| doremi 29.03.2005 14:49 |
Richard---All Queen Zoners,-- Please I want to let you know that this is not a repeat about my topic of Brian's "Huge Revelation". I want you queenzoners to continue to discuss Brian's comment and your -- --other thoughts about what he said on THAT topic. This is to specifically discuss and address Paul Prenter. Here's more insight into this jackass. Here's an excerpt from "Mercury And Me" Jim Hutton's Book, how Paul literally betrayed Freddie's illness to the public and to the tabloids...for money. After you read this, I want to discuss WHY on earth Freddie befriended and employed this idiot for 9 years from 1977-1986 as Freddie's Personal Manager. Excerpt Below as told by Jim Hutton: "On May 4, Freddie was devastated by another story about him in the Sun. And so was I. His old friend, Paul Prenter had stitched him up. Aids Kills Freddie's Two Lovers, it declared, and the story was run across three pages. Tony Bastin, from Brighton, and John Murphy, an airline steward, had died from the disease in 1986. And Prenter claimed that Freddie had called him late one night and poured out his fears about Aids. The feature also named me as his lover. My immediate thoughts were of what my family back home in Ireland would make of it. I was due back for a visit, and if word was out that I was the lover of someone so famous they would certainly be disappointed to hear it third-hand from the press. It was something I'd have preferred to tell them in my own time. We later learned that Prenter had been paid about £32,000 by the paper for his story. Freddie never spoke to him again. For the next few days there was more in the Sun, and at each episode of Prenter's story Freddie became angrier. Prenter sold the paper several photographs of Freddie with various lovers and these were thrown over two pages under the heading All The Queen's Men. A few times after the Sun sell-out, Prenter rang Garden Lodge, but Freddie wouldn't speak to him. Prenter tried to excuse his appalling behaviour by saying that the press had been hounding him for so many weeks he'd finally cracked under the pressure. Freddie didn't want to know Prenter's excuses; he felt unforgivably let down. ---The saddest thing about the Prenter episode was that it crushed Freddie's ability to trust others, except for a select few. He made no new friends after that.--- I often felt sorry for Freddie. For all he had - the money and the success - he couldn't walk down a street or go shopping without being stared at, a pet hate of his. Feeling bruised by Prenter and the Sun., Freddie decided that he needed to get well away from them both and we flew to Ibiza for a weeks holiday." |
| *3*Playful as a pussycat 29.03.2005 16:05 |
omg! poor Freddie! *scoffs* that fool! how dare he do that to Freddie! how could he??? it's just sick, twisted and wrong! is he still alive, 'cause if he is, im gunna kill that little bastard! |
| doremi 29.03.2005 16:14 |
He died in 1991 I think right before Freddie. |
| freddie4ever92 29.03.2005 16:28 |
I can't believe he actually tried to contact Freddie afterwards and give him excuses, like the press were hounding him, pfffft, the press were probably hounding Jim, Mary and Peter (Freestone) but they didn't go running off selling stories to the press did they ? NO because they were real friends to Freddie. Such an asshole. V. right Arlene devils spawn. Couldn't think of a better word myself. |
| supernova190188 29.03.2005 16:44 |
wasn't this the same man that told Freddie he had been mugged and lost £2,000, so Freddie out of his kindness gave him the money he had supposedly lost, but had just made the story up? so he was conning freddie out of £2,000 |
| XcessQueen 29.03.2005 17:21 |
My suggestion is - let's not mention Paul Prenter again, because he's not worthy to be "the star" of Queen's forum. |
| dragonzflame 30.03.2005 04:49 |
He got what he deserved. Anyway, who's lower? Prenter for selling the story or the Sun for buying it? |
| supernova190188 30.03.2005 07:03 |
Prenter |
| King_of_Queens 30.03.2005 07:36 |
In which year those articles in the Sun were published?? |
| supernova190188 30.03.2005 07:40 |
about 88-89 |
| Benn 30.03.2005 11:10 |
Bear in mind that Jim is telling this from "his" side of the fence and that Paul was a *LONG TIME* lover of Freddie's before Jim was ever on the scene. 1 - We don't know what Freddie was like to deal with. Especially in that situation and so intimately. For al we know, Freddie may have been a complete pain in the arse (no pun intended) and treated Paul extremely badly in terms of infideity. Perhaps that's the reason Paul ended up spilling the beans. 2 - Jim may have believed that Freddie didn't ever really get over the break up with Paul. 3 - Freddie may have used his relationship with Paul as a bargaining tool in arguements with Jim - ie "Paul didn't have a go at me like that" etc etc. Don't be so quick to have a go at people that have said things about Freddie that you don't like, just because he's "your favourite". I know all too well that people you hold as heroes have sides to them that you have absolutely no idea about and, when you do find out about them, it changes your perception of your hero for ever. |
| King_of_Queens 30.03.2005 12:18 |
Right on Benn... And that's why I would rather not know... :) |
| doremi 30.03.2005 12:37 |
Benn wrote: Bear in mind that Jim is telling this from "his" side of the fence and that Paul was a *LONG TIME* lover of Freddie's before Jim was ever on the scene.I knew Paul was Freddie's Personal Manager from 1977-1986 and that was ALL. Just trying to find out more about this guy. Might also explain Paul telling all to the tabloids if Paul felt he was the "spurned" lover. I never heard Paul was also Freddie's lover. Are you certain? Where did you hear or read that? |
| bigc 30.03.2005 12:52 |
still, he's going a bit far even if he was a spurned lover! its no defence |
| doremi 30.03.2005 13:17 |
bigc wrote: still, he's going a bit far even if he was a spurned lover! its no defenceOf course it's no defense. In fact it's totally unacceptable and unforgivable behavior, as well as cruel and ignorant behavior. I was just trying to find an explanation (even if it is a stupid one) for Paul's idiotic acts. But again I had only heard that Paul was a business employee..the Personal Manager of Fred's, so I was wondering how anyone heard that Paul was Freddie's lover. |
| brENsKi 30.03.2005 16:21 |
dragonzflame wrote: He got what he deserved.i can't believe ANYONE would make such an extremely bizarre, snidey, offensive and bitter comment as that!!!! ....and i would hate to see what way you think people should die for say - burglarly or car theft - because they are bigger crimes than what this sad creature committed. how can ANYONE deserve to die in this manner? as this is a queen forum, the whole AIDs thing might reasonably expect people (in QZ) to show a little understanding and tolerance - you have made one very sick comment wash your mouth out with soap and water |
| Serry... 30.03.2005 16:42 |
It was their private affair. |
| geeksandgeeks 30.03.2005 18:04 |
I'm going to quote this song that I heard on the radio this morning: "Those who can be trusted can change their minds." Everyone and everything can be bought if the buyer is willing to pay. Everyone has a price, and it looks like Paul Prenter's was 32,000 quid - an embarrassingly low one. Yes, he was a prick, but I have to feel a bit for the guy. Anyone can make a mistake - and he made a large number of them. Aside from everything else, he died of AIDS a few months before Freddie did. I'm not going to speculate that one of them gave it to the other. I don't need to. It's already been done. |
| deleted user 30.03.2005 19:20 |
I think it is a pretty extreme for you to refer to Peter as the "Spawn of Satan." You do not have all of the facts of this story (and never will), so why be so extreme with your insults towards a deceased man? |
| *3*Playful as a pussycat 31.03.2005 13:33 |
arlene wrote: He died in 1991 I think right before Freddie.damn...*puts away plans for his desmise* ^.^ |
| *3*Playful as a pussycat 31.03.2005 13:36 |
Playful as a pussycat wrote:eh...I'm only joking...it is indeed sad that he also died of AIDs. poor guy...still, he had no reason to do that to Freddiearlene wrote: He died in 1991 I think right before Freddie.damn...*puts away plans for his desmise* ^.^ |
| freddie4ever92 31.03.2005 14:43 |
I aggree it's a shame he died especially of such a horrible disease such as AID's, no one should have to suffer that but all the details or not he did a pretty nasty thing to Freddie, and it must have hurt him a lot considering he was one of his friends and he had trusted him, but, everyone to their own I suppose. |
| brENsKi 31.03.2005 14:47 |
freddie4ever92 wrote: I aggree it's a shame he died especially of such a horrible disease such as AID's, no one should have to suffer that but all the details or not he did a pretty nasty thing to Freddie, and it must have hurt him a lot considering he was one of his friends and he had trusted him, but, everyone to their own I suppose.people do these things everyday - people will cross and double cross everyone of us in our lives - it's a fact of life - it doesn't make it nasty (or any nastier because it was our deity - FM) it just happens to be one of the flaws of human nature. everyone of us is capable of moments of weakness - esp where money is involved - and although 32k doesn't sound much - who knows how desperate he was |
| geeksandgeeks 31.03.2005 18:37 |
o_O Jesus Christ, people, not to sound like a killjoy here but this isn't exactly the kind of thing you joke about. |
| deleted user 31.03.2005 18:49 |
'Scuse me, Mandy, but do you think you could be a little conscious of your language? I don't mean to nitpick, but I find your choice of words pretty offensive. (Probably only because I've seen you do this more than once and before now, I have kept my mouth shut about it.) |
| The Real Wizard 31.03.2005 22:33 |
<font color=purple>Miss James wrote: 'Scuse me, Mandy, but do you think you could be a little conscious of your language? I don't mean to nitpick, but I find your choice of words pretty offensive. (Probably only because I've seen you do this more than once and before now, I have kept my mouth shut about it.)It's the 21st century, and the majority of westerners don't believe in "don't use the lord's name in vain" anymore. |
| deleted user 01.04.2005 09:21 |
Did I ask you? Nope. I asked Mandy, politely, to maybe try to be aware that it offends other people. That is all. |
| brENsKi 01.04.2005 12:11 |
what about athiests? |
| geeksandgeeks 01.04.2005 15:46 |
<font color=purple>Miss James wrote: Did I ask you? Nope. I asked Mandy, politely, to maybe try to be aware that it offends other people. That is all.Yes, you asked very politely, and I thank you for that, and I'm trying to get better about it, but I still often say it out of habit. Not meaning to offend, it's just the way I talk. Matter of fact, I use it most often when someone has recently offended me - as in, some of the venom-spitting that's going on in here. |
| doremi 01.04.2005 15:51 |
geeksandgeeks wrote:For the record, I'm Jewish...and I hear peaople yell Moses too! And I am VERY sensitive...but that does NOT bother me...it's just a saying.<font color=purple>Miss James wrote: Did I ask you? Nope. I asked Mandy, politely, to maybe try to be aware that it offends other people. That is all.Yes, you asked very politely, and I thank you for that, and I'm trying to get better about it, but I still often say it out of habit. Not meaning to offend, it's just the way I talk. Matter of fact, I use it most often when someone has recently offended me - as in, some of the venom-spitting that's going on in here. |
| deleted user 01.04.2005 22:29 |
"Yes, you asked very politely, and I thank you for that, and I'm trying to get better about it, but I still often say it out of habit. Not meaning to offend, it's just the way I talk. Matter of fact, I use it most often when someone has recently offended me - as in, some of the venom-spitting that's going on in here." - Thank you for understanding my feelings, Mandy. I can understand what you are saying, as we all have habits. If I have by any chance offended you in my previous post, I apologize for any offence as well. |
| supernova190188 02.04.2005 08:28 |
<font color=purple>Miss James wrote: I think it is a pretty extreme for you to refer to Peter as the "Spawn of Satan." You do not have all of the facts of this story (and never will), so why be so extreme with your insults towards a deceased man?Because he is deceased doesn't mean you can't say anything about him. for example Hitler is dead , but people do not stop talking about how evil he was because he is dead |
| deleted user 02.04.2005 08:45 |
More so, I was asking why waste your time on insulting a dead man, who you know very little about. I also think the comparison you're making of Paul Prenter and Hitler is terribly extreme. But I guess whoever wronged Freddie in their lifetime ranks with other people who were responsible for oppressing and killing millions of innocent people, right? |
| geeksandgeeks 05.04.2005 11:42 |
<font color=purple>Miss James wrote: More so, I was asking why waste your time on insulting a dead man, who you know very little about. I also think the comparison you're making of Paul Prenter and Hitler is terribly extreme. But I guess whoever wronged Freddie in their lifetime ranks with other people who were responsible for oppressing and killing millions of innocent people, right?Careful. You wouldn't believe the number of people who will probably try to make arguments for why this is true. |
| deleted user 05.04.2005 14:53 |
Yeah, but I've got my sanity to back me up. ;^) |
| QUEENFANLos Angeles 06.04.2005 03:18 |
speaking of JIM is he dead yet if not how was he able to live so long with the disease?.. or does he have it?..and what the hell is he up to these days? still making $$ from Freddies death? |
| Mr. Britt 08.06.2005 01:11 |
Paul Prenter was NEVER Freddie's lover. Peter Freestone said so! |
| doremi 08.06.2005 10:42 |
pussy_control wrote: Paul Prenter was NEVER Freddie's lover. Peter Freestone said so!I believe that Jim Hutton in his book "Mercury & Me" said that Prenter was in fact & old friend of Freddie's, which is in the excerpt from my first post. But various press and interviews I have read said Prenter was Freddie's lover as well. Don't know for certain. |
| Lord Blackadder 09.06.2005 05:05 |
QUEENFANLos Angeles wrote: speaking of JIM is he dead yet if not how was he able to live so long with the disease?.. or does he have it?..and what the hell is he up to these days? still making $$ from Freddies death?I think he has HIV but not AIDS. Or maybe I made that up I can't remember. He aint dead as far as I know. And he doesn't make money from Freddie's death. They guy loved Freddie, Freddie loved him. |
| dragonzflame 09.06.2005 19:21 |
<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote:Oh...I can see why that sounded bad. However, you'll notice I never actually said anything about AIDS - I don't honestly think anyone deserves to die in that sort of way. What I actually meant was that he deserved to be spurned and hated by Freddie but I can see how it didn't come out like that.dragonzflame wrote: He got what he deserved.i can't believe ANYONE would make such an extremely bizarre, snidey, offensive and bitter comment as that!!!! ....and i would hate to see what way you think people should die for say - burglarly or car theft - because they are bigger crimes than what this sad creature committed. how can ANYONE deserve to die in this manner? as this is a queen forum, the whole AIDs thing might reasonably expect people (in QZ) to show a little understanding and tolerance - you have made one very sick comment wash your mouth out with soap and water Classy post btw. |
| kdj2hot 09.06.2005 22:02 |
A lot of ppl on here speak out of their arse a lot, I dont think Paul and Freddie were lovers is a proven fact. There;s evidence against it. Here's a quote disputing that fact: "Paul died of AIDS in 1991 in his native Dublin, by which time I hadn’t been in touch with him for a number of years. I did read somewhere on the internet an article which insinuated that Freddie could have caught AIDS from Paul, which is frankly ridiculous, since their relationship was never anything more than a business and social one. " Here's the link from that "source" lol link |
| MIOBijou 17.10.2012 05:22 |
I don't care whether that low life boneless idiot (no need to give him the privilege of naming him) was treated good or bad, come on EVEN IF he lived a nightmare (which I doubt since life proved that Freddie took care of those he loved really well) you just don't do that. Come on how many of us have been hurt, yet NORMAL people don't go and do that if not for the love you feel, if not for the friendship you shared, but at least for your own integrity. Do I think it's bad that someone said he deserved to die, not sure, being politically correct is not always the right way. Would it have been better to say: What goes around comes around? Definitely! Furthermore, if Freddie was such a nightmare why didn't he walk instead of sticking around? Now, no need to know both sides of this story let's look at the facts. - He was Freddie's assistant/friend - He betrayed Freddie - Made money out of humiliating him - tried to contact Freddie after (now if it's true that this was the action of someone that was treated like S_ _ T then why calling back? to get more info to sell? It may be wrong and not fair to say he deserved to die, but life ain't fair, everyone has a right to have some privacy and trust people you love and that monster's action changed Freddie's life. Now you go take your high road of saying that the idiot didn't deserve to end the way he did, take that to his family and to those who love him, go and tell them to their face. I never wish badness on anyone, but I do believe in Karma, we are no1 to judge, that's God's role but cannot blame those who love this amazing man for feeling angry that the gutless action of one hurt Freddie. |
| cmsdrums 17.10.2012 12:26 |
Never mind all that, I think the worst thing about Pretner's involvement is the way he tried to work his way into the band, influencing Freddie's attitude to the band and its music and his role in it and his relationship with the others. Sad to say, but Freddie was seemingly too taken with Pretner's company to stop and separate their private or business relationship from band issues which should have been down to the band and Jim Beach. Freddie didn't seem to want to ditch him, and this apparently caused a lot of friction with the others, culminating in Hot Space! |
| Wiley 18.10.2012 10:28 |
So, is Paul Prenter Queen's Yoko Ono or something? Didn't know much about this guy and his influence until the DOOL documentary. Apparently he hated guitarist! hehe :) |
| vadenuez 18.10.2012 15:30 |
For one second I thought Arlene was back! |
| Wiley 18.10.2012 22:48 |
By the way, I love it when 7 year old topics get brought back to life, haha :). For instance, the famous "Brian's curse" one. |
| Sebastian 18.10.2012 23:26 |
It is obviously immoral to do that, etc., etc., but it's not as if he killed or raped anyone anyway, so devil's spawn is uncalled for, actually. Brian cheated on his wife, does it make him a bad person? |
| john bodega 20.10.2012 12:07 |
No. It makes him badass. |
| Blathnaid prenter 09.11.2014 08:08 |
I am really hurt by this article . I find some of the comments utterly heartless . (You know who you are !) To say comments like I hope he's dead and I'll kill him if he isn't ! Wow ! I don't think any of you know the real story so to pass comment like that -especially such hurtful Comments -is simply "inhumane" . Yes Paul Prenter , my godfather ,is dead . He also died of Aids (as Freddy did) . That is a death I wouldn't wish on anyone - for them or their loved ones! Please be careful what you say because you don't know who you could be hurting . It's very easy to sit behind a screen and pass judgement on others so be wary . Paul was somebody's son - brother - uncle- godfather . |
| Marknow 09.11.2014 09:41 |
Blathnaid prenter wrote: Paul was somebody's son - brother - uncle- godfather . So was Hitler. No offense to you but you were a child when all this happened and you were hardly kept up to date about what really happened at the time, I would read up on Paul if I were you, he was not a nice person. |
| Pingfah 10.11.2014 05:29 |
She was probably a child when this thread was started, since those comments were made almost 10 years ago! Of course, nobody deserves such a horrible death, not Freddie, and not Paul either, regardless of what he did to Freddie. |
| Costa86 10.11.2014 05:47 |
A lot of the stuff written online about people can be hurtful to those who have some personal connection with the person who is written about. Paul Prenter was a person who cast himself into the limelight by (a) knowing Freddie and (b) selling garbage to the tabloids. He made himself infamous in Queen circles, and thus it is normal that he is talked about. Had he been just another of Freddie's not famous friends, then I agree that it would not be appropriate to discuss him, as he would have been an entirely private individual. But he brought the attention on himself. As to how much of what is said of Prenter is true, none of us really know, as I'm sure none of us where there. Both Brian and Roger have mentioned him in passing, and both don't have a good opinion of him. I think that says enough. Maybe we shouldn't speculate further. |
| The Real Wizard 11.11.2014 00:46 |
Costa86 wrote: As to how much of what is said of Prenter is true, none of us really know, as I'm sure none of us where there.Incorrect, sir. On this forum there are many regular posters who have worked with Queen or its members, in the past and present. They just maintain a sense of anonymity. There is a lot of depth behind these user names and avatars. There are definitely people here who encountered Prenter and would be the first to tell you from first hand accounts that he's the single worst thing that ever happened to the band. |
| Costa86 11.11.2014 07:43 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I stand corrected. Knew there were some people here with some real life connections to Queen, but wasn't quite sure that anyone actually met Prenter.Costa86 wrote: As to how much of what is said of Prenter is true, none of us really know, as I'm sure none of us where there.Incorrect, sir. On this forum there are many regular posters who have worked with Queen or its members, in the past and present. They just maintain a sense of anonymity. There is a lot of depth behind these user names and avatars. There are definitely people here who encountered Prenter and would be the first to tell you from first hand accounts that he's the single worst thing that ever happened to the band. This just solidifies what Jim etc. have written. |
| Stoner 24.07.2015 15:16 |
Was Prenter a black man? |
| Fireplace 24.07.2015 19:40 |
Stoner wrote: Was Prenter a black man?No, he was kind of blue/purplish. |
| matt z 25.07.2015 05:07 |
...a smurff... he just HAD to be colored to cause so much trouble. The rascally bastard! *(clenches fist) |
| Day dop 24.10.2018 21:30 |
This article uses this thread as an example of what they're talking about... link |
| MisterCosmicc 25.10.2018 03:53 |
Paul would always tell men he met that he wanted to “make babies” with them. |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 25.10.2018 08:19 |
About Hot Space, Mack said Prenter's influence was not so strong as May and Roger said. |
| Hertsteve1 27.10.2018 14:49 |
Having watched the BR movie and reading contradictory forum posts, I'm not entirely clear on whether Paul Prenter sold the Freddie expose before or after Freddie fired him as illustrated in the film. Also, did Paul discuss it on TV as indicated in the film as well as selling the story in the Sun? |
| c.jory 27.10.2018 22:48 |
Hertsteve1 wrote: Having watched the BR movie and reading contradictory forum posts, I'm not entirely clear on whether Paul Prenter sold the Freddie expose before or after Freddie fired him as illustrated in the film. Also, did Paul discuss it on TV as indicated in the film as well as selling the story in the Sun?The expose was 1987, and Paul wasn't really on TV. I think they did it like that because in a film, you have to show it happening, and its more interesting than having Freddie read it in a newspaper. |