| ARMANDO MARTINEZ 08.05.2005 12:12 |
WELL THIS IS MY FIRST UPLOAD HERE. THE QUALITY OF THIS TRACK IS AVERAGE.I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SHARED THEIR WONDERFUL STUFF!(KEEP YOURSELF ALIVE, THE HERO, REV, TAYLORGAGA,ETC). ENJOY! I THINK THIS TRACK IS NOT ON THE FM SOLO BOX, BUT LET ME KNOW IF IS NECESARY TO DELETE IT! link |
| Fat Lizzy 08.05.2005 12:21 |
This IS Green from the Wreckage and I believe it's only the first verse :P Thanx alot for the THANK YOU messages btw :P We (me an the_hero atleast) really like people like you who take the time to thank us for releasing stuff, although it's almost all mp3 stuff. (Correct me if I'm wrong about the song) |
| ARMANDO MARTINEZ 08.05.2005 12:30 |
NO, THIS IS NOT GREEN. I THINK THIS IS SOME OTHER SONG. CHECK OUT THIS INFO FROM RIEN'S SITE "MERCURY PARADISE": Wreckage make several attempts at "Green", before switching to another song, obviously a Freddie-composed number, which is difficult to identify (but could be "Blag-A-Blues") from its lyrics because the band were interrupted before they reached the chorus. "Whoever we were sharing the flat with came in and complained that it was one o'clock in the morning," remembers Richard Thompson. "So Freddie stopped singing." And there ended the last and certainly most important pre-Queen recording. One well-heeled collector will have the chance to hear the tape for himself when it comes up for auction at Christie's on 6th June. LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK! B.T.W. IF IT'S POSSIBLE SOMEONE COULD UPLOAD MONTREAL 78 AS RAPID-SHARE FILES? THANKS |
| Jjeroen 08.05.2005 12:34 |
Sorry, but this indeed IS one of the attempts at GREEN! |
| Rien 08.05.2005 15:03 |
Well it sure sounds like a Wreckage rehearsal, while it has the same "hand on knees-clapping" as in Green. But the lyrics and melody are different as far as I can hear. It starts with "there's a place I have been and a face I have seen...etc" and that's not in Green. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course. This must be another demo and I might think this sounds better than the Green recording. To Armando Martinez: can you please contact me through my site? On Queenzone I cannot see your e-mail address. |
| Freddie May 08.05.2005 15:33 |
Never heard this before, very interesting indeed :-) |
| ARMANDO MARTINEZ 08.05.2005 16:12 |
Rien: My e-mail is skorpman72@yahoo.com I'm a queen fsn from México. feel free to contact me! A.M. |
| ARMANDO MARTINEZ 08.05.2005 16:15 |
SORRY , I MEAN " A QUEEN FAN FROM MEXICO" HA HA HA!(NOT A QUEEN FSN FROM MEXICO!) |
| Fat Lizzy 08.05.2005 16:22 |
CAPS LOCK SUCK :P BUT THEN AGAIN... I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHICH SONG THIS IS. GOOD LUCK. I MUST SAY... I DO PREFER HIJACK MY HEART DEMO ABOVE GREEN DEMO'S TBH... |
| Mercuryworks 08.05.2005 17:01 |
It infact is Green tAKE 4 To be exact but thank you for uploading it anyways it's rare |
| Serry... 08.05.2005 17:09 |
THANKS! I HOPE THIS IS NOT FROM FREDDIE'S BOX SET! |
| Serry... 08.05.2005 17:11 |
ARMANDO MARTINEZ wrote: SORRY , I MEAN " A QUEEN FAN FROM MEXICO" HA HA HA!(NOT A QUEEN FSN FROM MEXICO!)You may just edit your message if you've mistyped or something like that. There's edit icon near the date in your post. Welcome to QueenZone, by the way! |
| John S Stuart 08.05.2005 17:25 |
Mercuryworks: "...It infact is Green tAKE 4 To be exact..." There is no "Green" Take 4. There never was. There is one long track called "Green" which lasts about 10 minutes. The bits we hear are the bits between conversation. I wish people would stop making things up so that they sound more authoritive than they really are. Wreckage: Unreleased Home Demos, Freddie’s Flat, Barnes, 1969 Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction, Thursday 6th June 1996. Richard Thomson: Lot 153 sold £4,800. Bought by Queen Productions Ltd – John S. Stuart, Record Collector, 11th June 1996. Green (Rehearsals & Versions) ARMANDO MARTINEZ: "NO, THIS IS NOT GREEN... One well-heeled collector will have the chance to hear the tape for himself when it comes up for auction at Christie's on 6th June". Well - actually it is Green (see above), and I also think you are nine years out of date. Queen Productions bought this tape in 1996, and I can not see them putting it up for auction. |
| Mercuryworks 08.05.2005 17:47 |
John S Stuart wrote: Mercuryworks: "...It infact is Green tAKE 4 To be exact..." There is no "Green" Take 4. There never was. There is one long track called "Green" which lasts about 10 minutes. The bits we hear are the bits between conversation. I wish people would stop making things up so that they sound more authoritive than they really are. Wreckage: Unreleased Home Demos, Freddie’s Flat, Barnes, 1969 Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction, Thursday 6th June 1996. Richard Thomson: Lot 153 sold £4,800. Bought by Queen Productions Ltd – John S. Stuart, Record Collector, 11th June 1996. Green (Rehearsals & Versions) ARMANDO MARTINEZ: "NO, THIS IS NOT GREEN... One well-heeled collector will have the chance to hear the tape for himself when it comes up for auction at Christie's on 6th June". Well - actually it is Green (see above), and I also think you are nine years out of date. Queen Productions bought this tape in 1996, and I can not see them putting it up for auction.sorry John wasnt aware of it being a 10 minute take |
| Rien 08.05.2005 18:08 |
Thanks for helping us out, John. But it still sounds a bit different from Green, but if that was 10 minutes it could be the song. Anyway.. I think this demo sounds better than the "Green" we have. |
| Wombat 09.05.2005 04:38 |
excellent quality i wish green from box set would have the same |
| smileexpert 09.05.2005 11:59 |
Can anyone also tell me - was the master for the 1984 Thames Recording from 1967 also included in Richard Thompson's 'Lot 153'- and was this therefore ALSO bought by Queen productions? Thanks in advance, I'm simply wondering if Queen Productions (or related) bought this item. Cheers, |
| John S Stuart 09.05.2005 18:54 |
smileexpert: "...was the master for the 1984 Thames Recording from 1967 also included in Richard Thompson's 'Lot 153'..." 1984: Unreleased Thames Television Studio Demos, 31 March 1967 Recorded Friday 31st March 1967, Thames Television, Broom Lane Studios, Teddington. Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction, Thursday 6th June 1996. Richard Thomson: Lot 151 sold £2,800. Bought by Queen Productions Ltd – John S. Stuart, Record Collector, 11th June 1996. (*Tape speed problems due to end of spool wow on master reel). Hold On I'm Coming - Sam & Dave Knock On Wood - Eddie Floyd No: 50 February 1967 NSU - Cream Fresh Cream 1966 How Can It Be - Birds (UK) Step On Me (Take 1) Step On Me (Take 2) Purple Haze - Jimi Hendrix No: 3 March 1967 Our Love Is Drifting - Paul Butterfield Paul Butterfield Blues Band 1965 Remember - Jimi Hendrix Are You Experienced 1967 /Sweet Wine - Cream Fresh Cream 1966 Get Out Of My Life Woman - Lee Dorsey No: 22 February 1966 /Satisfaction - Rolling Stones No: 1 August 1965 *My Girl - Otis Reading No: 11 November 1965 |
| wstüssyb 09.05.2005 19:14 |
Recorded Friday 31st March 1967, Thames Television, Broom Lane Studios, Teddington How different do those songs sound John? Have you heard them? you say "Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction, Thursday 6th June 1996. Richard Thomson: Lot 151 sold £2,800. Bought by Queen Productions Ltd – John S. Stuart, Record Collector, 11th June 1996." Does that mean you bought them? or are you reporting that Queen LTD bought them? If so, why is Queen LTD buying other artist music? or is some Queen Music mixed in the lot? what do these companines do with other artist music when they buy them in these so called auction lots? destory, save or send this back to whom ever made it? Sorry so many question's, just something I'd like to know. |
| John S Stuart 09.05.2005 19:25 |
wstüssyb: "How different do those songs sound John... are you reporting that Queen LTD bought them... why is Queen LTD buying other artist music?" There are no major variations from the original versions - they are cover versions after all. The only thing which would help these covers stand out from the crowd are Brian's unique red special guitar solos. I did not purchase, I was reporting that Queen Productions bought the master reel. The reason that they were bought by QP was to keep the reel out of the public domain. They are after all, a record of the music of Brian May, and I guess he wants to keep all copyright controls over his material. |
| Wilki Amieva 09.05.2005 23:52 |
Big John, this time I have to disagree with you (unless you have some additional information which I do not know, which might very well be the case). :-( From the letter which Freddie wrote to his friend Celine Daley on 1969.10.26: "[...] The practice was really great. Richard collapsed half way through and I've really gone and lost my voice (no kidding). It hurts just to breathe. Hope I'm o.k. for this Friday 'cause I'm going to out-ponce everyone in sight (it shall be easy). [...] We've written a few new numbers [...] (1) Green 2) Without You (3) Blag-a-blues (4) Cancer on my Mind (originally called Priestess) [...]" Being that one a monster session from what we can call a new band, I believe that they must have rehearsed almost their entire repertory. And I guess they must have been recording and hearing and re-recording themselves a lot of that time. Now from the same Record Collector #199 (and I know it is not the Bible, see below): "[...] The excellent quality recording survives on a 5'' spool, and runs for just over 10 minutes. As Freddie revealed in his letter, the session was an extended one. [...] Wreckage make several attempts at 'Green' before switching to another song, obviously a Freddie-composed number, which is difficult to identify (but could be "Blag-A-Blues") from its lyrics because the band were interrupted before they reached the chorus. [...]" Now my two cents ...from my own ears: The tape itself contains various takes (and that is a fact) of two distinctive themes. One is certainly Green as confirmed by its lyrics. The other might be a different part of Green (as you suggest), but it might also be another song. Firstly, the music is very different in rhythm and tonality (but that approach to ONE SONG still suits Freddie), but also the lyrics do seem completely unrelated. Why Blag-A-Blues, then? Well, Richard Thompson himself suggested that option (he seemed to remember the chords of some WRECKAGE songs due to their strange progressions, but not their melodies). ...And there you have it! ;-) |
| John S Stuart 10.05.2005 04:30 |
Wilki: "Being that one a monster session from what we can call a new band, I believe that they must have rehearsed almost their entire repertory. And I guess they must have been recording and hearing and re-recording themselves a lot of that time". First - the tape only lasts 10 minutes in length. It deals with one song "Green" which was meant to be split into three areas (a bit like "Bo Rhap"), but I accept may sound like three different songs. I know this first of a number of reasons... I was the one who discovered the tape, and according to Mike Bersin, "the track was too poncy to be considered real blues. Even then Freddie liked the Beatles idea of "A Day In The Life", and snapping two or three songs into one big opus". I also wrote that "Record Collector" article, but, my features editor, Andy Davis decided to pencil in some of his own ideas. In his mind, (I guess) making it out to be two songs rather than one, made the tape more desirable, and thus a bit more exotic to write about. (Thus increasing magazine sales). On the tape itself, there is an "instrumental" section which the band discuss as a "middle eight", demonstrating that it is indeed meant to be the same song. In the book "Queen: The Early Years", the lyrics to the track are printed. I think the printed lyrics also match up with what is on the tape. Finally, if you have access to the complete tape, you can actually edit the three parts to run in the correct order. After you have done that, you will see that there is a flow and logic in both lyrics and music. Finally, although your letter may be correct, it pre-supposes that all the rehearsals were taped on one night. I personally do not think this to be the case - as all those involved with bands would testify. I guess we are talking about the same thing, but your view is that the tape is made up from different songs, and me, I view the tape as different bits of the same song. Perhaps I am an old romantic, but for me, I am with Mike Bersin, that is Freddie was much more than a standard blues singer, that he would (in Bersin's view) change key without reason, and pull songs into different tangental areas. Now, it may well be that you are correct, and that each fragment represents a new track, however, I view "Green" as an early example of "Bo Rhap" style writing, and that for me is almost exciting as the music itself. |
| Serry... 10.05.2005 06:07 |
wstüssyb wrote: Does that mean you bought them?John wrote (maybe still writes, I don't know) some articles for RC. I remember one of his articles about Bo Rhap releases in one of RC magazines (in 1993, as I remember). Good old RC... |
| Wombat 10.05.2005 12:51 |
i have copy of this tape i bought it for 500 quids |
| John S Stuart 10.05.2005 14:46 |
Wombat: "i have copy of this tape i bought it for 500 quids" So how do you feel about this link? link |
| Fat Lizzy 10.05.2005 16:34 |
Let me get in my chair... I fell out because of all the laughing... HA... HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA! Sorry for you but hey... You'll get over it (don't know if I get over this lauging). Pfff... Ghehehe... |
| theCro 10.05.2005 16:58 |
the link is broken, can you upload it somewhere else and post link please? |
| Fat Lizzy 10.05.2005 17:29 |
theCro wrote: the link is broken, can you upload it somewhere else and post link please?Link? This one? link If you mean that one... It works perfect... |
| . 07.11.2013 10:42 |
For the serious collector, you can now even buy the property where the recordings were made! link |
| princetom 07.11.2013 17:05 |
any chance to re-up that again ? i seem to have missed it... thanks a lot, dudes !!!! |
| . 08.11.2013 07:26 |
^ I'm not completely sure, but it may be take #2 from here: Wreckage - Green Rehearsal (Take #1).mp3 Wreckage - Green Rehearsal (Take #2).mp3 Wreckage - Green Rehearsal (Take #3).mp3 link (WINRAR 5 required to unpack) |
| . 09.11.2013 12:53 |
If you add those three files together they come to just over 11 minutes. I'm a bit confused as this thread seems to contradict what's being said on this one. link Then there is this recording, which is about 5 minutes in length, so where does that fit in? link |
