| John S Stuart 24.10.2004 22:03 |
As before. Please feel free to contribute. 1974 Sheer Heart Attack Brighton Rock Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 1998 eYe “10 Edit Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S Intro: 06” Total Guitar CD Magazine Starlicks Video Edit Starlicks Video (Originally: Brighton Fuck) Unreleased: Killer Queen Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 KEWB FM US Radio 2:53 Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc Guitar Solo Guitar Techniques November 2001 Backing Track 1 Guitar Techniques November 2001 Backing Track 2 Guitar Techniques November 2001 Exposed Fake Mono Demo Exposed MC 7" Acetate (0:10" Finger Click Intro) Unreleased: Top Of The Pops BBC TV Original Erased: Top Pops Holland TV Video Rock Idols: Video Gems R1051 Top Of The Pops BBC TV Xmas '74 Video Greatest Flix I & II: Pioneer PLMPD 01171 Promotional Video "Retrospection" Greatest Flix I & II: Pioneer PLMPD 01171 Tenement Funster Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 UK 7" Unsegued 3:01 Japan 3" CDS EMI TODP 2252 BBC 04.11.1974 Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc Lammey Tenement 5:51 Racer ISDN: Download Flick Of The Wrist Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 7" Unsegued (3:21) Japan 3" CDS EMI TODP 2252 BBC 04.11.1974 Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc Lily Of The Valley Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 1975 US 7" (1:42) Unsegued Keep Yourself Alive: Elektra E-45268-B Now I'm Here Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 CDs 0:1" Longer Outro (Inc final guitar note) 4:13 CD QUEENS 19: (Show Must Go On Box) BBC 04.11.1974 Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc Intro: 14” Total Guitar CD Magazine Top Of The Pops BBC TV Live Erased: '45 Granada TV Erased: Promotional Video Live Hammersmith Greatest Flix I & II: Pioneer PLMPD 01171 In The Lap Of The Gods Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 Stone Cold Crazy Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 1991 Michael Wagener Remix 2:19 SHA: US 1991 Hollywood HR-61036-2 1991 Michael Wagener Promo CDS 2:17 Remix US CDS Promo Hollywood PRCD-10193-2 1991 Trent Reznor 3:56 Remix US CDS Promo Hollywood PRCD-10193-2 BBC 04.11.1974 Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc 1991 US Hollywood Promotional Video Unreleased: Home Video Dear Friends Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 Misfire Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 Exposed Fake Karaoke 1:49 Exposed MC C-EXP 0491 Lammey Karaoke 2:06 ISDN: Download Exposed Fake Mono Demo Exposed MC Bring Back That Leroy Brown Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 1998 eYe “24 Edit Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S She Makes Me (Storm Trooper In Stilettos) Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 In The Lap Of The Gods... Revisited Album Version Sheer Heart Attack: EMI CDP 7 46206 2 1998 eYe “30 Edit Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside Acapella Version Unreleased: Sheer Heart Attack (Incomplete Original Version) Unreleased: Carousel (Fairground Intro) Unreleased: EMI "Inhouse funfair effects & March" (Feature in the film "House On The Hill") Trident Acetates 2x1 sided LP acetates Side One: All tracks unsegued/seperated. Queen: Unreleased BBC Radio Session, 16th October 1974 Recorded 16.10.1974. Broadcast 04.11.1974. Studio Maida Vale 4, Bob Harris Sounds Of The Seventies. Produced by Jeff Griffin, Engineer unknown. Officially erased by the BBC. Now I’m Here Flick Of The Wrist Stone Cold Crazy Tenement Funster Queen: Unreleased Radio Interview, WBZ FM Boston BBC Unedited Sheer Heart Attack interview Queen: Unreleased Live Rainbow Theatre, London, 31st March 1974 Sheetkickers Bo |
| Maz 24.10.2004 22:26 |
Both with SHA and Queen II, you list certain "Lammey" tracks, which if memory serves, refers to Bart Lammey's fan remixes. Is that true, and if so, why list them? Is there an official tie I don't see? |
| Chaka 24.10.2004 23:12 |
is this: Side One: (Side White) All tracks unsegued/seperated a Sheer Heart Attack or a Queen II acetate? It's been included in the Sheer Heart Attack post, yet I've only ever heard side 1 of Queen II called "Side White". |
| John S Stuart 24.10.2004 23:23 |
Acetate: Sheer Heart Attack. (I wrote this and II at the same time). Remixes: Nothing official I just liked them. |
| Lester Burnham 24.10.2004 23:37 |
Also, wouldn't 'I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside' be a part of the Queen II sessions, as it was in the outro of Seven Seas Of Rhye? |
| John S Stuart 25.10.2004 03:13 |
Also, wouldn't 'I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside' be a part of the Queen II sessions, as it was in the outro of Seven Seas Of Rhye? Acapella: "I Like To Be Beside the seaside". (I wrote this and II) at the same time. |
| Mr. Scully 25.10.2004 03:52 |
Does anybody remember what was the original title of Brighton Rock? It was Rock but the city wasn't Brighton. Damn, my memory... |
| Kai Kurgan 25.10.2004 03:58 |
Great work, John. I´m afraid I missed the "Ulimate Collection" of the first album. Has it been posted yet? If so please post me a link. Many thanx in advance! |
| Bohardy 25.10.2004 05:06 |
I don't remember ever seeing "Brighton Fuck" as a working/alternative title for BR. Anyway, over to our favourite archivist for your answer Martin: Greg Brooks (2002): "Happy Little Fuck was the working title of this song. It was further referred to as Happy Little Day, Blackpool Rock, Bognor Ballad, Southend Sea Scout, Skiffle Rock and Herne Bay. Session engineer Mike Stone is the likely culprit of some of the titles, though like most other bands, Queen frequently employed working titles during the song development process." |
| Sebastian 25.10.2004 05:22 |
The album of effects actually wasn't from EMI, was from Elektra. I should write something about which parts were done were, since I'm very interested in production right now. I'll do it as soon as I get the facts together |
| Serry... 25.10.2004 10:34 |
Great, John! Wonderful research work! It seems like only very few songs have just one known version (Someday One Day etc.). I can very hardly wait for next parts! |
| Benn 25.10.2004 11:10 |
>Greg Brooks (2002): "Happy Little Fuck was the >working title of this song. It was further >referred to as Happy Little Day, Blackpool >Rock, Bognor Ballad, Southend Sea Scout, >Skiffle Rock and Herne Bay. Wasn't that within the *highly informative* (snigger) Record Collector article? |
| Tim Goossen 25.10.2004 12:11 |
John S Stuart wrote: Queen: Live Rainbow Theatre, London, 20th November 1974 Recorded 1974/ Released 1992 In The Lap Of The Gods Bootleg CD Box Of Tricks Official Video Original mono sound recordings. Box Of Tricks most complete version. Procession, Now I'm Here, Ogre Battle, Father To Son, White Queen, Flick Of The Wrist, In The Lap Of The Gods, Killer Queen, March Of The Black Queen, Leroy Brown, Father To Son, Keep Yourself Alive, Liar, Son & Daughter, Stone Cold Crazy, In The Lap Of The Gods, Jailhouse Rock, Modern Times Rock ‘n Roll,Correct me if I'm wrong, but this release is a compilation of the first and second night (19th & 20th Nov.). 3 Songs can be found in unedited form, namely 'son & daughter', 'stone cold crazy' and 'liar'. They appear for instance on The Ultimate Collection II and are wrongly labeled as Adelaide '76. I can't confirm this, but I read somewhere (again ;-) ), that the video was shot during the second night and the sound is from both nights. If this is true, then the unedited songs are from the 19th Nov. as before 'stone cold crazy', there's no speech from Freddie about "the present from the Devil himself". Someone can confirm this? Cheers, Tim |
| John S Stuart 25.10.2004 14:59 |
Kai Kurgan: "...I missed the "Ulimate Collection" of the first album... so please post me a link". link |
| FriedChicken 25.10.2004 15:42 |
"Great, John! Wonderful research work! It seems like only very few songs have just one known version (Someday One Day etc.). I can very hardly wait for next parts! " Because John doesn't list them, it doesn't mean there is no alternate version of those songs. It means John doesn't have an alternate version. Correct me if i'm wrong john.. |
| Serry... 25.10.2004 16:34 |
"...have just one KNOWN version...". I guess all songs have been transformed over the recording session, so there are thousands of versions, but not all of their first versions have been recorded. |
| Wilki Amieva 25.10.2004 17:10 |
I would like to add the infamous In The Lap Of The Gods from Hollywood Record's first pressing of SHA, as it does not seem to be a transfer error but a different master. Also, I wonder why the KEWB version of Killer Queen is included in the above list while other 'radio perfomances' of tracks from the same album are not. I am not criticizing. I just suppose that, as with the edits, you had your reasons. By the way, I can send you a copy of the full fanfarre stuff if you like me to. About Live at Rainbow: I have and old reel of the original 20-minute (?) cinema footage. It has mono audio. Unfortunately, I haven't played it yet as I cannot find the right equipment nor a company to transfer it to DVD without stepping on VHS. Anyway, I wonder if anybody has any info about that edit of the concert. |
| John S Stuart 25.10.2004 18:23 |
Wilki: "By the way, I can send you a copy of the full fanfarre stuff if you like me to". Would that be possible and we could link it here (or somewhere else). If you have the full copy, where does it come from? |
| Wilki Amieva 26.10.2004 09:07 |
I will make space and upload it soon to my (forthcoming) site. I have borrowed this track a long time ago from a friend who was a Frank Zappa collector. Apparently, FZ used the same stuff (not quite the same part though) in one of his tracks - and my friend had the original vinyl from where it came (unfortunately, I cannot find my notes about this particular LP - it seems that I am getting older ;-). I also have the Zappa track (I do not recall its title either - I AM getting older, see?) if somebody wants it. |
| Chaka 26.10.2004 11:23 |
is the Soundcheck (from the Uris Theatre show) actually from Oxford '73? or is it just a similar soundcheck, or is Oxford fake? |
| sausages75 26.10.2004 17:24 |
....so I guess we can conclude, that to the best of JSS's knowledge, there's little in existance that most of us have yet to hear from either Queen II or Sheer Heart Attack..... ...and that's probably because nothing else was recorded rather than anything being lost? |
| Wilki Amieva 26.10.2004 20:28 |
Yes. But remember that you can always create new 'unreleased' stuff if you have access to the master tapes (á la FM Solo Collection). |
| Fenderek 27.10.2004 08:24 |
FriedChicken few days ago in this thread made a valid point: Because John doesn't list them, it doesn't mean there is no alternate version of those songs. It means John doesn't have an alternate version. Correct me if i'm wrong john.. FriedChicken few days ago in other thread wrote pretty much the same: I'm sure there's more. Isn't John just listing his personal collection?Seems like your very important point was completely ignored... Hmmm... I was actually wandering myslef- John, you're stating categorically that Hangman will not appear on the box set- you have the acetate... Was it only ONE Ccopy or maybe you own / know all the copies...? I seem to remember that the last time QP stated that it doesn't exist was some 2-3 years ago, wasn't it? (correct me!) Recently they're not saying ANYTHING about rarities... How the hell do we know they didn't get it from somewhere else...? And- more importantly- are you sure that what is listed here (and in other threads) is absolutely all there is / was...? The same way you have an acetate of Hangman someone else can have an acetate of some other track or some other version and IS willing to donate (or alreday donated ) it to QP? Don't get me wrong John, but... I think I just would like to believe that there's more... How can you be so sure that there isn't...? How do you know that apart from what you have/know there's absolutely nothing else...? Just a question, not attack!!! |
| John S Stuart 27.10.2004 12:01 |
Fenderek: Good questions - the truth is I can't give any guarantees. As far as I know, there are no other copies of a "Hangman" studio version. This information is also coupled with all the denial's coming from the Queen camp. Ofcourse, I can not pre-empt QP, (nor can I assume that they are liars), all I can work on is from "best information available", and state that the source of this info - comes from Queen themselves. (I believe that GB is on record as saying it does NOT exist. Try a Google search to find this). To add some further weight to this position - I have first hand experience from the Freddie box-set, that without my contribution some tracks on that set would not "officially" exist. Other tracks, still don't. (That is NOT a brag - but meant to be an honest answer to an honest question). So - without access to the archives - or not knowing what other folks have in their collection, I can only act on the most reliable information available and act accordingly. All I can say is that "if" another "Hangman" turns up then that may well be released. But I honestly think that the chances of that happening are very slim indeed. |
| brianburnsdavid 27.10.2004 12:04 |
What does this all mean???? It's really vague!!! |
| Fenderek 27.10.2004 12:11 |
John S Stuart wrote: This information is also coupled with all the denial's coming from the Queen camp. Ofcourse, I can not pre-empt QP, (nor can I assume that they are liars), all I can work on is from "best information available", and state that the source of this info - comes from Queen themselves.Thanks- that's the answer I wanted- and well, Greg was here... What information did he leave...? Keep oN good work- I already learned a lot from those threads- was just wandering how exactly does it work. Are they really that hopeless...? |
| Benn 27.10.2004 12:11 |
>vage Or is it just simply: If another copy exists, there's a 50/50 chance it will be on the official release, but John's copy will not be used. If another DOES exist, I'm willing to bet that it won't be included because it will make Greg look ridiculous after years of saying that it categorically does not exist. And we couldn't have that now, could we? |
| Bohardy 27.10.2004 13:41 |
But regarding the Hangman acetate John, you mentioned in your original post that "these acetates were traded on the open market 20 years ago" (possibly not verbatim). Now that to me implies that at least a handful of these (it obviously could mean just two, but my ears hear "quite a few") were circulating back then. Surely only serious collectors would have picked these up? They're not gonna lose these or damage them in any way, are they? These copies have to still be around, treasured by serious collectors like yourself, and then the problem is simply one of QP locating these people. Or is bullock-faeces emanating from my oral orifice? |
| John S Stuart 27.10.2004 14:42 |
FriedChicken: I do not tend to ignore mails. Any points you made (or need to make) - I thought were answered in the thread below. Also, because of certain other commitments (work, family whatever) there are times when I leave the board for long periods - sometimes days - so it is not always possible to answer with an immediate response. So here is the thread to the answers of those points: link Fenderek: Let me simply say, NO other "Hangman" acetate exists, and all known evidence points to this. All known collectors and even Queen productions themselves say this. Therefore in my opinion it will NOT be in the boxsets - because I am NOT willing to share this with QP. brianburnsdavid: The problem with a hypothetical question, is that it can only be resolved with a hypothetical answer. As both question and answer are worthless, on what can we build a solid case? Therefore the hypothetical situation: "what if someone else were to find an other acetate, could QP use that one instead? Then hypothetically the answer could be "yes". However, this line of reasoning, (I think) is based more in hope than reality, as it fails to take account of the fact that these discs are very fragile, deteroiate with playing and finally that at most, only 3 or 4 would have been cut, so chances of a release must be millions to one. (Then again, Brian May does own an acetate of the De Lane Lea sessions - but in the absence of any further info, I believe the above to be true). I hope that clears things up a little for you! The most important bit of info for me though is, whatever happened to the version on the master tapes? It is possible it was never recorded, but if an acetate was cut - why was it not on tape too? Bohardy: When I wrote "THESE acetates were traded on the open market 20 years ago" I did not mean that plural "Hangman" discs existed. If read in the context of the thread - I meant that "THESE FOUR" Trident One-sided 10" acetates: Hangman, Rock 'n roll (Jailhouse Rock), Jesus and Keep Yourself Alive - were all bought as a set (not traded) about 20/5 years ago, and by "open" market I mean outside QP. That is "these four acetates" became publically available. So in context "plural" or "these" does not mean more than one "Hangman". Sorry. |
| Bohardy 27.10.2004 15:34 |
Ah-ha. My mistake, sorry. Still, you can't beat a good bit of misguided optimism. |
| John S Stuart 27.10.2004 16:51 |
Bohardy: Ah-ha. My mistake, sorry. Still, you can't beat a good bit of misguided optimism. No. Indeed not - and I hope your optimism is never dented! We all love happy endings! |
| Wilki Amieva 28.10.2004 09:10 |
A mp3 of 'Carousel' can now be found at link. Sorry for the delay in posting it. |
| John S Stuart 28.10.2004 12:01 |
Wilki: Excellent link. Having just listened - it is becomes blatantly obvious that it is NOT part of "Brigton Rock" at all, but another example of two seperate tracks either edited or cross-faded together. (Seb - where are you?). Which leads to another very interesting question - whatever happed to the "Brighton Rock - stand alone version"? Don't ask me - I don't know either. (Except that if the tape is missing - it no longer survives!) |
| Stu 28.10.2004 15:43 |
John S Stuart wrote: PS: Carousel (Fairground Intro) Unreleased: EMI "Inhouse funfair effects & March" (Feature in the film "House On The Hill") I would like to hear the full version of this track. It is supposed to come from an EMI album of fairground music and marches, but I have not been able to track this down. Any help?Not quite what youre looking for but you may find this info interesting tho.... I have an LP by a band called ''The Fox'' who released an album called ''For Fox Sake'' on Fontana records in 1969 (cat. no. 6309 007). Track 5 side 2 is a 9 and a half minute epic called ''Madame Magical'' which uses the same fairground intro but a longer segment of it. One of the engineers on the album was Roy Baker (no ''Thomas'' in the middle of his credit) which would explain how the same obscure sound effects recording came to be used on both albums. Unfortunately the Fox album is long deleted and as far as I know has never been released on CD, last time I looked it up in Record Collectors price guide it was valued at 50 quid but with Ebay and such it might be a bit easier to pick up a copy now, failing that, as soon as I get a new stylus for my turntable I can create a CD copy for those that might be interested in hearing this gem of an album. Stu. |
| Wilki Amieva 28.10.2004 20:11 |
That is a very interesting connection, Stu. ...And that band is from Brighton! By the way, I am starting to wonder how many tracks feature the same fanfarre recording. |
| Bohardy 28.10.2004 20:20 |
John, I find your last comment a bit bizarre to be honest. If I understand you correctly, you seem to be surprised in some way that the Carousel piece of music is totally distinct to Brighton Rock. What were you expecting to hear on that MP3? Wilki's version purports to be the original Carousel soundscape, and quite obviously Queen decided to use the first 25 seconds of it as an intro to Brighton Rock, fading out Carousel as they fade in their recording of Brighton Rock. We didn't even really need to hear this standalone version of Carousel to know that that's what happened. Or am I totally missing your point? |
| John S Stuart 28.10.2004 20:39 |
Bohardy: You are correct, I did not need to hear it to know that - and perhaps I was re-stating the obvious. What I was trying to point out is - wouldn't it be NICE to hear the "unmixed version" of "Brighton Rock" in a more primitive, raw, stand-alone version which would hopefully echo a more live "feel". I know that the safety masters have been kept - so there is no way that they could be seperated back into different "bits" from that tape (as a safety master is a copy of the finally mixed album). However, if all the original tapes still survived - then this task would not be too difficult, but as this is not the case, then I suppose that by hearing this track - I can at least now imagine how "Brigton Rock" may have sounded without it. (For me with no musical talent or imagination that is a great deal because those "whip cracks" last for a while well past just the opening bit - and the bit employed by Queen is much longer than I originally thought)". I hope that makes some kind of sense. |
| Wilki Amieva 28.10.2004 23:44 |
In theory (and please bear those two words in mind) you should be able to remake that 'stand alone version' from the regular album mix and the original Carousel. I am not saying it is an easy task, but it can be done. |
| John S Stuart 30.10.2004 11:01 |
Stu: Very original and interesting research there. Can you tell me, this band "The Foxx", are they related to the UK mid-1970's band "Foxx" who had hits with "Single Bed" and "Only You Can"? BTW: It's nice when we all pool our collective resources, so that we can bring such details into a sharper focus. That to me, is what a real fan's forum is all about. This is NOT meant as any sort of negative comment - just an observation only - but with the disctinct lack of any official information coming from primary sources like QP, I think that "Queenzone" is the next best place on the planet. We may not have the complete picture in full focus - but what we do have is a really good solid general overview, which is second to none. |
| inu-liger 30.10.2004 11:32 |
John, I wish to share a little bit of information with you. There is a group of people in this one university in the USA who are trying to perfect a totally new and innovative method of transferring vinyl records to hard disk. This method does NOT use a needle, but uses something that literally reads the waveforms, and converts these waveforms to digital wave signals. This way, there is no physical contact with the record. I forget what this technology is called, but it was posted on Brian May's website, and I found it very interesting (in fact, I'd like to get some of my rare records transferred this way). As well, I think it's a bit selfish of you not to share Hangman with QP. Perhaps you should sell it to them and retire with the money instead (you can buy more acetates otherwise!) |
| John S Stuart 30.10.2004 12:16 |
Inu: Thank you for your opinion - but what has "Hangman" to do with a "Sheer Heart Attack" thread? |
| Wilki Amieva 30.10.2004 21:53 |
I know the following do not belong to this thread. Inu: Optical reading of mechanical recordings such as discs and cilynders is more wishful thinking than anything. I know there are some prototypes for vinyl discs, but sound quality is way below the achieved by traditional means. And each disc has to be precisely calibrated. |
| Guy 31.10.2004 14:57 |
The only movie I could find under the title "House On The Hill" on link is from 1914, so I find it unlikely it's the movie you're talking about. Could somebody please shed some light and say specifically what movie was the 'Carousel' music taken from? |
| John S Stuart 31.10.2004 15:08 |
Sorry: House On Haunted Hill. link |
| Guy 31.10.2004 23:34 |
Oh, thanks. I think it's the earlier version of the movie we're talking about (link, because the link you gave points to the remake (I think). |
| John S Stuart 01.11.2004 03:01 |
No - It is the version made in 1999 starring Geoffrey Rush. That is the correct movie. |
| Stu 02.11.2004 01:03 |
John S Stuart wrote: Stu: Very original and interesting research there.I must confess it was more by accident rather than design. I picked up the album on the strength of the opening track, Secondhand Love, which I stumbled upon completely by chance after hearing it on the radio in 1981 and had no idea the fairground section was on the album and was caught thoroughly by surprise when it started. I remember I had nipped into the kitchen quickly to put the kettle on just before the track started and shouted out to my brother ''oi, I was listening to that'' believing he'd put Sheer Heart Attack on! its funny the things that stick with you isnt it. As I mentioned before, as soon as I get a new stylus (currently on order, yay!) Id be happy to knock together a CDR of the album for anyone that would like to hear it. John S Stuart wrote: Can you tell me, this band "The Foxx", are they related to the UK mid-1970's band "Foxx" who had hits with "Single Bed" and "Only You Can"?These are 2 very different beasts (sorry, couldnt resist :) ), the 70s band ''Fox'' (with Noosha and co.) are completely unrelated to the 60s band ''The Fox''. Altho only distinguishable by name due to the definite article at the beginning of the 60s outfit (but missing on the label), by sound they are worlds apart, with ''The Fox'' favouring a harder almost Hendrix style. Wilki wrote: That is a very interesting connection, Stu. ...And that band is from Brighton!Im from Brighton too! Is it known where the actual sound effect recording was made? I think with all these Brighton tie-ins (OK Im completely coincidence) it may well be a recording made on the Pier or down on the front here in Brighton, maybe adding some relevance as to why this particular piece was used, of course it could just be that RTB worked on both albums and had it handy but Im curious now, anyone know? P.S. I wrote originally that the album was released in 1969 but it was infact 1970, I just typed that bit off the top of my head only consulting the album for the cat.no., the rest of my original information is without error tho. |
| John S Stuart 14.11.2004 14:17 |
Wilki: "I would like to add the infamous "In The Lap Of The Gods" from Hollywood Record's first pressing of SHA, as it does not seem to be a transfer error but a different master". OK - I have this disc, and I have listened and re-listened to it, but I can't spot any differences. Can you point them out to me please? (Just to keep my sanity you understand!) |
| Saint Jiub 15.11.2004 00:06 |
Hollywood is missing an: "ooh-ooh - aah-aah" before: "Ev-en in the la-ah-ap ... of the Gah-ah--ds ... ah-ods ....... I live my life for you ..." |
| Wilki Amieva 15.11.2004 09:05 |
Stu: The Fox album was recently reissued on CD with bonus tracks. John: The difference is well described by Rip. Perhaps you have a corrected pressing of the album. The first one has matrix 2 61036-2 SRC=01, while the second has 206 161 036-2 02%. I will post a comparative mp3 with excerpts from both versions if you want me to. (Yes, I know I still have to upload Procession). |
| John S Stuart 15.11.2004 10:31 |
Wilki: Thanks for the offer - but I have both discs here so I will try it out again. My full matrix number is: 2 61036-2 SRC=01 MIS 3. I also thought it was a bad edit, rather than a different mix, but I will try them both out later, and feedback my results. Cheers. |
| Wilki Amieva 15.11.2004 10:43 |
I have checked again and the full matrix number of my copy continues with a M1S18 mark (which is microperforated on the reflective surface rather than being on the surface itself as the first numbers). |
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John S Stuart wrote: I know that the safety masters have been kept - so there is no way that they could be seperated back into different "bits" from that tape (as a safety master is a copy of the finally mixed album). However, if all the original tapes still survived - then this task would not be too difficult, but as this is not the case, then I suppose that by hearing this track - I can at least now imagine how "Brigton Rock" may have sounded without it. A safety copy is just a further transfer of a recording for backup. The term "safety copy" doesn't transmit any information in regards to whether such a tape is a backup of a multitrack or a stereo mixdown recording. The fact that Killer Queen has been re-mixed for 5.1 also confirms they have multitrack sources for the album. I can't remember what it was on - but when referring to the Bo Rap multitrack they worked from for 5.1, it was commented that the tape didn't feature the tape cuts that were made, and the section that were stuck on etc that were present on the true multitrack master - which suggests they also used a safety copy of the multitracks for that. |
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