can't have been you, five people have already confessed!! This reminds me of religious crazies who claim to have a fragment of the 'True cross' or whatever. If you took all the pieces of the 'actual' cross that Jesus got nailed to, you could probably build an Ark out of 'em. |
| simps 28.01.2007 00:00 |
link Here's Is This The World We Created from Knebworth. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 28.01.2007 05:57 |
Zebonka12 wrote: It can't have been you, five people have already confessed!! This reminds me of religious crazies who claim to have a fragment of the 'True cross' or whatever. If you took all the pieces of the 'actual' cross that Jesus got nailed to, you could probably build an Ark out of 'em.Funny association, Zebonka :-) |
| AlexRocks 28.01.2007 09:50 |
It's hard to imagine your level of disgust over some fans discussing the possiblity of some concert film still existing to some people who are religous nuts. I am afraid that that shows more about you than those you speak of. |
| john bodega 28.01.2007 10:20 |
AlexRocks wrote: It's hard to imagine your level of disgust over some fans discussing the possiblity of some concert film still existing to some people who are religous nuts. I am afraid that that shows more about you than those you speak of.I find the idea of you taking my comment (on the internet) seriously, entirely laughable. But whatever keeps you going through the night :) |
| Mkls 28.01.2007 15:08 |
link that small bit from ITV Anglia... |
| Bobby_brown 28.01.2007 15:20 |
MikloS wrote: link that small bit from ITV Anglia...Thanks a lot for this. You have very amazing clips ; ) The Tokio one is great too. Take care |
| theCro 28.01.2007 21:34 |
i just cant belive ALL CAMERAS are turned OFF, i can understand one camerman forgot to turn the camera ON, BUT ALL OF THEM? coME ONE this is not true! This cant be happening, 10 cameramans forgot to turn the camera on??? |
| john bodega 28.01.2007 21:37 |
theCro wrote: i just cant belive ALL CAMERAS are turned OFF, i can understand one camerman forgot to turn the camera ON, BUT ALL OF THEM? coME ONE this is not true! This cant be happening, 10 cameramans forgot to turn the camera on???If the cameras had been turned off, the big screen would've been black. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 28.01.2007 23:41 |
Zebonka12 wrote: If the cameras had been turned off, the big screen would've been black.:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 28.01.2007 23:45 |
theCro wrote: i just cant belive ALL CAMERAS are turned OFF, i can understand one camerman forgot to turn the camera ON, BUT ALL OF THEM? coME ONE this is not true! This cant be happening, 10 cameramans forgot to turn the camera on???All was fine with cameras. - We suppose they had not been recorded by a recorder. So, we could loose the image forever... |
| Daveboy35 29.01.2007 11:41 |
It does exist trust me maybe not in the form of LAWS quality or camerawork but in a non-complete form and i believe a few tv stations will have footage from this archived somewhere and have totally forgotten about it, and until they find this we at least have the amateur shot footage to watch if we want to. Also doro clips are there so there's at least some footage let's be grateful there that. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 29.01.2007 13:29 |
DAVID M(AKA BRENDA) wrote: It does exist trust me maybe not in the form of LAWS quality or camerawork but in a non-complete form and i believe a few tv stations will have footage from this archived somewhere and have totally forgotten about it, and until they find this we at least have the amateur shot footage to watch if we want to. Also doro clips are there so there's at least some footage let's be grateful there that.David, I don't think this screen footage (if it exists) is a property of any TV station - it's Queen Production's. |
| Daveboy35 29.01.2007 16:20 |
Seven seas i only think the doro footage would be under the property of queen productions not any other footage filmed by cameramen for example just check this out: link link They are from newcastle gig 1986 and for a tv station report and also including live footage so if this was queen productions property there would be some way of knowing this i'm sure. Imagine this queen are set to play a massive outdoor gig in stevenage and estimated between 150,000 AND 200,000 people in attendance i would be very very suprised if it wasn't covered by some tv companies even for a tv report, capturing a few reels of audience and concert footage. I'm hopeful that there's something out there it's just where it could be. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 29.01.2007 20:26 |
Yes, you are right about TV-footages and DoRo material. It exists in their archives. Here we mainly talk about the tape that, we suppose, could be recorded FROM THE SCREEN. But DoRo & TV-chanel's footage is also something, of course! |
| bigV 30.01.2007 04:06 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote: Yes, you are right about TV-footages and DoRo material. It exists in their archives. Here we mainly talk about the tape that, we suppose, could be recorded FROM THE SCREEN. But DoRo & TV-chanel's footage is also something, of course!Great. Do you want to go to Switzerland and ask the DoRo twins for the footage or should I? V. |
| Serry... 30.01.2007 11:49 |
bigV wrote: Great. Do you want to go to Switzerland and ask the DoRo twins for the footage or should I? V.They're from Austria |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 30.01.2007 13:46 |
I think there're everywhere. In Austria, in Switzerland, in Germany :-) Could they know anything about the screen's video?... |
| john bodega 01.02.2007 08:53 |
"Great. Do you want to go to Switzerland and ask the DoRo twins for the footage or should I?" Isn't that why they invented the telephone? |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 03.02.2007 02:16 |
Friends, the topic ate itself :-) We do nothing about it... :-( |
| AlexRocks 03.02.2007 10:10 |
The topic ate itself! That's funny! That's awesome Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye_II! |
| Bobby_brown 04.02.2007 09:37 |
O.K, lets do some more chating about this: Yeasterday i was watching at the documentary on the Wembley DVD "It´s a beautifull day" and to my amazement there was some never seen footage of the day. So, i really think that the guys from DORO never erased the tapes. They have everything, the day shootings, the band arriving and the band leaving the stage. They´ve even included Freddie walking up on stage (this is missing from the Cameras sections of the concert), and boy did they have cameras recording that! I mean, just look for yourself, they must have about 10 cameras filming the day at wembley, they didn´t look at expenses at all! Now i believe that they haven´t erased the tapes from Knebworth, and if they have that kind of quality as on Wembley, i think they can do a great bonus stuff for the Budapest DVD. Take care P.S- on the other hand, if they recorded the full Queen tour, they could do a great documentary about it. The cities, the press conferences, something like Manowar´s "Hell on earth". Let´s just wait. |
| john bodega 04.02.2007 09:42 |
Well, if it were standard procedure to record the video from every show; then yeah. It really would just be a matter of finding out whose attic the tapes are in. I simply don't think that's the case unfortunately. There wasn't a magical on/off switch that someone forgot about... recording a video feed of any kind would be a bit more involved than that. It'd be possible for Brian to simply not know if it was recorded, and not know where it wound up. But it's even more possible (and likely) that they just didn't tape the thing. Fugger, eh! |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 04.02.2007 10:48 |
Yeah, I agree with Zebonka. Bobby, unfortunately, I think all those 'filming everything' was just only for Wembley - they prepared the material for planned future video release. I love that 'It's A Beautiful Day' documentary too. That's just great. By the way, I'm almost absolutely sure they never RE-recorded tapes (to use the tapes for the second time). |
| Bobby_brown 04.02.2007 14:58 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Well, if it were standard procedure to record the video from every show; then yeah. It really would just be a matter of finding out whose attic the tapes are in. I simply don't think that's the case unfortunately. There wasn't a magical on/off switch that someone forgot about... recording a video feed of any kind would be a bit more involved than that. It'd be possible for Brian to simply not know if it was recorded, and not know where it wound up. But it's even more possible (and likely) that they just didn't tape the thing. Fugger, eh!You´re right, but we´re talking about diferent things here. The big screen feed wich wasn´t recorded --(even though i don´t believe it- i believe that they can´t find it, or the tapes are missing- and i really think they should look for the Wembley tapes (in case they exist)- and see if it was re-recorded in it)-- ...and the DORO tapes. What i say now, is that i trully believe that they´ve Kept the tapes intact after the "Magic Years" release, because now and then you find inedit footage on DORO documentaries. EX: "...Days of our lives" and the video "In My defence". And after i watched the Wembley DVD, i must admit that if they really kept the tapes intact then you have a great bonus DVD worth material. Of course it´s not proper for a main DVD release, but they have the arriving at Knebworth, the band entry on stage, part of the concert (if not all the concert) recorded and the finish of the concert. The major problem is the camera angle for each song, but at least the "One Vision" must be great. DORO looked at no expenses to do the "Magic Years" and with a band like Queen you just don´t erase tapes. That´s my opinion based on what i see surfacing evry now and then. Take care |
| Bobby_brown 04.02.2007 15:03 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote: Yeah, I agree with Zebonka. Bobby, unfortunately, I think all those 'filming everything' was just only for Wembley - they prepared the material for planned future video release.The video was MAgic Years. Don´t forget that the Wembley concert was planned with a different company. I don´t believe they´ve kept the full tour, but at least three major venues i´m shure they´ve kept intact- Wembley, Manheim, Knebworth. And this was everything for the same project, so i don´t see why they have kept Wembley and erased the other venues. For the project they were involved each venue was important, and since DORO wasn´t going to release the Wembley concert i can´t share your point of view. Take care |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 04.02.2007 16:28 |
Yes, there were also DoRo material with all those 'aside' views but they are 'random'. |
| Bobby_brown 05.02.2007 13:41 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote: Yes, there were also DoRo material with all those 'aside' views but they are 'random'.So?!- Even "Random" as it seems, if at least there are two cameras pointed to the stage at the same time, i believe that a couple of songs are worth the release. Take care |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 05.02.2007 18:43 |
You're right, Bobby, it's something. But I'm personaly not satisfied with it - just aside angles and partly material... But I pray they could put it as a bonus to some new DVD. We all wish the screen tapes would exist somewhere. |
| The Real Wizard 26.04.2007 13:51 |
AlexRocks wrote: So I just hope that we frankly are being lied to like Led Zeppelin fans think Jimmy Page is lying how there is not anymore film to be released when the fans know that that is not true...Just thought I'd bring this one back, because Page has been exposed as being even more of a liar, since the (almost) complete final night of Zeppelin at Earls Court '75 (not the famous fourth night) has come out on bootleg DVD in fantastic quality. Any Zeppelin fans should head to The Traders' Den and download the version there with the better audio source synched to the video (with the official tracks cut). Even casual Zeppelin fans will appreciate this truly incredible footage. Zebonka12 wrote: With Knebworth... well you guys have heard it, there's really nothing to be ashamed of with that show. It's pretty much equal or better than Wembley (in parts) only there's no freakin' overdubs.Actually, there are overdubs on Live Magic. I haven't analyzed it to death like Live Killers, but I know they patched up Brian's guitar towards the end of BoRhap. |
| Queenman!! 26.04.2007 14:59 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote: After the news of Mannheim ZDF video tapes and watching lovely Knebworth video bootleg again, I ask myself - is it possible that someone doesn't put wires into some video recorder and record all that we see on the screen to tapes?! OK, OK, I understand I could look very annoying - we have this topic every month I guess. But I just imagine - a lot of technic-men are preparing the stage with all cables, cameras etc... And it is KNEBWORTH PARK with more than 100 000 people. It's a historic gig. And noone put wires and recorded... I can't believe. I even think that some professional recorder was equipped and the concert was recorded (filmed). Some years ago someone from queenzone sent me the photo of archive-shelves with professional video tapes on them titled 'Queen 09-08-86'. And as I remember a collector said that this photo was taken by his friend who worked in archive. I know we look like children: "could be filmed?!", "couldn't be filmed?!" ... But we cannot suppose and dream... :-)))That tapes were the masteraudio tapes. The were used for the Live magic CD and some doro stuff on magic years. |
| goinback 26.04.2007 16:39 |
It would have been easy for someone to route one of the switcher outputs for the screens to a video recorder. The only reason this may have not been done is if they were purposely told not to record it under any circumstances because of worry about bootlegs and copyright violations. Bob Geldof told them not to record Live-Aid, but someone just went ahead and hooked up a recorder to the feed and got it anyway. But that was done more secretly at the MTV transmission stations, rather than at the event where someone who actually cared might have seen it and shut it down. And if someone did record it, I think they would have come forward with the tape by now unfortunately. |
| guild93 26.04.2007 17:51 |
Sir GH wrote: Actually, there are overdubs on Live Magic. I haven't analyzed it to death like Live Killers, but I know they patched up Brian's guitar towards the end of BoRhap.I have a Triple LP of the Westwood One recording of Wembley '86 (used for radio, with Coke ads throughout) and noticed a difference in the guitar solo of Hammer To Fall. Initially I thought maybe it was just the Fri night performance but now I'm thinking it was an overdub! |
| john bodega 27.04.2007 02:41 |
"Actually, there are overdubs on Live Magic. I haven't analyzed it to death like Live Killers, but I know they patched up Brian's guitar towards the end of BoRhap" Well..... belated response, but I was talking about the audience-shot version :) |
| theCro 27.04.2007 21:46 |
I'm pretty much 100% sure the cameras recorded the footage. I just cant belive they didnt record it on the tapes...the mistery is where it went after it was recorded ... maybe someone labeled the tapes at the end as some other concert lol so they dont even look at these tapes :) |
| The Real Wizard 28.04.2007 00:26 |
guild93 wrote: I have a Triple LP of the Westwood One recording of Wembley '86 (used for radio, with Coke ads throughout) and noticed a difference in the guitar solo of Hammer To Fall. Initially I thought maybe it was just the Fri night performance but now I'm thinking it was an overdub!I wouldn't doubt it. I've got a bootleg from the radio broadcast too, and there were plenty of differences... mostly vocally. |
| pittrek 04.11.2007 13:14 |
guild93 wrote:I'm searching for the radio broadcast for years ! Are you willing to trade it ? pittrek@hotmail.comSir GH wrote: Actually, there are overdubs on Live Magic. I haven't analyzed it to death like Live Killers, but I know they patched up Brian's guitar towards the end of BoRhap.I have a Triple LP of the Westwood One recording of Wembley '86 (used for radio, with Coke ads throughout) and noticed a difference in the guitar solo of Hammer To Fall. Initially I thought maybe it was just the Fri night performance but now I'm thinking it was an overdub! |
| guild93 04.11.2007 21:11 |
pittrek wrote: [/QUOTENAMEI'm searching for the radio broadcast for years ! Are you willing to trade it ? pittrek@hotmail.comYes I'll swap it for the complete Knebworth video ;-) |
| pittrek 05.11.2007 07:44 |
guild93 wrote:I can give you it, if the combination of the bootleg and Magic Years synchronised with the audio bootleg and Live Magic is good enough for you :-)pittrek wrote: I'm searching for the radio broadcast for years ! Are you willing to trade it ? pittrek@hotmail.comYes I'll swap it for the complete Knebworth video ;-) |
| BradJarre 09.03.2008 13:21 |
i realy hope that someday someone will find the Mastertapes from knebworth 86. Or atleast the master tapes from the audience. |
| Adam Baboolal 09.03.2008 13:47 |
Yeah, except there aren't any tapes to begin with. Read the entire thread. Adam. |
| BradJarre 09.03.2008 13:56 |
how does the mastertape from the audience look like? |
| Jeroen 10.03.2008 05:21 |
innuendo1990 wrote: how does the mastertape from the audience look like?It's black and has two white wheels inside connected by a large piece of black tape. |
| andreas_mercury 10.03.2008 08:04 |
a full knebworth video exists some shots on the webley DVD arent actually form wembely look closely. |
| Adam Baboolal 10.03.2008 09:03 |
andreas_mercury wrote: a full knebworth video exists some shots on the webley DVD arent actually form wembely look closely.Or you could just tell us which parts you're referring to and we too, can take a look. Adam. |
| Jeroen 10.03.2008 11:41 |
*yawn* Funny to see how topics live in cycles. Someone starts it - then we have the full discussion including a conclusion. After a couple of months the topic is revived by a newby that starts the discussion again from the very first post onwards... Come on guys, this is now 9 pages long - we have to make sure it's 18 before Greg Brooks returns! |
| andreas_mercury 10.03.2008 12:27 |
Adam Baboolal wrote:some shots of the crowd and stadium in the first songs the daylight stuff.andreas_mercury wrote: a full knebworth video exists some shots on the webley DVD arent actually form wembely look closely.Or you could just tell us which parts you're referring to and we too, can take a look. Adam. |
| Adam Baboolal 10.03.2008 15:28 |
Is that all?? Agreed with Jeroen, this topic came to a conclusion a long while ago. Time to let it go. Adam. |
| BradJarre 18.03.2008 17:03 |
Nope. YOu know the cool thing. THere is more and more footage from knebworth showing up every 2 or 3 motnths. maybe they filmed 6 or 7 songs in total but thats good. |
| Penetration_Guru 18.03.2008 18:09 |
Fucking hell, more fantasists. On this page we have "I know the full video exists because there are snippets on the Wembley DVD" How is that proof????????? Andreas_Mercury, you are an idiot. Then we have "every couple of months, more footage leaks out". Where? What more is there now than there was 10 years ago? Innuendo1990, you are also an idiot. |
| Jeroen 19.03.2008 06:06 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Fucking hell, more fantasists. On this page we have "I know the full video exists because there are snippets on the Wembley DVD" How is that proof????????? Andreas_Mercury, you are an idiot. Then we have "every couple of months, more footage leaks out". Where? What more is there now than there was 10 years ago? Innuendo1990, you are also an idiot.Yeah... what he said! ;-) |
| Hitman 19.03.2008 18:53 |
but maybe maybe somewhere.... ;) hihihi road to page 18... |
| We Are The Champions 01.04.2008 14:16 |
I am tired of reading about Knebwoth 86 and any possible release!!! I've f****** tired of it all! There are some idiots, retards, fantasists on this thread all right. Wish this topic would die a death. It will never get released as far as I'm concerned! C'mon I'd rather see a 70's concert footage released any time!!!. All the official releases are 80's shows so Hammy,75,79, Houston '77 would be much better. As I've said enough is enough. |
| Jjeroen 01.04.2008 15:42 |
<marquee>We-Are-The-Champions</marquee> wrote: I am tired of reading about Knebwoth 86 and any possible release!!! I've f****** tired of it all! There are some idiots, retards, fantasists on this thread all right. Wish this topic would die a death. It will never get released as far as I'm concerned! C'mon I'd rather see a 70's concert footage released any time!!!. All the official releases are 80's shows so Hammy,75,79, Houston '77 would be much better. As I've said enough is enough.Dude! If you wanted this topic to die a death... Why the hell did you boost it?? It fell off the page looong ago. |
| Luko255 17.05.2009 10:10 |
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| luthorn 17.05.2009 18:22 |
I have a friend who has a friend and that friend was in the archives and he saw a DVD blue ray with Knebworth 1986 written on it. The tape was placed in a box, and that box had the following written on top "Do Not Release. Conspiracy Theory in Progress" |
| inu-liger 18.05.2009 03:45 |
luthorn wrote: I have a friend who has a friend and that friend was in the archives and he saw a DVD blue ray with Knebworth 1986 written on it. The tape was placed in a box, and that box had the following written on top "Do Not Release. Conspiracy Theory in Progress" ................................funny. NOT. |
| Gaabiizz 11.03.2012 12:17 |
Some years ago someone from queenzone sent me the photo of archive-shelves with professional video tapes on them titled 'Queen 09-08-86'. And as I remember a collector said that this photo was taken by his friend who worked in archive. ? IS PERFECT! |
| john bodega 12.03.2012 00:16 |
Stop bumping old threads you piece of shit. |
| tomchristie22 17.03.2012 20:24 |
NO ITS NEW FOOTAGE COME OUT EVERY MONTH THERE IS FULL KNEBWORTH SHOT IN 3D |