| John S Stuart 10.03.2005 19:51 |
11 March 2005 - 00:50 (UK) OK - you read it here first. No questions taken - no answers given, just start saving, and leave your comments below. The "boxsets" have been cancelled - because they are in NO one's interests. At best, a boxset (of any artist) could only dedicate a few tracks from each album period onto a single CD - therefore a 4xCD (or 6xCD) anthology would not be the favoured method to reflect a back catalogue of 15 or so studio albums. From the marketing point of view - only a few elite collectors could realistically afford the complete mammoth collection - which would inavariably retail at hundreds of pounds. This would obviously exclude thousands of the bands younger, poorer and "general interest" fans. Invariably, this would also lead to a huge increase in unofficial downloads - so what would be the profit margin on a "few" collection sales? Marketing wise - a disc by disc "rolling" collection makes much more financial sense. Cheaper and easier to mass-produce and huge volume sales by comparison. From the fans point of view - a dedicated remastered "Night At The Opera" set, would contain more "...Opera" demos/out-takes etc, than an anthology disc ever could. (Also a completist's dream). Each disc would be "pocket-money" affordable - so direct sales would be massive. Furthermore, each new disc would have a longer (if not indefinite) shelf-life. Over an 18 - 24 month period, (as suggested by the Hollywood roll-on - roll-off model) the complete back catalogue will have been re-released. This also means that the consumer does not need to purchase their least favourite discs, and concentrate on the CD's they would actually like to add to their collection. For those who CHOOSE to purchase all the discs - an affordable "box and catalogue" will be made available as an extra purchase. So sense all round really. The first release WILL be some time THIS year - "A Night At The Opera" 30th Anniversary special edition (heralded to a great fanfare) - possibly followed by "A Day At The Races". Meeeeooowwwwwwww!!! That's another cat escaped from the bag! John S. Stuart |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 10.03.2005 19:56 |
That sounds like an amazing idea! And it seems like they'll be more accessible than the box sets because people won't have to purchase material from albums they're not completely interested in. More profitable, too, because of all us completists that'll buy every single release. |
| Mr Mercury 10.03.2005 20:14 |
What I'm still surprised is how come the people behind the "Classic Albums" series havent made or approached Queen, with regard to ANATO. (For people who dont know, the Classic Albums series is similar in style to that of the Bo Rhap section on GVH 1 Disc 2, but obviously the whole album is covered rather than just one song). I think that this would be a welcome addition to any form of box sets. |
| Lester Burnham 10.03.2005 20:26 |
Good grief, it's going to be a fucking expensive few months. Oh well, I'm not complaining - it's just time to work overtime now! Bring it on, QP, we're ready! |
| flash00. 10.03.2005 20:27 |
does this mean every album released will chart in the albums chart? if so.... maybe that also could be a major factor, we all know queen like to set records lol, but its a cool idea, i was expecting something like the freddie box-set which is absolutly amazing!!! i love all the glossy pics etc,, |
| Daburcor? 10.03.2005 20:53 |
Hmmm... Sounds good to me. BUT the remasters would have to be all new (NOT the 2001 remasters) and BETTER than any we have had previously on CD. Then, I really wouldn't mind spending the money buying the entire catalogue... Again. |
| newcastle 86! 16483 10.03.2005 20:54 |
good call john s stuart, it is indeed a good idea to pick em off one by one, adding the unusual to the set |
| Daburcor? 10.03.2005 20:59 |
By the way John, If this is true about the boxset, How did you get this info? Now, I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious. |
| YourValentine 10.03.2005 21:07 |
That's just fantastic. Hopefully JSS (the other one) does not come up with the idea that stereo is so much better with only one channel :) |
| wstüssyb 11.03.2005 00:00 |
ooooooooooo |
| wstüssyb 11.03.2005 00:01 |
ooooooooooo |
| Daburcor? 11.03.2005 00:50 |
Excited William? |
| Benn 11.03.2005 04:32 |
Absolutely a great idea. |
| FriedChicken 11.03.2005 04:47 |
GODDAMMIT! |
| DragonOnMyBack 11.03.2005 05:08 |
Has anybody seen the Manic Street Preachers anniversay reissue of their Holy Bible Album. They issued a 3 disc set. The original UK album/The US version of the album/ plus what I think was an excellent idea a DVD with related video clips. Ie. vids,TV performances,live clips of tracks on the album. An still kept the price down to just above a normal album. It would be excellent if a DVD was included for each Queen album. I.e. Disc 1 : CD - Remastered version of original album Disc 2 : CD - Demos/Outakes/unreleased tracks etc Disc 3 : DVD - Interviews/TV appear./rare clips etc related to the album. Not the vids/concerts that we can get on the already released/future DVDs. Just my thoughts. The Freddie Mercury box/book set was excellent and the DVDs added to that. It would also be nice to be able to buy a nice box with booklet etc to keep them all together. Its going to be an expensive time for Queen Fans over this/next year but really looking forward to it all. |
| Whisperer 11.03.2005 05:18 |
Am I really the only one who isn't happy about this at all? I've already bought the 16 Queen studio album. Why the hell do I have to buy them again in order to get the rarities? The least they could do to add some sence to this is release the discs in DVD-audio quality + rarities in CD quality. Otherwise the whole idea with this is to get fans to buy the same albums they already have over and over again. |
| The King Of Rhye 11.03.2005 05:32 |
VERY interesting news........I kinda like it, if only because that I am not the world's richest Queen fan, and the cost of buying of a huge box set might be difficult..........interestingly, I've done some things like this myself, with the various rare songs and versions that I have downloaded.....that is, put on one cd, the original album, plus alternate versions and whatnot.....so I was ahead of my time!!! or something like that......heh |
| pma 11.03.2005 06:59 |
I'd prefer the whole backcatalogue re-issued one by one as SACD (dsd stereo, dsd mc, redbook cd layers) or DVD-A (mlp stereo, mlp mc, dts), they could include outtakes rarities on each album this way also, space would not be an issue IMO. And I'd not have to buy them as cd's again ;-) Give me Hi-RES! |
| scallyuk 11.03.2005 08:19 |
John your name will be mud - again - with the powers that be. I think they would prefer to tie all the cats in one bag and throw them from a bridge rathe than let you release them to the rest of us. Thanks for the info though, It's likely to be a lot more intersting than a box set. Despite the huge range covered by the Beatle anthologies for example they were still tight on space and excluded a lot o stuff that is still "out there" This might be our only chance for a true retrospecive on the Queen catalogue and as such I welcome it with an open chequebook (even if my bank manager doesn't) Neil |
| cmsdrums 11.03.2005 08:47 |
I agree with Whisperer; I have all the origianl vinyl, CD's , 94 remasters, '98 remasters, and have started getting the new 2001 Japanese ones. If the albums are releawed on CD again, I don't really want to have to cough up to buy these, just for the rarities discs. Ideally, if it has to be in this format, the original album should be in DVDA 5.1, with the extras disc on CD. If not, then maybe they could also release all the extra discs in one 'box-set' so that we could have the choice of buying either the original+rarities double-CD pack when each one is released, or just the box-set with the rarities discs in. The only problem with this would be that the box set would have to be released after the last individual CD release, and I wouldn't want to wait 2 years to hear the rarities when I know they are already sitting on the shelves in the stores. Oh well, as always I'm bound to buy wahtever comes out anyway!! Chris |
| Fenderek 11.03.2005 08:50 |
I think... it's a rip-off... Fuck that- I already bought all albums once, than bought the mini-vinyls and now what- I'd have to buy all the albums yet AGAIN to get rarities...? ISN'T THAT FUCKING RIDICULOUS...? Good if they REALLY want to give us rarities, but... remember Greg saying so many times that re-releasing the old albums isn't an option...? Well........................................ I'm happy about the fact that they WILL release the rare things, but... definitely not happy about the idea behind it... |
| gr8kingrat 11.03.2005 08:52 |
terrible idea... told ya we wouldnt get a box set! grrr |
| Mr. Scully 11.03.2005 09:49 |
Mixed emotions... so if I want to hear the rarities, I have to buy the whole catalogue again? That sucks. I'd agree with that if all the albums were released in DVD audio. I have many doubts about CD's - we've had so many remastered editions in the past and virtually all of them had some errors. |
| Libor2 11.03.2005 10:54 |
I don't know too. I have LPs, some CDs (without remaster), then remastered ('94) CDs, DVD-A, and now I should buy the whole catalog anew. If they do new remaster of CDs and add better booklets (as in Deep Purple or Yes remastered/anniversary series are) and give us rarities, I think it'll be OK for me. In that case I'll go for it. If not, hmmm, I will see :-) |
| John S Stuart 11.03.2005 12:18 |
To return to the thread which originally broke the news... link The debate is NOT about "Fleetwood Mac" or "Rumours", rather, should "Queen" follow suit with "A Night At The Opera" 30th anniversary edition - or go down the road of a ubiquitous "Beatles: Anthology" box-set? FLEETWOOD MAC - Rumours [2CD, 2004, Expanded & Remastered] Info: Amazon Three decades after Rumours established itself as one of rock's most ubiquitous, overarching successes, discussing Fleetwood Mac's heady 1977 monster (18 million sold and counting) might seem pointless; one might as well deconstruct a Big Mac. But this remastered, double-disc deluxe edition succeeds by offering up a generous, compelling portrait of that overly familiar musical triumph via 18 bonus tracks that include demos, outtakes, run-throughs, and studio jams. Stripping hits like "Don't Stop," "Go Your Own Way" and "Gold Dust Woman" down to their most bare-bones form reveals the sturdy, elemental framework that tellingly lies beneath all the pop perfection. But tracks like Lindsey Buckingham's ebullient instrumental "Brushes" (the basic tracks of "Never Going Back Again") also display a musician whose focused vision is informed by accomplished playing that's anything but simple. The two brief studio jams included aren't much more than noisy, disposable fun. But other outtakes of songs that didn't make the album (Stevie Nicks's "Think About It" and "Planets of the Universe"; Buckingham's "Doesn't Anything Last") help underscore the contention of Dave DiMartino's insightful new liner notes: This was a band on the cusp of triumph literally coming apart at its emotional seams, yet one which somehow channeled that personal turmoil into nothing short of epochal musical success. -- Jerry McCulley, Amazon Tracklist: CD1: 1. Second Hand News 2. Dreams 3. Never Going Back Again 4. Don't Stop 5. Go Your Own Way 6. Songbird 7. Silver Springs 8. The Chain 9. You Make Loving Fun 10. I Don't Want to Know 11. Oh Daddy 12. Gold Dust Woman CD2: 1. Second Hand News 2. Dreams 3. Brushes (Never Going Back Again) 4. Don't Stop 5. Go Your Own Way 6. Songbird 7. Silver Springs 8. You Make Loving Fun 9. Gold Dust Woman #1 10. Oh Daddy 11. Think About It 12. Never Going Back Again 13. Planets of the Universe 14. Butter Cookie (Keep Me There) 15. Gold Dust Woman 16. Doesn't Anything Last 17. Mic the Screecher 18. For Duster (The Blues) The point here is that the price of this 2xCD set - is LITTLE more than the price of the original release. My view is that I am NOT purchasing the old stuff again. Rather, I am buying a new rarities disc - ALONG with a second remastered version of the original for virtually free! No problem. Also, I think it is BETTER to buy in affordable installments - rather than a one-off lump sum. (Remember, the key phrase was "pocket money" affordable). That should suit all pockets and needs. Heaven knows, there are times that I think QP do get it wrong, and I am not slow to say so, but in balance (in my opinion), I think that they have it pretty much right this time around. Let's hope it is sooner, rather than later this year. |
| Liquid Scream 11.03.2005 12:28 |
Great news indeed! I would rather this than a box set. I really like the 2 disc idea like Johnny Winters 30th anniversary release of Second Winter. Disc one is the original album and outtakes and the second is a concert. It would be nice to have some of those concert soundboard recordings out there along with the outtakes and demos. |
| Daz85 11.03.2005 12:36 |
Also, if studio out-takes are brisk for the early albums, they could always use soundboard live recordings for bonus material? And how about 1 'finished' demo completed by Brian and Roger for each set? Though I doubt they'd have time right now. |
| YourValentine 11.03.2005 12:39 |
I wonder what happens to the BBC tracks. If they are included per album that would take away a lot of space on the bonus CDs... |
| wstüssyb 11.03.2005 12:52 |
I just wish they would sell the soundboards to the concerts they done, they would make a nice amount from that, even if it is only Online orders. In due time I would pay for more then 200 shows, thats at least one night Roger can stay in a nice hotel and entertain a young blonde chick, in all and all, we both would win =) |
| Daz85 11.03.2005 13:05 |
Regarding the BBC tracks... well, there's only 4 per session they did, and it's likely those early albums don't have a huge amount of out-takes anyway. I'd rather have the 'best of' the out-takes on the binus disk than loads of versions of the same song. |
| Rien 11.03.2005 13:08 |
No doubt about the fact that Queen have been managing their back catalogue in a very profitable way. There's also no doubt about it that I will cough up the cash once more. I have the complete catalogue (as do many others) on vinyl lp, cd, remastered cd, Queen Cabinet (the framed golden cd's), US remasters, Japanese mini-vinyl and now it seems to be released all over again. But to have it make more sense, as JSS said, buy the cd's with the extras and get the original album as a bonus... |
| John S Stuart 11.03.2005 13:19 |
Sorry - I thought I would paste this link to Queen Online ;-) Queenzone 1 Queen Online 0 link |
| The Real Wizard 11.03.2005 13:27 |
If there are two or three rare songs per cd, then I'll be disappointed. Hoewver, if there are 30-40 minutes of rarities on each disc, or perhaps a second disc, then I'll be thrilled beyond belief. 30 minutes of rarities for each album is 7 1/2 hours in all. I could definitely live with that. :) Are live albums in this equation, or just the 15 studio albums? Some soundboard Live Killers outtakes would be great to have! |
| Saint Jiub 11.03.2005 13:48 |
My view is that I am NOT purchasing the old stuff again. Rather, I am buying a new rarities disc - ALONG with a second remastered version of the original for virtually free! No problem. Also, I think it is BETTER to buy in affordable installments - rather than a one-off lump sum. (Remember, the key phrase was "pocket money" affordable). That should suit all pockets and needs. Heaven knows, there are times that I think QP do get it wrong, and I am not slow to say so, but in balance (in my opinion), I think that they have it pretty much right this time around. Let's hope it is sooner, rather than later this year.A two DVD set (Milton Heynes for example) only costs about 1/3 more to buy than just one CD (typically $20 versus $15 in the US). Paying $20 (I hope) per album anthology does not seem too bad. It costs much less than an import.(especially a Japanese import). Seems I might start waking up this year. |
| Jimmy Dean 11.03.2005 14:57 |
something tells me, if this were to happen... instead of Demos and outtakes, they may end up filling up most of the second disc with unreleased live material... that's what usually happens to special double disc editions... i'd rather a complete live show than a handful of tracks which can be found at slightly lower quality on a bootleg i can download from the hub... |
| Negative Creep 11.03.2005 15:16 |
Is there really any need for point scoring? Although, "Kes" actually hinted at it well before you commented on it anywhere. For some bizarre reason, I think QP have better quality recordings than whats available on the hub (!!!)... you know with them having the master tapes and not using shitty audio files sourced from cassettes!??! Plus, it would be stupid to put a live gig on as a bonus instead of demos, outtakes etc. |
| John S Stuart 11.03.2005 15:33 |
Negative Creep: I thought my posts were rather positive. You say that Kes hinted at this before, but can you post a link to show this? I agree about the point scoring - it was meant to be a JOKE. It is Red Nose day here (in the UK) afterall! Nevertheless, This is one of the BIG advatages of this station (as opposed to Queen Online) as an independant - it feels like (for better or worse) I can truely speak my mind over here, without cow-towing to the vast Queen machine. (However, it is still a bit of a coup for this sort of news to break over here - whilst they are OFFICIALLY denying "rumours" over there) Jimmy Dean: PLEASE, please, please refer to my "Fleetwood Mac" examples in both this and my original threads. I never mentioned any live recordings whatsoever - this is a new spin, but it is not of my doing! As far as I am aware - NO - (That means absolutely NONE at all) LIVE material will appear on these special discs. I also certainly hope that the masters owned by QP are leagues ahead of anything which would ever be found in any hub - otherwise there would be no need to buy these new discs! |
| Lester Burnham 11.03.2005 15:44 |
Aye - I've actually only seen a few rare instances of reissues having live material on the bonus disc, unless, of course, there's not enough material to pad out that bonus disc, so they figure a concert would be a good idea anyway. Elvis Costello does this brilliantly, and rarely includes any live material unless it was officially released as a B-Side or on an EP. Queen could really learn a lot from him, except that they should fill up the first disc with extra material - Elvis limits the releases to the original album on one disc, leaving at least thirty minutes of free space, along with a full second disc. |
| Negative Creep 11.03.2005 16:35 |
No problem John... the joke just didn't come across in print much! I'll try and gid the links out for you in a sec. Wonder what will happen with the proposed live boxset? I assume thats shelved aswell? I would have hoped not.... and to have the BBC tracks spread across numerous CDs wouldn't exactly be ideal. |
| Negative Creep 11.03.2005 16:37 |
link |
| John S Stuart 11.03.2005 17:17 |
Negative Creep: "Wonder what will happen with the proposed live boxset? I assume thats shelved aswell?" To be honest - I do NOT know. So I can not answer with any authority - sorry. At a guess (and I stress this is just MY guess) - if the "special edition discs" are a run-away success (and I hope that we all agree that we would like them to be so) then maybe, just maybe, a special live set (or better still a series) would follow. I am actually VERY excited by this news - and that's why I wanted to share - to spread that positive vibe throughout my "home" zone. I hope that this did not come across as "attention-seeking" or that QP should feel slightly miffed. So to avoid any real substantial answer to your question, I am looking forward to these "Special Editions" first, and I will worry about live sets and DVDs later. But come on, it's a Friday night, so let's get drunk and celebrate - as it is the most positive news I've heard this side of Christmas!!! |
| Schlipsi 11.03.2005 17:50 |
John S Stuart wrote: 11 March 2005 - 00:50 (UK) Marketing wise - a disc by disc "rolling" collection makes much more financial sense. Cheaper and easier to mass-produce and huge volume sales by comparison.I totally agree that only die hard fans would buy an expensive boxset. If it's true that the price for the two CDs will be only a little more than for a single CD, than, from my point of view, this is a good deal. But from QP point of view, I'm not sure if this is such a good idea. There are two types of customers: 1. Group 1 – they do not (yet) own Queen albums. So if someone wants to buy ANATO and chooses the 2 disc set, than QP sells two CDs for the price of one CD. Not a good deal for QP. 2. Group 2 – they already have the albums. Only die hard fans will buy an album again because normal fans, they do not need remasters and they are not at all interested in demos or backing tracks or whatever. And if they are interested, then maybe only in certain albums like ANATO… So, do you think that there are so many older fans willing to buy these new sets? I agree, more people will buy a ANATO 2 CD set than a huge box set. But if you keep in mind that you are selling on the other side 2 discs for the price of one to group 1…I’ don’t know… |
| John S Stuart 11.03.2005 17:52 |
Negative Creep: Responding to a thread entitled "What next three DVD-As should be released?", what Kes actually wrote was... link "Queen II is going to be the jewel in the crown, I have no doubt about that. To be fair, I have a pretty good idea already what's coming, and all I'd say to most of you is brace yourselves, and start saving, because dreams do come true.... eventually." That's kind of a million miles away from what I wrote at the start of this thread... isn't it? link "The "boxsets" have been cancelled - because they are in NO one's interests... a dedicated remastered "Night At The Opera" set, would contain more "...Opera" demos/out-takes etc, than an anthology disc ever could... Over an 18 - 24 month period... the complete back catalogue will (be) re-released." |
| Adam Baboolal 11.03.2005 17:55 |
I'm sure we want these new sets of discs to really work, if it's true. Which is very real as lots of other artists have been coming out with these kinds of discs over the last few years. Good stuff. It guarantees sales as both people interested in the rarities will take a peek and those looking to hear Queen for the first time will also buy them and feel, "wow, what a deal!" But, I'm more worried about the way they're presented. I think it's painfully obvious from the posts on this forum that the last set of remasters lost the balance we'd come to expect from the Queen camp. Errors be damned, it's the sound that people know well and it needs to remain as it once was, i.e. before the last set. My wish is that they should seek someone OUTSIDE the Queen "friends" for remastering. Trust me, it'll work out a lot better than asking someone in-house. And if they do it well, I'd be very happy to buy the catalogue all over again. I've got a mix of UK and US 94 remasters and they've been great. NO horrible glitches at all. But if they really knock out the ultimate cd remasters that look and sound the biz, I'm sure we'd all be happy to get these. On a down-note, if they're just gonna use the 2001 remasters then, they've lost me. Sorry. Peace, Adam. |
| Lester Burnham 11.03.2005 19:09 |
John S Stuart wrote: But come on, it's a Friday night, so let's get drunk and celebrate - as it is the most positive news I've heard this side of Christmas!!!Best advice I've heard all day! |
| AlexRocks 11.03.2005 21:04 |
Funny how all of this is being taken as the truth. My understanding is that this will be done but that the box sets will as well. I don't understand why or who this John Stuart guy is but there are other artists out there who put out huge box sets so where is the fan support for them as well if you all are the fans you all claim to be. I am ready for all of these releases as a matter of fact. I think they should not be done all at once in terms of the box sets but a re-release of the back catelog of l.p.s should be instead of mixing them all up out of order. That's not smart either. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 11.03.2005 21:13 |
AlexRocks wrote: Funny how all of this is being taken as the truth. My understanding is that this will be done but that the box sets will as well. I don't understand why or who this John Stuart guy is ...John Stuart has credibility on this board and among the regular longtime posters. At least as much cred as Greg Brooks has, and probably a damn sight more given Mr. Brooks surliness and primadonna attitude. If John says it, I'm likely to believe it until proven otherwise. |
| wstüssyb 11.03.2005 21:13 |
Funny how all of this is being taken as the truth. sorry Alex, but you sort lost, JSS is like the semi god of Queen rarities and what not, I would believe what he is saying over what QOL or QP will say, pretty sure at least 80% of QZ will say that. |
| Daburcor? 11.03.2005 22:26 |
wstüssyb wrote: I would believe what he is saying over what QOL or QP will say, pretty sure at least 80% of QZ will say that.I sure do! |
| KenJ_1986 11.03.2005 23:14 |
I wish I lived in Europe... You guys get all the excellent QUEEN stuff... Here in the USA, all I can find is GH I,II,&III, Classic Queen, ANATO, ADATR, and Queen II. I hope those CD's are released here... I'll buy them ALL! |
| 7Innuendo7 11.03.2005 23:47 |
constant morphing, but keeps the brand fresh, probably a good idea, ANATO good place to start, Thanks! John S., but you got served by Neil |
| VGB 12.03.2005 00:47 |
so uhh... 1. will these be released in the US? I caught a reference to Hollywood in that first post. 2. is it guaranteed the entire back catalog WILL be released this way? I think its a great idea for the fans to get what we want and for everyone to still make some money. Face it, a Queen anthology boxset would not fair well in the US market, least we are getting something. As for the people complaining about DVDA, I agree, I love DVDA, but if you want to make money you have to adopt a consumer friendly format, DVDA doensn't look like its picking up speed anytime soon, and Queen cannot influence the DVDA market that strongly. |
| Daburcor? 12.03.2005 01:01 |
Good points. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 12.03.2005 01:17 |
KenJ_1986 wrote: I wish I lived in Europe... You guys get all the excellent QUEEN stuff... Here in the USA, all I can find is GH I,II,&III, Classic Queen, ANATO, ADATR, and Queen II. I hope those CD's are released here... I'll buy them ALL!You should be able to get all of Queen's albums online now via Amazon, CDUniverse, Barnes & Noble, et cetera, if you can't find them where you live. As for the re-issues, if they're not released in the US, you will still be able to pick them up via any number of e-tailers. I'll probably get mine thru Amazon.co.uk |
| Jimmy Dean 12.03.2005 01:20 |
some say they don't believe the credibility of all this... it seems logical to do this right now... why? well Queen are coming back... so what better way to promote sales of re-releases than by going on tour. It'll get new fans to buy the classic albums and old fans to update their versions (for a 4th time ;) But how will the y do it? Not a box set... their must be a reason for why it's been put off so long.... I don't know if anyone has heard of those double-sided disc with one side the album and the other side a DVD. This is a possibility... it's the newest medium and will cost less than producing a double-disc set. I mentioned earlier that it would be a drag if they released a bunch of live tracks from variuous concerts to supplement the demos. Why do I say this? How many demos and outtakes do they still have in the vaults, of the earlier stuff at least? Didn't Brian say that in the beginning they would re-use a lot of the reels because they didn't have the cash to keep them in storage? I would say, if they can restore 40 minutes worth of unreleased studio gems, demos, outtakes or unfinished tracks (ex. Silver Salmon!) then this really would have been worth the wait and the cash. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 12.03.2005 08:36 |
Jimmy Dean wrote: some say they don't believe the credibility of all this... it seems logical to do this right now... why? well Queen are coming back... so what better way to promote sales of re-releases than by going on tour. It'll get new fans to buy the classic albums and old fans to update their versions (for a 4th time ;)I agree that, certainly from the management standpoint, re-releasing the catalogue with bonus material during the same period of time that the band members have gone on tour is probably the smartest way to maximize sales. Lots of promotion and publicity to entice newer fans to pick up the albums, *long* awaited rare material to hook the long time fans into buying the same albums they already own for the 4th or 5th time, and releasing each album seperately rather than in a box set encourages the more casual fan to pick up only the discs that have their favorite songs ("Oh look, Nigel! A 10 minute demo of 'I Want to Break Free'! Hoorah! Let's buy this one!") - as opposed one (or two or three) more expensive multi-disc box sets, which are going to appeal only to the hardcore audience (and not even all of them because of the prohibive cost). But how will they do it? Not a box set... their must be a reason for why it's been put off so long...I don't think the long delay is part of any plan or preconceived strategy on the part of the band. Given all the projects that have either been announced or have slipped out over the years that have never come to fruition (i.e. releasing 6 live shows on VHS over a two year period, as the fan club announced back in the late 90s, the VH-1 Storytellers with Dave and Taylor from the Foo Fighters that never happened, et cetera), I don't think the band plans much of anything. A lot of their moves seem kind of spur of the moment and half-baked, with not-so-good ideas (Greatest Hits 3, selling lower quality live bootlegs online) making it out to the public more often than potentially good ideas (the long delayed box sets). I mentioned earlier that it would be a drag if they released a bunch of live tracks from variuous concerts to supplement the demos. Why do I say this? How many demos and outtakes do they still have in the vaults, of the earlier stuff at least? Didn't Brian say that in the beginning they would re-use a lot of the reels because they didn't have the cash to keep them in storage? I would say, if they can restore 40 minutes worth of unreleased studio gems, demos, outtakes or unfinished tracks (ex. Silver Salmon!) then this really would have been worth the wait and the cash.I have the Fleetwood Mac re-releases that John has used as an illustration in talking about the Queen re-releases and they are really nice sets (although I know from a friend of mine who is a hardcore Fleetwood Mac fan that there were many widely available bootlegged demos that didn't make those sets which many FM fans would have preferred to the ones that *did* make those sets). Tusk and Rumours both had bonus discs that were packed. The re-issue of the 1975 self-titled album (or 'white album') didn't come with a bonus disc though because of sales concerns. Its a single disc, with a demo and 4 single versions rounding out the original album. That was a disappointment because there are a lot of terrific demos from that album floating around. I say all that to say that I hope we don't end up with a situation like that for the early Queen albums - not enough demo or rare material surviving from the era of 'Queen', 'Queen II', and 'Sheer Heart Attack' to fill a second disc, so we just get a few odd mixes or instrumentals tacked onto the end of the disc containing the original album. I understand if there's not much surviving from those sessions then they can't conjure it out of thin air, but I'll personally be disappointed if all of the re-releases aren't two discs of studio material. |
| Daz85 12.03.2005 10:35 |
Queen 1 would likely feature the 6 De Lane Lea studio demos? |
| john bodega 12.03.2005 11:42 |
Nonsense! There can be lengthy interviews with John Deacon about the underlying emotional subtext in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". Every 15 seconds he can pause to take a sip from his tea, and he can make it sound overly slurpy and disgusting. |
| Jer 12.03.2005 13:11 |
Well, from the early years there's De Lane Lea demos KYA (Long Lost..) Mad The Swine BBC Sessions and then any versions of Silver Salmon or Hangman that *may* be available (and Polar Bear too?) and then the home demos - the early version of SHA (and will we get to hear The prophet's Song from 74 too?). And with the 'new' version of Teo Torriate, maybe there'll be some minor reworkings too. The aspect that I've always felt let down with from the 94 ReMasters was the packaging, with some of the layouts falling well short of the standards of the original LPs (the 'white' Queen II centrefold as a b/w photocopy FFS!)and in other cases simply lacking (the cut-up back cover of SHA, band pics in ANATO etc). Here's a chance to put that right at last. |
| Fireplace 12.03.2005 13:13 |
<font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: Just one question: how are they gonna fill all those 2nd cd's? I mean, I don't think there's that much available for e.g. 'Flash Gordon' or 'Queen I'.For Flash? You've got to be kidding! I am looking forward to all those different live versions were Freddie plays the parts of Flash and Dale Arden all by himself ("oohh Flash, I love ya, love ya, love ya!") as he did on the South American tour in 1981. Kills me everytime I hear it :-) |
| Jer 12.03.2005 13:14 |
<font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: ...which is less than 30 minutes. What else will it feature? The single edit of Liar, the long lost retake of KYA + the US single version and Mad The Swine? Great, 40 minutes. What else?So that wouldn't be enough?? :) |
| Two Sharp Pencils 12.03.2005 13:21 |
For Queen I they will probably use earlier stuff as well, such as Salmon, Polar Bear, etc... |
| GreatKingSam 12.03.2005 13:33 |
i think that, what with the lack apparent lack of rarities etc for Queen and Queen II, compared to the other albums at least, i think it would be an idea for QP to perhaps release these two albums at the same time, slightly cheaper, just to compensate perhaps. unless of course they can fill them with some real surprises - but we'll just have to see... |
| Two Sharp Pencils 12.03.2005 13:46 |
GreatKingSam wrote: i think that, what with the lack apparent lack of rarities etc for Queen and Queen II, compared to the other albums at least, i think it would be an idea for QP to perhaps release these two albums at the same time, slightly cheaper, just to compensate perhaps. unless of course they can fill them with some real surprises - but we'll just have to see...The thing is that (if my memory serves me correctly) JSS said that they have nothing really exciting from those days... :-( (Of course that based on previous [100% worth reading!] posts by JSS, we know that pearls from those days exist, but the thing is that these are not in QP possession). If I am wrong I´m sure that a specialist such as JSS will correct me. |
| [ Wybren™ ] 12.03.2005 14:13 |
What about the instrumentals? I rather hear demos but it will be great to have an instrumental version of Innuendo, MOTBQ etc. |
| bitesthedust 12.03.2005 15:43 |
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| Negative Creep 12.03.2005 16:20 |
John - I didn't say he actually stated what was coming out - I said he hinted. You also initially hinted after him, then later chose to basically give all the info you had out.... but fair do's... I think my original remark has been blown out of proportion, I do appreciate you leaking this info.... obviously no one else would! Lets hope they dont choose to issue the the 1st release in December to tie in with the ANATO anniversary! I would have thought it would have made more sense to release say 4 titles at a time every few months until every album is covered, but for the first batch to put the emphasis on ANATO with it being its 30th anniversary. |
| Negative Creep 12.03.2005 16:23 |
I hope they aren't "mini vinyls" as theyre just a cheap gimmick... along with digipacks. |
| Penetration_Guru 12.03.2005 17:02 |
Right 1. Thanks John for sharing your news. 2. So much for all those promises that we wouldn't have to buy the original material again. 3. DVD-A. REM have just released their entire back catalogue on DVD-a/CD doublepacks. If Queen announce that they will too, I think you've got the start of a DVD-A snowball. ALso, The Donnas' last album was initially released as a dual format disc (DVD one side, CD the other), so there's a market. 4. No wonder HMV are selling Queen albums at £4.99 - clear those shelves... The four albums that I saw in ASDA (Wal-Mart) were ANATO, ADATR, AKOM & The Miracle. Wouldn't make a bad first instalment.... |
| YourValentine 12.03.2005 17:10 |
Not only HMV - also QOL are offering cheap albums: the Japanese mini albums. Again I feel there is a certain dishonetsy in the business practice of QP. |
| Adam Baboolal 12.03.2005 18:06 |
YourValentine wrote: Not only HMV - also QOL are offering cheap albums: the Japanese mini albums. Again I feel there is a certain dishonetsy in the business practice of QP.Bit unfair to haul QP up for these practices when nearly all companies do the same thing. Just look at "dvd offers" - they're usually done to make way for the new double-dip edition, etc. And remember, the mini-vinyls have been available since 2001/2. They've had a fair run. Hmmm... 94' - 98' - 01' - 05'. Wow, I can see a pattern! Interesting... Btw, let's not discuss the SACD format. The equipment needed to play it back is far too scarce in a regular household, while dvd has become a very safe standard and is found in many many households. I'm not saying SACD is bad, it's not because, it's actually similar in sound to dvd-a. But it's Sony's fault for introducing their own specific format. So, please, NO SACD! I still get the feeling it'll be a pair of cd's. Peace, Adam. |
| pma 12.03.2005 18:51 |
Adam Baboolal wrote:All current SACD's coming out are exclusive hybrid and contain a redbook cd-layer for cd-player compatibility. People with actual MLP capable dvd-audio players are certainly not a majority amongst consumers, so the true HI-Res market is scarse.YourValentine wrote: Not only HMV - also QOL are offering cheap albums: the Japanese mini albums. Again I feel there is a certain dishonetsy in the business practice of QP.Bit unfair to haul QP up for these practices when nearly all companies do the same thing. Just look at "dvd offers" - they're usually done to make way for the new double-dip edition, etc. And remember, the mini-vinyls have been available since 2001/2. They've had a fair run. Hmmm... 94' - 98' - 01' - 05'. Wow, I can see a pattern! Interesting... Btw, let's not discuss the SACD format. The equipment needed to play it back is far too scarce in a regular household, while dvd has become a very safe standard and is found in many many households. I'm not saying SACD is bad, it's not because, it's actually similar in sound to dvd-a. But it's Sony's fault for introducing their own specific format. So, please, NO SACD! I still get the feeling it'll be a pair of cd's. Peace, Adam. Of course then there's DualDisc (hybrid cd/dvd) (if it ever kicks off), which would offer redbook capability along a DVD layer. But people still listen to music mainly on common cd players, sad fact ;-) That speaks against DVD-A as a format itself. The most negative people at stevehoffman.tv forums for example have already reported some stores in US have replaced the DVD-A section with DUALDISC, despite lack of titles. Take that for what it's worth... :-S |
| VGB 13.03.2005 00:31 |
VGB wrote: so uhh... 1. will these be released in the US? I caught a reference to Hollywood in that first post. 2. is it guaranteed the entire back catalog WILL be released this way?so um...no answers? |
| Jimmy Dean 13.03.2005 00:54 |
there's no guarantees on anything, besides the fact that it comes from a "reliable" source. shuold this actually happen, i'm pretty sure it'll be a worldwide release, maybe not in the same time frame, but eventually with in a couple months or less. but remember, we're worked up overs something that has yet to be officially announced by a reocrd label. Remeber how excited we were when ideas and details were announced that a box set would be coming sometime in the near future back in 1999? or was it 2000?... ... ... |
| Ray D O'Gaga 13.03.2005 14:16 |
VGB wrote:VGB wrote: so uhh... 1. will these be released in the US? I caught a reference to Hollywood in that first post. 2. is it guaranteed the entire back catalog WILL be released this way?so um...no answers? John S Stuart wrote: No questions taken - no answers given ... |
| Adam Baboolal 13.03.2005 23:10 |
pma wrote: All current SACD's coming out are exclusive hybrid and contain a redbook cd-layer for cd-player compatibility. People with actual MLP capable dvd-audio players are certainly not a majority amongst consumers, so the true HI-Res market is scarse.Ah... see I didn't mean for you to assume I meant MLP. As shown by countless releases, PCM and DTS are perfectly capable, as is Dolby Digital. I also didn't mean surround mixes. So, if you think about it, PCM would be a very acceptable format to use. Straight compatibility for all players. As for dual disc layers - I didn't realise there was a cd/dvd version. I was only familiar with the cd/sacd ones. Good to know. I still feel dvd is the most generally common format next to cd these days. Peace, Adam. |
| Fenderek 14.03.2005 08:39 |
Reason why I'm a bit disappointed about the idea behind it is: I was waiting for a beautifully released box, like Mercury one, with a book and all that stuff- I'm gonna get a jewel case... And... Is 1 extra CD enough? If you think about QUEEN, that's awfully lot already- DeLaneLae demos, second BBC session, Polar Bear, Silver Salmon, I'm sure they have some out-takes from the songs they used on the first album, Mad The Swine, The Night Comes Down recorded in trident Studios... That's already quite a lot, isn't it? I wanted to have them all in one place- like a big anthology. What I'm also affraid of is the possibility that after releasing those special editions they're gonna put out BOX SETS anyway- wouldn't surprise me... With the same material? AND the last but not least- why am I forced to buy original material again? (Ok- am not forced, but have to do it to get rarities)- it was being so strongly stressed that this is not going to be the case!!! Are we going to get new remasters? If so- than maybe fine, I may be OK with the idea. But somehow I expect same old 2001 japanese ones... Remember 100 bootlegs? There was a chance of making it right and release the soundboards. Blown. The project is dead anyway, they didn't updated it for 3 months now. I'm affraid it's gonna be similiar with those... Unless I see them on the shelf- I'm sceptical. But if- IF- this is true and is going to be done properly (no rip-off, quality product)- I'm going to be the happiest man on the planet. |
| great king rat 1138 14.03.2005 09:48 |
John S Stuart wrote: 11 March 2005 - 00:50 (UK) The first release WILL be some time THIS year - "A Night At The Opera" 30th Anniversary special edition (heralded to a great fanfare) - possibly followed by "A Day At The Races".I really don't get why it should start with A Night at the Opera. In my humble opinion, although it is a great album, it's not even in the top three! The rereleases should start wirth the first (and, in my opinion, by far the greatest) album. Then again, I still think the boxsets would be way better, at least as an option! All that lovely Queen in one purchase.... drrrroooolll....makes me want to sell a kidney. Any takers? |
| Benn 14.03.2005 09:54 |
>why am I forced to buy original material again..... Well, if you just accept the fact that, with a 2-disc set, you're actually only buying 1 disc and paying say £15 for it, you're essentially getting a free disc. Pretend that the original album isn't in the package and just look at the contents of whatever disc 2 has on each set - then decide whether you want to buy *just that disc* and voila! We have the rarities we have been after. Work out that each album would eventually have 2 discs, that means that Queen *RELEASE* 15 rarities discs (if they do release each album as a Deluxe issue). This is opposed to a, what, 4 or 6 disc box set of studio rarities. That box set would also likely have to include the standard versions of the best-known hits in order to appeal to people outside of the collecting / die-hard community and, therefore, would mean less space available for the rare material we have all been after. Think of it more like a super-box set as opposed to what we all know to be the standard box set release for a band. Perhaps this is a BETTER idea and something that THE BAND have perhaps proposed to the powers that be in order to get as much rare material to the fans as possible. Personally, I think we need to get right behind this. |
| Noizeemama 21.03.2005 18:56 |
I am against this idea. I already own the original records, then I bought CD, and I even have started the DVD versions. We SHOULD NOT have to pay for the whole works AGAIN to get the rare stuff!!! The extras that were put on the first CD's absolutely sucked. Like we wanted to hear Queen's music ruined by making it rap!!!!!!!!!!!!! So What would be considered for the extras this time? More crap or some of the odd stuff we've been downloading to hear? (Can't get it any other way - can we!) What kind of sound quality will it have? The CD I have of News of the World is god awful. I can't even listen to it!! I could see if they had done this when they release(d) the DVD versions...At least then we are not getting robbed...It's not much different than when we replaced the records with CD's. PLEASE release the rare stuff all on its own!!! Stop robbing the fans. This is a big reason why downloading is so popular!!!! |
| Negative Creep 22.03.2005 10:55 |
I dont belive releasing the unreleased material in this manner WILL enable them to issue more material - this just aint in QPs interests... issue as little for as much money more like. If this 2 disc format does come to fruition, I can guarantee you the bonus discs won't run over 40 mins each. |
| Benn 22.03.2005 11:21 |
>40 mins each..... You're probably right, but, across the WHOLE catalogue, that runs at 15 discs (each album featuring a bonus disc) of 40 mins. That's better than a 4 or 6 disc box set at 75 mins each........ |
| Negative Creep 22.03.2005 11:27 |
There were always going to be 3 boxsets, not 1 - so there would have been plenty of room in the boxsets. |
| Negative Creep 22.03.2005 11:30 |
and theres the issue of what theyll actually choose to issue... will they actually issue unreleased songs like silver salmon, the queen version of polar bear, feelings feelingg etc etc etc or will they stick to just demos & outtakes of albums tracks? |
| wstüssyb 22.03.2005 13:47 |
Negative Creep wrote: will they actually issue unreleased songs like silver salmon, the queen version of polar bear, feelings feelingg etc etc etc or will they stick to just demos & outtakes of albums tracks?They will release stuff we have now in various trading circles(hub/mp3/bootlegs) and not what we really really want. |
| Oberon62AU 04.04.2005 02:51 |
Hopefully they will follow the same path as both Fleetwood Mac [as suggested by John S. Stuart] and the new REM reissues. Ideally, they will all be deluxe issues with nicely done cover art [in my view they should be done like Universal's Deluxe Editions - the Elton John GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD is excellent]. They should all have the original album done in: 1. Advanced Resolution DVD-Audio 5.1 Surround 2. Advanced Resolution DVD-Audio Stereo 3. DTS 5.1 Surround [playable on all DVD players] 4. Advanced Resolution stereo [playable on all DVD players] The second disc should be a disc full of rarities/b-sides/demos etc. In the case of the A NIGHT AT THE OPERA 30th Anniversary set, it should also include a bonus DVD which would include documentary material about the making of the album and also LIVE AT HAMMERSMITH ODEON 75. With all the other releases being 2 disc, this could be sold as an extra special edition. Ideally, these would be issued as mentioned by Mr Stuart over the next 18mths in groups of 3 or 4 and would include ALL Queen studio albums. They could also sell a catalogue and box to house all of these new editions. At some later date, an Anthology box set could also be released grouping a lot of this stuff together with any extras for those who want a Deluxe Box, but without any of the studio albums. The Beatles Anthology set was greatly expanded when it was released on DVD, so maybe this could happen here too. This way... we all get what we want!! <grin> Well.. mostly anyway. There are always going to be some who wont be pleased by anything. What do you guys think? This would certainly be my ideal [well.. except for the Anthology box which I could live without, unless it was DVD with lots and LOTS of extra footage]. Cheers Steve |
| The Fonz 04.04.2005 16:35 |
I like the way that The Clash - London Calling was done 1. Original Album (remastered, natch) 2. Vanilla demos (pre-production demos including 5 unreleased songs) 3. DVD on the making of the album (including in-studio footage recently discovered) |
| DeaconJohn 04.04.2005 16:50 |
I refuse to buy music that I already have to get the extra tracks. So no demo's for me unfortunatley.... |
| kleinhond 05.04.2005 17:19 |
EMI started their David Bowie 2-CD 30th Anniversary series with Ziggy Stardust in 2002. Since then there has been Aladdin Sane, Ziggy Stardust Live, Diamond Dogs and David Live. You want to know the total number of unreleased tracks that have been issued across these five titles? Four. Which are three live tracks and one remix! Makes you think eh? |
| NOTWMEDDLE 05.04.2005 19:24 |
VGB wrote: so uhh... 1. will these be released in the US? I caught a reference to Hollywood in that first post. 2. is it guaranteed the entire back catalog WILL be released this way? I think its a great idea for the fans to get what we want and for everyone to still make some money. Face it, a Queen anthology boxset would not fair well in the US market, least we are getting something. As for the people complaining about DVDA, I agree, I love DVDA, but if you want to make money you have to adopt a consumer friendly format, DVDA doensn't look like its picking up speed anytime soon, and Queen cannot influence the DVDA market that strongly.In fact with Dylan, The Stones, The Who and Pink Floyd releasing Hybrid SACDs, DVD Audio is tanking. |
| Fenderek 06.04.2005 09:11 |
wstüssyb wrote: They will release stuff we have now in various trading circles(hub/mp3/bootlegs) and not what we really really want.I really don't want to, but have to agree... That's what I expect, anyway... Box Set as a dream was 3 different books, size Freddie one each. Forget it... 40 minutes each... Well- here goes De Lane Lea and BBC and... where's the space for anything else...? And I was really hoping they'd put at least one CD with stuff like 1984- "Step On Me" or Opposition's acetate... Forget it... |
| Negative Creep 06.04.2005 12:20 |
Well - I'll believe it when I see it anyway. Queen productions are involved remember - they will either not happen (I highly doubt anything is confirmed)or it will be undesirable material such as edits and new instrumental mixes. I can't ever picture a 2CD version of "Queen" with the likes of Silver Salmon, Polar Bear, Hangman or any of the demos. |
| John S Stuart 06.04.2005 13:17 |
Do you guys actually read through the threads... or do you just add your own twopence worth after reading the headline? John S Stuart: "I am NOT purchasing the old stuff again. Rather, I am buying a new rarities disc - ALONG with a second remastered version of the original for virtually free... it is BETTER to buy in affordable installments - rather than a one-off lump sum..." Rip Van Winkle: "A two DVD set (Milton Heynes for example) only costs about 1/3 more to buy than just one CD (typically $20 versus $15 in the US). Paying $20 (I hope) per album anthology does not seem too bad. It costs much less than an import.(especially a Japanese import)." If you had read these previous posts - you will have seen that your fears have all been addressed. |
| Negative Creep 06.04.2005 13:33 |
Not really - thats your opinion. I doubt theyll be putting a CDs worth of demos on the 2nd disc of every album. |
| John S Stuart 06.04.2005 13:38 |
Negative Creep: "I doubt theyll be putting a CDs worth of demos on the 2nd disc of every album." We'll see. |
| sbrown 06.04.2005 17:05 |
John, any idea of a timeframe? I'm a little surpised they haven't announced them already, to cash in on the tour. Although I have noticed that suddenly all Queen cds in the shops have dropped to half-price in the last week.... |
| Oberon62AU 07.04.2005 11:37 |
kleinhond wrote: EMI started their David Bowie 2-CD 30th Anniversary series with Ziggy Stardust in 2002. Since then there has been Aladdin Sane, Ziggy Stardust Live, Diamond Dogs and David Live. You want to know the total number of unreleased tracks that have been issued across these five titles? Four. Which are three live tracks and one remix! Makes you think eh?Might make me think more if you were a little more accurate. For a start, if youre going to include David Live, then you have to include Stage. So then, the extras are 2 live tracks each on David Live and Stage, theres the new mix of Moonage Daydream on Ziggy [plus various demo's which may or may not have been available elsewhere] and then theres the two previously unreleased tracks on Aladdin Sane, so theres at least 6 tracks that were actually unreleased, not to mention a number of tracks that were uncommon outside collector circles. Just because there wasnt a LOT of unreleased stuff on the David Bowie remaster series [to be continued with the Young Americans 30th Anniversary edition later this year] _doesnt_ mean that a Queen series would be the same. Oh and as for those of you announcing the imminent death of DVD-Audio, its interesting that REM have just released all of their Warner catalogue in CD/DVD-A packs, so there are now new DVD-Audios of all of their albums. Not that its exactly blooming with health as a format, but its by no means dead yet. As for SACD, its hardly doing a lot better. Now both formats are backwards compatible, DVD-Audio with DVD, and SACD with CD, maybe there will be some good news. I think that both formats are destined to be niche formats for high-resolution audiphiles though. Still - Id love to see the Queen catalogue re-released in the way I suggested before. Thanks to John Stuart for bringing up the probability that this will happen. Of course it may not... but some here seem to positively enjoy being negative about everything to do with the band. Id rather look forward to the possibilities ahead. Cheers Steve |
| VGB 07.04.2005 14:33 |
In my defense, about DVDA I was looking at the perspective of the average consumer...who would walk in a see a CD, thats the whole point of releasing the albums with a second disc a boxset would only address those hardcore fans, as does DVDA, releasing the stuff this way they can appeal more to the general public. I said it I love DVDA and I think its a great format, but look in the store, all the electronice stores I've been to hide the DVDA section in the back of the CD aisles next to the discount CDs and SACDs...its obvious the format is only take seriously by niche audiophile market and you can only find them if you are looking for them. And how many people actually have 5.1 systems? how many people know what dts is? There are a lot of people who don't understand the formats and their capabilities, they buy whatever the sales guy tells them to and then have someone come to their house to install it. I'm sorry but the average consumer is stupid and doesn't like being confused, I think this tactic of releasing stuff is the best way to avoid consumer confusion and still appeal to the hardcore fanbase. |
| kleinhond 07.04.2005 15:13 |
Oberon62AU wrote:Oh dear.kleinhond wrote: EMI started their David Bowie 2-CD 30th Anniversary series with Ziggy Stardust in 2002. Since then there has been Aladdin Sane, Ziggy Stardust Live, Diamond Dogs and David Live. You want to know the total number of unreleased tracks that have been issued across these five titles? Four. Which are three live tracks and one remix! Makes you think eh?Might make me think more if you were a little more accurate. For a start, if youre going to include David Live, then you have to include Stage. So then, the extras are 2 live tracks each on David Live and Stage, theres the new mix of Moonage Daydream on Ziggy [plus various demo's which may or may not have been available elsewhere] and then theres the two previously unreleased tracks on Aladdin Sane, so theres at least 6 tracks that were actually unreleased, not to mention a number of tracks that were uncommon outside collector circles. It might help matters if you could actually know what the definition of accurate was. I didn't include Stage as I was specifically referring to the 30th Anniversary Series. Stage was originally released in 1978. You do the maths. And even so the new Stage only has two unreleased live tracks, and is still incomplete with missing tracks and not the full concert as recorded. So, back to the 30th Series....... David Live only has one previously unreleased track, Space Oddity. Panic In Detroit was a B-side and issued on the Rare album. Here Today Gone Tomorrow and Time were included on the 1990 2-CD edition. Diamond Dogs 30th Anniversary had no previously unreleased tracks at all. Aladdin Sane had two previously unreleased live tracks, one of which was taken direct from a very bad quality bootleg. Ziggy Stardust in 2002 had one previously unreleased track, which was just a 'new' remix of Moonage Daydream, done in 1998 for a TV ad for a car and heard widely at the time. All other tracks on CD2 had been widely issued on previous editions of Bowie's albums, some of them many times before. So, um, as I wrote yesterday, the series has so far produced four unreleased Bowie tracks - three live versions of famous tracks and one contemporary remix. Can I be any clearer? |
| Adam Baboolal 07.04.2005 19:58 |
I too, am with VGB on this one. DVD-A is a fine format and though it isn't selling brilliantly, that doesn't change the fact that it could be big. SACD is a strange one. I don't know anyone with an SACD capable player. However, everyone I know does have a dvd player. Doesn't that mean the most basic of compatibility for DVD-A? I think it's a sleeper. Once the record companies try exclusive DVD-A releases that aren't available to cd buyers, it could drum up interest. And maybe people will realise the quality playback benefits. I said it many times before, SACD sounds practically the same as DVD-A, so I wouldn't rule it out completely. But the widespread compatibility with consumers isn't good. Shame for both formats, but mostly for DVD-A. Like I said, it could sooooo do really, really well. The record companies just need to put some faith in a new format. Don't we deserve it??! Peace, Adam. |
| Oberon62AU 08.04.2005 04:17 |
kleinhond wrote: Oh dear. It might help matters if you could actually know what the definition of accurate was. I didn't include Stage as I was specifically referring to the 30th Anniversary Series. Stage was originally released in 1978. You do the maths. <snip> Can I be any clearer?You may not have included STAGE because it was not part of the 30th Anniversary series, in which case in pursuit of your definition of accuracy you shouldnt have included DAVID LIVE either! So while you couldnt be much clearer - you still have work to do on your definition of accuracy. The 30th Anniversary series is only the studio albums - and didnt even include PINUPS, so not all of them even. DAVID LIVE and STAGE were released together, and had nothing to do with the 30th Anniversary series. All the others in the series so far were clearly identified on their packaging as such. As for your explanation about Bowie back catalogue - well Im happy to admit you may well have the better of me there. Ive never pretended to be a catalogue trainspotter [for any artist]. I knew that there were two songs included on DAVID LIVE that were not there before, but was unaware that it had been released on RARE since I dont have it. Its a pity that it often seems to be the case that there are many genuine rarities out there that never seem to be make it out of collector or bootlegger hands and be released officially. Seems so silly, since at least that way they would make some money out of it. However - my point still stands that just because this happened with David Bowie, that does not necessarily mean it will happen with Queen. Cheers Steve |
| Oberon62AU 08.04.2005 04:43 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: I too, am with VGB on this one. DVD-A is a fine format and though it isn't selling brilliantly, that doesn't change the fact that it could be big. SACD is a strange one. I don't know anyone with an SACD capable player. However, everyone I know does have a dvd player. Doesn't that mean the most basic of compatibility for DVD-A? I think it's a sleeper. Once the record companies try exclusive DVD-A releases that aren't available to cd buyers, it could drum up interest. And maybe people will realise the quality playback benefits. I said it many times before, SACD sounds practically the same as DVD-A, so I wouldn't rule it out completely. But the widespread compatibility with consumers isn't good. Shame for both formats, but mostly for DVD-A. Like I said, it could sooooo do really, really well. The record companies just need to put some faith in a new format. Don't we deserve it??! Peace, Adam.Hmmm... there seems to be a little confusion still about the formats out there. There are DVD-A titles out there, but none of them are compatible with CD players. Currently there are 3 formats out there - these are Super Audio CD, DVD-Audio and DualDisc [I wont even get into the new upcoming formats]. Super-Audio CD or SACD: originally issued mostly in Hi-Resolution Stereo only, and marketed as an audiophile upgrade for CD. Comes either as exclusive SACD, only for SACD players, or as a Hybrid SACD, which means it will also play on an ordinary CDplayer. It may also include multi-channel mixes. Sony made it very expensive to upgrade as their SACD machines were very high-end with high-end prices to match. Now there are a large number of Universal players [playing SACD, CD, DVD and DVD-A etc] at reasonable prices. SACD now often has multi-channel mixes, due to the increasing popularity of 5.1 [or higher] surround systems for home theatre. Personally I think Sony botched the marketing and promotion of what is basically an excellent format. DVD-Audio: generally comes with 4 different mixes and is only playable on DVD players, and the high resolution DVD-Audio mix is only playable on those DVD players with DVD-A capability - either DVD-A players or the newer Universal players. The four mixes available are usually - DVD stereo [playable on any DVD player and usually a higher standard than CD], DVD 5.1 Surround [often DTS but not always. The Queen ones are DTS] and then there are the highest resolution DVD-Audio layers, DVD-A stereo and DVD-A 5.1 which are only playable on DVD-Audio compatible players. So, even without a DVD-A compatible player you would usually still get a better sound than CD due to higher resolution, either in stereo or 5.1. This format hasnt been rolled out well or marketed properly either. VGB is quite right when he says that audiophile titles are not generally presented well in stores, and often the salespeople - or shop assistants in most cases - have no clue what either format is or anything much about them. That makes it so much harder from the point of view of your average consumer. Im starting to notice higher visibility here in Perth, but theres still not a great range of titles, which is the biggest problem of them all. Finally there is the new DUALDISC. This is a double-sided disc, with a [non-redbook standard] CD layer containing up to 60mins of music, and on the other side, a DVD layer, which may or may not contain high-resolution DVD formats such as DVD-Audio, but will have a standard DVD layer that will play on all DVD players. There are issues here where the discs will sometimes not play in some CD or DVD players and apparently they carry a warning to that effect. Sorry for the long post - but Im very interested in both of the first two formats, and have numerous SACDs and DVD-As. The 5.1 mixes are generally excellent and a total different experience to hearing the standard stereo mixes. Ive loved the two Queen ones so far and c |
| John S Stuart 08.04.2005 12:31 |
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| Adam Baboolal 08.04.2005 19:03 |
Oberon62AU wrote: CD+DVD-A releases like the new REM ones, with all the rarities on the CD, and new surround mixes of all the albums on the DVD. That way everyone would benefit, and you would be getting something new on every disc because you would be getting surround mixes of the albums on the DVD. Only A NIGHT AT THE OPERA & THE GAME have been previously released on DVD-A so its not a big stretch to hope that it might happen this way :) Cheers! SteveThis is the second time I've heard about these REM releases on the forum, but I haven't seen them. Where are they? And the idea that the Queen albums could ALL be surround mixed? I'm sure the reason they take so long is because Brian wants them done to their satisfaction. And they ain't around for that, much. I haven't heard anything about the REM surround remixes, but over what period of time were they completed and how much input came from the band? Are they on the same level of the Queen ones? Peace, Adam. |
| Oberon62AU 09.04.2005 04:42 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: This is the second time I've heard about these REM releases on the forum, but I haven't seen them. Where are they? And the idea that the Queen albums could ALL be surround mixed? I'm sure the reason they take so long is because Brian wants them done to their satisfaction. And they ain't around for that, much. I haven't heard anything about the REM surround remixes, but over what period of time were they completed and how much input came from the band? Are they on the same level of the Queen ones? Peace, Adam.The REM releases should be available in stores around the world now. They are certainly available here in Australia, as my brother now has 4 of them, and I expect to pick up several of them. Two or three of them have had surround mixes done before, but all are being released as one batch. Having heard NEW ADVENTURES IN HI-FI I think they are very well done. I love the sound. Heres the Rhino press release about it all. Sorry its a bit long. Cheers Steve New Adventures In Cd + Dvd Double Disc Reissues Of Entire Warner Bros. R.E.M. Catalog Due February 15 December 17 2004 LOS ANGELES -- R.E.M. fans will have a good reason to "Get Up" on February 15, the release day for reissues of the band's entire Warner Bros. catalog in deluxe two-disc editions offering loads of previously unavailable material. All nine CD/DVD combos (GREEN, OUT OF TIME, AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE, MONSTER, NEW ADVENTURES IN HI-FI, UP, REVEAL, IN TIME: THE BEST OF R.E.M., and AROUND THE SUN) will be available February 15 . Every R.E.M. reissue will consist of the album as it was originally released on one CD, plus a DVD with a 5.1 surround sound version of the album remixed by Grammy-winning engineer Elliot Schiener, web links, an expanded booklet that features new liner notes and rarely seen archival photos, documentaries, and much more. GREEN (1989) marked R.E.M.'s Warner Bros. debut and lifted the band to a new level of popularity, thanks to the hits "Pop Song '89," "Stand," and "Orange Crush." The bonus DVD includes an unreleased documentary video and two live performances from the Tour Film DVD. OUT OF TIME (1991) continued to broaden R.E.M.'s audience with one of their biggest hit singles, "Losing My Religion," as well as "Shiny Happy People," and "Radio Song." The DVD includes the unreleased Time Piece documentary, which mixes band member interviews with commentaries about the songs. With AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE (1992), the band achieved their greatest commercial success as well as one of their finest artistic statements. The CD contains the smash "Everybody Hurts," and the audience favorite "Man On The Moon." The DVD features a short film set in Athens, GA, made to support the release, which includes segments showing the band playing portions of songs in the studio. MONSTER (1994) saw the band expanding its sound, creating an album featuring the aggressive rockers "What's The Frequency, Kenneth?" and "Star 69," as well as the delicate "Tongue" and "Strange Currencies." This DVD offers interviews with the band and unreleased live performances of "What's The Frequency, Kenneth?," "Let Me In," and "I Don't Sleep, I Dream." NEW ADVENTURES IN HI-FI (1996) showed the band pushing themselves even further artistically, offering a wide range of song styles with tracks like "E-bow The Letter," "Leave," "Bittersweet Me," and "Electrolite," many of which were recorded live at soundchecks on the Monster tour. The DVD features an unreleased video documentary. UP (1998) found the band redefining itself after the departure of drummer Bill Berry. Songs like "Daysleeper" "At My Most Beautiful," and "Walk Unafraid" demonstrated that R.E.M.'s |
| kleinhond 09.04.2005 05:31 |
Oberon62AU wrote:1) The 30th Anniversary Series does indeed include live albums. Take a look at Ziggy The Motion Picture. It's clearly identified by the line emblazoned across the bottom of the front packaging:kleinhond wrote: Oh dear. I didn't include Stage as I was specifically referring to the 30th Anniversary Series. Stage was originally released in 1978. You do the maths. <snip> Can I be any clearer?You may not have included STAGE because it was not part of the 30th Anniversary series, in which case in pursuit of your definition of accuracy you shouldnt have included DAVID LIVE either! The 30th Anniversary series is only the studio albums - and didnt even include PINUPS, so not all of them even. DAVID LIVE and STAGE were released together, and had nothing to do with the 30th Anniversary series. All the others in the series so far were clearly identified on their packaging as such. As for your explanation about Bowie back catalogue - well Im happy to admit you may well have the better of me there. Ive never pretended to be a catalogue trainspotter [for any artist]. I knew that there were two songs included on DAVID LIVE that were not there before, but was unaware that it had been released on RARE since I dont have it. Steve 30th Anniversary 2CD Special Edition Can it be any clearer? David Live is essentially part of the 30th Anniversary series because it was planned for release on the album's 30th anniversary in autumn 2004 but then EMI decided to delay it so that Bowie's other remaining live album, Stage, could be repackaged and released at the same time rather than wait till 2008. Saves on promotional costs this way. All they did was remove the 30th Anniversary line from the packaging of David Love so that and Stage could have packaging in keeping with each other. Pin Ups was not included in the 30th Anniversary series as the two bonus tracks that were included on the 1990 edition have been included on the 30th Anniversary editions of Diamond Dogs and Ziggy Stardust. There are no further Pin Ups era Bowie tracks in circulation at all. In your latest post you don't claim to be a catloagie trainspotter but it does help if you try and remember that small but important fact when you attempt to correct other posters whose knowledge is obviously far greater........ |
| Oberon62AU 09.04.2005 15:34 |
kleinhond wrote: 1) The 30th Anniversary Series does indeed include live albums. Take a look at Ziggy The Motion Picture. It's clearly identified by the line emblazoned across the bottom of the front packaging: 30th Anniversary 2CD Special Edition Can it be any clearer? David Live is essentially part of the 30th Anniversary series because it was planned for release on the album's 30th anniversary in autumn 2004 but then EMI decided to delay it so that Bowie's other remaining live album, Stage, could be repackaged and released at the same time rather than wait till 2008. Saves on promotional costs this way. All they did was remove the 30th Anniversary line from the packaging of David Love so that and Stage could have packaging in keeping with each other. Pin Ups was not included in the 30th Anniversary series as the two bonus tracks that were included on the 1990 edition have been included on the 30th Anniversary editions of Diamond Dogs and Ziggy Stardust. There are no further Pin Ups era Bowie tracks in circulation at all. In your latest post you don't claim to be a catloagie trainspotter but it does help if you try and remember that small but important fact when you attempt to correct other posters whose knowledge is obviously far greater........Well theres certainly something about you thats far greater. You say that DAVID LIVE is essentially part of the 30th Anniversary series, and I said it didnt include live albums. Per your reminder about the Ziggy Stardust Motion Picture Soundtrack I guess we were both a little bit wrong. I felt it was a soundtrack and as such wasnt a proper live album, and you feel, no doubt attributing it to your "far greater" knowledge, that DAVID LIVE was part of the series even though it clearly does NOT have that inscription. Either way, despite increasing irrelevancy to the topic at hand - the upcoming potential Queen CD sets - it seems very important to you to be right, regardless. So ... go ahead. If it makes you happy. Cheers :) Steve BTW.. you might try editing your posts for spelling/typos if not accuracy. DAVID LIVE not LOVE, and catalogue not cataloagie. |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 05.05.2005 13:09 |
Have there been any more developments? |