The Black Queen's Kid 21.02.2019 00:27 |
It's so easy... 1) don't mess up the chronology 2) don't invent things that never happened 3) respect who these people were / are 4) don't use ridiculous plot lines to amp up the drama Bring back this cast and give them a decent script. Then say, "Yes - that's the Band I love and that's how it went down." otherwise find the script writer and hit them repeatedly about the head for being daft. :0) |
Saint Jiub 21.02.2019 01:11 |
Unfortunately $850,000,000 talks ... and a decent script walks ... |
bucsateflon 21.02.2019 07:15 |
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Sheldon 21.02.2019 08:05 |
I don't really have a huge problem with some freedoms with chronology. FBG fit very well in the 1974 story, as one example. Also, I don't have a problem with actual events taking place earlier than they actually did. It was refreshing that the movie ended with Live Aid (so tired of the documentaries where the hero always dies in then end!) and it was only natural that they had to fit the AIDS conversation before that. What I have an enormous problem with is totally invented events, especially since they make Freddie look like a total asshole (maybe he was at times, but not because of these reasons). They did not have a two-year break from performing prior to Live Aid. Period. Freddie did probably not have to beg to be invited back to Queen. Period. Freddie did not suffer a mental breakdown during a press conference. Period. |
Nathan H 21.02.2019 09:29 |
To be honest I'm not that bothered about things they've changed in the film. I agree with what Sheldon said above works well being changed. Without doubt Freddie would've suspected that he had aids a while before Live Aid. I can understand where they made it look like they had a two year break before Live Aid as on The Works Tour they all got bored as it lost its favour quite quick (Roger admitted it too). So tensions would've been high between each other and so they probably would've had at least a year gap like they did between Hot Space and The Works. It's not known how keen Queen were to do Live Aid but it's certain that if they hadn't of played at Live Aid there would've been no more Queen for a while or quite possibly the end of the band. I've read comments about Freddie's behaviour saying that it's been dramatised but how do we know that he didn't act like that? I mean they probably all had their moments but none of us really know what happened and robably only Brian, Roger, John and Jim know as there the ones to have spent the most time with Freddie in situations. All we do is assume and we'll probably never know what it was like to be in Queen. So really it's annoying about the chronological order as I know all the dates for things but I don't think it matters at all in the film. Freddie Mercury, 1982 - "It's only a bloody film, people get so excited about these things". At the end of the day it's a film not a documentary. The film has to appeal to the masses and it has. |
Thistle 21.02.2019 09:46 |
MusicFan15 wrote: Freddie Mercury, 1982 - "It's only a bloody film, people get so excited about these things".I really don't think this applies here. No, it's not a documentary, but it is about one of the most important singers (and bands) in history. It's not something that should be "loosely based". I doubt Freddie would be saying "it's only a bloody film" had he been aware they were going to talk garbage and make him look like a tit. The chronology is annoying at first ban can be seen past. Many of the things in this movie are frankly unforgivable. It's not just a case of subjective taste over a piece of music. This is something people feel passionately about. MusicFan15 wrote: At the end of the day it's a film not a documentary. The film has to appeal to the masses and it has.Yes, and unfortunately if you take away the M, you also get asses. I get that a film has to appeal. But when the man's own band-members and so called friends have a great deal of control over the content, it's kinda sad that they took the route they did. And they're also misinforming a new breed who now think they know more about the band than we do because it was in the film. They've taken a swipe at a man who can't defend himself and they're reaping the financial rewards as a result. That's just callousness. If the cash is more important than the legacy of the band, then they've lost all credit as far as I'm concerned. |
aristide1 21.02.2019 11:10 |
I'm curious what do you think about the accuracy of an Oliver Cromwell film. Do you think it's accurate or just don't care? Well, the Queen movie has the same general public who doesn't really care about accuracy. Can't you just enjoy it like everybody else (or maybe more because you pretend to know additional facts), without stupidly claiming that the band's legacy was stained in exchange for financial rewards? |
Thistle 21.02.2019 12:14 |
I'm not here to discuss Oliver Cromwell. I don't claim to know "additional facts" - this is just another example of you not reading properly, or just taking something that's not there from a comment in an attempt to be snide. If I don't like the film, I don't like it. Simple. Is it your goal to stifle the opinion of those who have alternate views from your own? I'm not stifling anyone else's views, or calling them stupid: I've read what they had to express, and now I'm expressing my view. I'm entitled to my opinion - and if my enjoyment is spoiled by the moments that simply weren't credible, I'll say. It's not for you to call it a stupid claim - nor is it for you to talk for "everybody else". Not "everyone" enjoyed the film, and to claim so is bordering on the stupidity in itself. If you enjoyed it, good for you :) |
aristide1 21.02.2019 12:41 |
I know "stupid" as an offensive word, but I don't intend to offend you. Believe me, you will notice if this will happen. The fact is that ... you're kind of stupid Thistle, and you can't do much about it. It's a reality to me, and everything you post seems to confirm it. |
Thistle 21.02.2019 13:00 |
Your post shows you up for what you are, but hey - If you say so. I couldn't care less what you think, and I won't be drawn into any more discussions with you on this forum, regardless of the topic or pathetic jibe. Don't worry, you don't offend me - I pity you more now, and your comments confirm just how "special" you are. Enjoy your life when you get one. |
aristide1 21.02.2019 16:15 |
You complain about "difficult users" (users?), but in fact you are the difficult one, never assuming what you have just said.
"If I don't like the film, I don't like it. Simple." It's not so simple if it comes as the result of:
...when the man's own band-members and so called friends have a great deal of control over the content, it's kinda sad that they took the route they did. And they're also misinforming a new breed who now think they know more about the band than we do because it was in the film. They've taken a swipe at a man who can't defend himself and they're reaping the financial rewards as a result. That's just callousness. If the cash is more important than the legacy of the band, then they've lost all credit as far as I'm concerned.Do I have the right to contest this superb chain of thoughts without being accused of violating your freedom of expression? Apparently not, because some "users" are more equal than others. |
bucsateflon 21.02.2019 17:53 |
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bucsateflon 21.02.2019 17:55 |
aristide1 wrote: The fact is that ... you're kind of stupid Thistle, and you can't do much about it. It's a reality to me, and everything you post seems to confirm it.True, he is STUPID. he even bragged like a retard about meeting Brian May. |
Donna13 21.02.2019 19:07 |
Freddie’s sister liked the movie, and is now friends with Rami. Peter Freestone liked the movie, although he wishes there had been more humor (because as he said, Freddie loved to laugh). Brian’s wife, Anita, said she loved it and “cried buckets”. Brian and Roger are happy, and they are proud of “the boys”. I read here that one of John’s kids liked the movie. Brian, Roger and Jim Beach are all getting older. They didn’t want other people (such as SBC) to make a big Hollywood movie about Freddie without their input and approval. They didn’t do it for the money. They did it for creative control and peace of mind regarding the story that is told about Freddie and the band. They wanted it to emphasize Freddie, the musican and friend. |
Thistle 21.02.2019 19:58 |
No I didn't, bucsamoron. The post you're referring to was an ironic response to Gerry. Whereas you're just moronic and your band of trolls stick together. |
bucsateflon 21.02.2019 20:21 |
What Gerry? there is no Gerry! We already know you suffer from Multiple Personality Disorder, do you suffer from dementia too? Bring out vocals, your other half demented cloned account, lets see what he has to say. |
Donna13 21.02.2019 20:36 |
Let’s talk about Queen and their projects here. Not personal insults. There’s plenty to talk about. |
Thistle 21.02.2019 23:48 |
Fucksamoron's been using the random article function on wiki - and still fired blanks. Like with his daft pal, I'll not be entering into any more discussions with him. Even my multiple personalities can't be arsed with the idiot. |
Sheldon 22.02.2019 08:00 |
Have you guys thought about the possibility that the pre-Live Aid events in the film might actually describe some events that took place after the Magic Tour? They did have a two-year break from recording after the Magic Tour. The scene of Freddie telling the guys that he has AIDS of course took place in the late 1980s as well. |
spiralstatic 22.02.2019 08:08 |
I thought you meant the song..... "Mama, just tilled the land..." (why was that the first thing to pop into my head?! I think the film was done with the best intent. Surely someone will write another, very different film about Freddie one day, but it'll be after Bri & Rog are no longer with us. If someone wants to begin the script from here who can write well and knows Freddie: I say, by all means - go for it! I can imagine an amazing film about Freddie, focussing more poetically on expressing something about what made him who he was. If it could contain more of Freddie's wit and joy of life and also convey things such as Freddie's drive and how maybe some of Freddie's experiences in childhood drove him in the direction to become who he was too, I think it could be fascinating. Edit because people get hung up on the factual inaccuracies, but what transforms a film into greatness in my view is when it expresses some inner truth. I actually think Bo Rhap does get at something true about Freddie, but it also doesn't get near the whole truth & for sure there could be a way deeper and better film. |
Rick 22.02.2019 10:56 |
It's a film, not a documentary. |
Thistle 22.02.2019 16:29 |
Not looking for a documentary. It can tell the truth and be a good movie without being a documentary. |
Thistle 27.02.2019 13:36 |
I smell a rat. Can you give me a tester? If not, you should be banned. In fact, fuck off. |
runner_70 27.02.2019 20:19 |
The Black Queen's Kid wrote: It's so easy... 1) don't mess up the chronology 2) don't invent things that never happened 3) respect who these people were / are 4) don't use ridiculous plot lines to amp up the drama Bring back this cast and give them a decent script. Then say, "Yes - that's the Band I love and that's how it went down." otherwise find the script writer and hit them repeatedly about the head for being daft. :0)Tell MAylor to stay away from the project and you surely get a pretty accurate movie. Looking forward to "The Dirt" the Mötley Crue movie which is supposed to be accurate |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 27.02.2019 23:51 |
I'd have Joe and Phoebe in the movie more than Mary. I'd also have the true story of how he met Jim, and Jim more scenes as well. Fix the timeline, fix Rami's godawful brain-damaged voice, and stop with the "It's Paul's fault Freddie is sick" bullshit. Also stop making Deaky look like an idiot |
mystique79 01.03.2019 11:50 |
Show the dark sides! - the dark sides of fame - drug use, promiscuity - more arguments between the band That would have allowed the film to actually develop the characters - and to dive into then. It would have made them more human. I would also loved to have seen more of Freddie's background - in Zanzibar + in India. |
miraclesteinway 01.03.2019 15:07 |
I have no problem with Freddie having a moustache when recording We Will Rock You, or FBG in 1974, but I do have a problem with Freddie being blamed for a breakup of the band which never happened. Freddie most definitely knew he wasn't very well by Live Aid, although probably didn't know or didn't want to know what it was, so I don't care about that being in the script. I care about Brian writing We Will Rock You as a slap in the face to Freddie "Screw Him" said Brian just before getting up to clap. I care about Freddie having to grovel which never happened. I care about how much they dissed his solo album and made out like it was to break up the band, which it wasn't even if Queen were in trouble then. I think Brian May has been a total prick over the script, there were so many other routes the film could have taken that would have been better than the sheer crap that we got. It could have been good but it seems that Ego Will Out. |
Thistle 01.03.2019 18:48 |
^ yes, all of this! |
spiralstatic 01.03.2019 23:23 |
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Saint Jiub 02.03.2019 01:04 |
miraclesteinway wrote: I have no problem with Freddie having a moustache when recording We Will Rock You, or FBG in 1974, but I do have a problem with Freddie being blamed for a breakup of the band which never happened. Freddie most definitely knew he wasn't very well by Live Aid, although probably didn't know or didn't want to know what it was, so I don't care about that being in the script. I care about Brian writing We Will Rock You as a slap in the face to Freddie "Screw Him" said Brian just before getting up to clap. I care about Freddie having to grovel which never happened. I care about how much they dissed his solo album and made out like it was to break up the band, which it wasn't even if Queen were in trouble then. I think Brian May has been a total prick over the script, there were so many other routes the film could have taken that would have been better than the sheer crap that we got. It could have been good but it seems that Ego Will Out.Excellent post ... |
bucsateflon 02.03.2019 11:40 |
After reading the comments about the movie I see that for every pertinent observation about the screenplay fails there is just as much idiotic ideas and beliefs thrown in together. |
Holly2003 02.03.2019 12:29 |
bucsateflon wrote: After reading the comments about the movie I see that for every pertinent observation about the screenplay fails there is just as much idiotic ideas and beliefs thrown in together.I'm sure we'll all be in for a treat when you get around to telling us your intelligent and interesting views on the film. |
Invisible Woman 02.03.2019 12:40 |
Maybe one day someone made new movie about Freddie with screenplay based more on true facts than fiction, who knows. |
Thistle 02.03.2019 14:10 |
Holly2003 wrote:Don't hold your breathbucsateflon wrote: After reading the comments about the movie I see that for every pertinent observation about the screenplay fails there is just as much idiotic ideas and beliefs thrown in together.I'm sure we'll all be in for a treat when you get around to telling us your intelligent and interesting views on the film. |