Holly2003 11.01.2019 14:14 |
Today is the tenth anniversary of the release of TCR .... give or take 4 months. That's close enough for government work, as the saying goes. I really think this was a missed opportunity -- the second big missed opportunity of their post-Fred musical careers. The first was not continuing under another name as a new band. The 2nd was the half arsed effort they made on TCR. Rodgers was a big name and had genuine rock and blues credentials. But the album is mediocre. Because Brian was off saving badgers, counting cosmic dust particles, and trying to see into the 4th dimension through Patrick Moore's telescope, he phoned in his parts. That left Roger and Rodgers to write most of the tracks. Some of them are okay. Just okay. Mostly they are forgettable. There isn't a single vocal moment from Rodgers that really stands out. In fact, Runaway, not on the album, is more interesting vocally than anything on it. Instrumentally, it's all very dull. Brian playing 12 bar, sampling WWRY etc. Brian playing bass like he had boxing gloves on. Roger was better but not by much. It felt very much like music by and for old people. Rawk! nor rock. But think what might have been if the fuckers didn't have the weight of the Queen brand on their backs. Maybe a blues album to show off Rodgers' voice? (Although Roger Taylor should play guitar and Brian should do drums as Brian's the worst blues player I've ever heard) :p Or let Brian write The Call-type songs -- "Queen's" last grand musical composition -- but let Rodgers write the lyrics so we don't have to suffer through Brian lyrics such as: "My country stored it's wealth and now it can't figure why But the rest of the world wants it back now They got no weapons so they just bug us for the crack now" For fucks sake. Musically it's a James Bond theme on the scale of Live and Let Die. Lyrically, it's on a par with the Teletubbies theme song, although at least I can sing that. A lost opportunity indeed. Now all they are is a nostalgia band playing greatest hits to an audience of slack-jawed, phone-obsessed nitwits... ... and breathe. |
Golden Salmon 11.01.2019 16:07 |
I don't want to say bad things about it because it's one of the few "Queen" projects I haven't been able to actively get into and listen thoroughly. Funny, I probably played it about 3 times and... it's like something's blocking my enjoyment and memory of it. I can't bring myself to care about it. Beyond that, I very much prefer the solo versions / variations of the tracks in it, and those I am very much fond of.
Paul Rodgers was a mistake, but it's history now.
Holly2003 wrote: In fact, Runaway, not on the album, is more interesting vocally than anything on it.Interestingly, that song is the only non-Queen song ever featured in a "Queen" single played by "Queen" members. Too bad I just can't omit the quotes. |
Ale Solan 11.01.2019 16:08 |
TCR released September 15 2008 in Europe, October 28 for USA |
Ale Solan 11.01.2019 16:09 |
Golden Salmon wrote: I don't want to say bad things about it because it's one of the few "Queen" projects I haven't been able to actively get into and listen thoroughly. Funny, I probably listened to it about 3 times and... it's like something's blocking my enjoyment and memory of it. I can't bring myself to care about it. Beyond that, I very much prefer the solo versions / variations of the tracks in it, and those I am very much fond of. Paul Rodgers was a mistake, but it's history now.Avoid the quotes, is not Queen. Period.Holly2003 wrote: In fact, Runaway, not on the album, is more interesting vocally than anything on it.Interestingly, that song is the only non-Queen song ever featured in a "Queen" single played by "Queen" members. Too bad I just can't omit the quotes. |
Mr Mercury 11.01.2019 22:48 |
Holly2003 wrote: Today is the tenth anniversary of the release of TCR .... give or take 4 months. That's close enough for government work, as the saying goes. I really think this was a missed opportunity -- the second big missed opportunity of their post-Fred musical careers. The first was not continuing under another name as a new band. The 2nd was the half arsed effort they made on TCR. Rodgers was a big name and had genuine rock and blues credentials. But the album is mediocre. Because Brian was off saving badgers, counting cosmic dust particles, and trying to see into the 4th dimension through Patrick Moore's telescope, he phoned in his parts. That left Roger and Rodgers to write most of the tracks. Some of them are okay. Just okay. Mostly they are forgettable. There isn't a single vocal moment from Rodgers that really stands out. In fact, Runaway, not on the album, is more interesting vocally than anything on it. Instrumentally, it's all very dull. Brian playing 12 bar, sampling WWRY etc. Brian playing bass like he had boxing gloves on. Roger was better but not by much. It felt very much like music by and for old people. Rawk! nor rock. But think what might have been if the fuckers didn't have the weight of the Queen brand on their backs. Maybe a blues album to show off Rodgers' voice? (Although Roger Taylor should play guitar and Brian should do drums as Brian's the worst blues player I've ever heard) :p Or let Brian write The Call-type songs -- "Queen's" last grand musical composition -- but let Rodgers write the lyrics so we don't have to suffer through Brian lyrics such as: "My country stored it's wealth and now it can't figure why But the rest of the world wants it back now They got no weapons so they just bug us for the crack now" For fucks sake. Musically it's a James Bond theme on the scale of Live and Let Die. Lyrically, it's on a par with the Teletubbies theme song, although at least I can sing that. A lost opportunity indeed. Now all they are is a nostalgia band playing greatest hits to an audience of slack-jawed, phone-obsessed nitwits... ... and breathe.I think most of what you say is very true actually, especially regarding Brian. As far as Im concerned his input was really lacking and on a couple of songs his stuff did have a large hint of "phoned in" about it. I tend to look on that album as more of a Paul and Roger album in that sense because of Brian getting sidelined with all that badger saving, interplanetary dust, stereo photography stuff. And it is a pity because that album could have been so much better. That said, I did actually like the album. Was it "Queen standard"? Well no, and it was never likely to be as Paul isnt Freddie and didnt pretend to be. He had a hugely successful career in both Free and Bad Company. As you say, it was a lost opportunity indeed. |
AlbaNo1 12.01.2019 01:20 |
It’s on a par with some of the Queen members solo albums, can’t be compared with a Queen album. |
FlorianS 12.01.2019 07:54 |
I was astonished how little attention TCR got from press and public. And I still think that C-Lebrity was a very bad choice as single. That song probaby made sure that people who may have been interested avoided the album after hearing that song. |
Jekaling 12.01.2019 08:10 |
May, Taylor and Rogers should have been use instead of Queen + Paul Rogers since it’s not Queen. |
eYe 12.01.2019 09:02 |
TCR was not released on January 11 2009, but exactly on that day I stopped smoking - now that's a 10th anniversary :) I like some songs though, Warboys, Through the Night and Voodoo especially. And yes, as a huge fan of Crime Story, where the original was the title song, I love the itunes bonus song Runaway. |
Invisible Woman 12.01.2019 09:07 |
I don't like The Cosmos Rocks. |
matt z 12.01.2019 09:15 |
I tried to like it. It's an anomaly. A very dull and awkward album from rock greats. Kinda sad that it was so bad. I liked SMALL and some things that glitter was pretty good. Just horribly stripped down and needed a time change. |
runner_70 12.01.2019 09:20 |
I rather listen to TCR on repeat than listening to 10 seconds of Lamebutt raping a QUeen song |
Star* 12.01.2019 09:50 |
To me any album is dull if Freddie is not on it. I do admire Paul Rodgers but the "Cosmos Rocks" was a poor album and Roger Taylor did struggle with the song writing on that album, even some of his own solo material is drivel. |
mr mason 12.01.2019 16:52 |
No redeeming features! Fucking terrible!! |
Ale Solan 12.01.2019 18:10 |
The only decent song from TCR was a Queen song from 1986. Go figure. |
mooghead 12.01.2019 18:57 |
Never listened to it. Is it any good? |
Ale Solan 12.01.2019 19:37 |
mooghead wrote: Never listened to it. Is it any good?As good as a diarrhea milkshake. |
Saint Jiub 12.01.2019 19:55 |
I think parts of this album are good (Mostly Roger songs) and find part of this diarrhea milkshake to be quite tasty. I actually listened to the CD a few months ago. I particularly enjoy Cosmos Rockin', Small, Call Me, C-lebrity, Surf's Up... School's Out, and Small (Reprise). It might be true that Roger's lyrics are daft, but I find his lyrics endearingly fun. |
runner_70 12.01.2019 20:10 |
Ale Solan wrote: The only decent song from TCR was a Queen song from 1986. Go figure.The self important assclown is back - sitting in front of the screen trying to be all important againg with cryptic hints only himself knows. Too bad noone took you seriously lol. |
runner_70 12.01.2019 20:12 |
C-lebrity was a good song especially lyric wise. They hated those Casting muppets back then. And rightly so. Too bad 10 years later those two hippocrites sold out and tour with exactly such a "Thing" they once hated |
runner_70 12.01.2019 20:13 |
Holly2003 wrote: Or let Brian write The Call-type songs -- "Queen's" last grand musical composition --We finally found the one guy who thinks The Call is a great song lol |
Ale Solan 12.01.2019 20:20 |
runner_70 wrote:If you were a Queen fan you'd know. Of course you don't know, you're a retard who's here only to talk nonsense and have no life at all. Do us a favor and shoot yourself in the face.Ale Solan wrote: The only decent song from TCR was a Queen song from 1986. Go figure.The self important assclown is back - sitting in front of the screen trying to be all important againg with cryptic hints only himself knows. Too bad noone took you seriously lol. |
runner_70 12.01.2019 22:25 |
Enlighten us with you knowledge asshole. There was no Queen song on TCR from 1986 you wanker |
Ale Solan 12.01.2019 23:54 |
runner_70 wrote: Enlighten us with you knowledge asshole. There was no Queen song on TCR from 1986 you wankerLOL, point proved. You know no shit about Queen. Butterfly, song by Brian from AKOM sessions (1986), it became Some things that glitter You're welcome, asswipe. |
Ale Solan 12.01.2019 23:58 |
Now fuck off and leave room for the real Queen fans. I recommend you other sites on the deep web about pedophilia and zoophilia that you will really enjoy as the sick fuck, lifeless sack of shit you are. |
Saint Jiub 13.01.2019 00:35 |
There's just one thing That we QZ'ers crave From the cradle To the grave ... Unfortunately we QZ'ers especially relish responding to trolls ... |
runner_70 13.01.2019 07:39 |
Ale Solan wrote:You said it was a Queen song from 1986. Butterfly has nothing to do with a 1986 queensong you fuckwhitrunner_70 wrote: Enlighten us with you knowledge asshole. There was no Queen song on TCR from 1986 you wankerLOL, point proved. You know no shit about Queen. Butterfly, song by Brian from AKOM sessions (1986), it became Some things that glitter You're welcome, asswipe. |
Star* 13.01.2019 08:46 |
To be fair here "Butterfly" never made the final cut on the "Magic" album so that was quite unfair to slag "Runner" off. |
runner_70 13.01.2019 08:55 |
EMI2565 wrote: To be fair here "Butterfly" never made the final cut on the "Magic" album so that was quite unfair to slag "Runner" off.Yup you could have also said that Brian had this song in mind in 1974 ;) Butterfly was a lil snippet in the 1986 recordings that has nothing to do with the final song |
runner_70 13.01.2019 08:58 |
BTW Thats what I got as pm from Ale solan on FB "Someone with your mental probs shouldn't be in front of a computer. The best you can have it's to be in the nuthouse or ever better... get yourself a gun and shoot straight in the head. Hey, don't miss it okay?" |
mooghead 13.01.2019 09:30 |
Grow up children |
Holly2003 13.01.2019 09:51 |
runner_70 wrote:You seem to have some reading and comprehension problems.Holly2003 wrote: Or let Brian write The Call-type songs -- "Queen's" last grand musical composition --We finally found the one guy who thinks The Call is a great song lol |
runner_70 13.01.2019 09:55 |
From ultimatequeen: Some Things That Glitter Track 9. Written by Queen and Paul Rodgers. Length 4:03. This track was later recorded as an acoustic version by Kerry Ellis in 2010 (featuring Brian) for her debut album 'Anthems', retitled as 'I Loved A Butterfly'. A live version was also released on the 'Acoustic By Candlelight' album in 2013. Some sources suggest the track started as a Piano Solo, known as 'Butterfly', which was recorded during the 1986 'A Kind Of Magic' sessions, although I cannot hear any similarities myself SO the self declared expert should eat his words. Sad sod trying to act as Mr Know It All. |
Star* 13.01.2019 14:16 |
Here here, take a bow ! lol |
Viper 13.01.2019 15:02 |
I Believe and Say It's Not True are actually very good songs! |
Ale Solan 13.01.2019 15:36 |
runner_70 = Martin Weckwerth He's also trolling at the QZ facebook group, everyone is blockin' him. The guy has serious mental problems. Let's hope he's banned for life very soon. EMI2565, another troll, deserves to be banned as well. If you find Martin on facebook, avoid him. link ----------- Little example: ">link |
runner_70 13.01.2019 16:09 |
You all read what this Ale guy wrote me. Case closed I guess |
runner_70 13.01.2019 16:25 |
Another statement from him on FB towards me: "LOL what a sad cun you are, really... you should consider to kill yourself, a relief for your family, if any around. He is not even able to write "cunt" lol. And this guy tells ME I am the guy with mental probs lol . FUnny as hell |
john bodega 14.01.2019 15:10 |
The album stinks on ice, but I had a thought about it the other day - the only possible person I can imagine making We Believe work is Elton John. I was listening to his schmaltzy 90's shit and it suddenly clicked. Paul Rodgers tries to sing it and it just sounds like a confused bar singer trying to read Brian's Soapbox to a musical backing. |
john bodega 14.01.2019 15:11 |
"He's also trolling at the QZ facebook group, everyone is blockin' him" Wouldn't be surprised if he's just a John Blunt alt, that guy is known for talking to himself on multiple accounts. |
Ale Solan 14.01.2019 16:21 |
john bodega wrote: The album stinks on ice, but I had a thought about it the other day - the only possible person I can imagine making We Believe work is Elton John. I was listening to his schmaltzy 90's shit and it suddenly clicked. Paul Rodgers tries to sing it and it just sounds like a confused bar singer trying to read Brian's Soapbox to a musical backing.LOL |
Ale Solan 14.01.2019 16:21 |
john bodega wrote: "He's also trolling at the QZ facebook group, everyone is blockin' him" Wouldn't be surprised if he's just a John Blunt alt, that guy is known for talking to himself on multiple accounts.Ya think? |
john bodega 15.01.2019 05:18 |
I mean, not in the comedic sense - in a spooky 'I will come after anyone who criticises me' way. |
Ale Solan 15.01.2019 05:26 |
john bodega wrote: I mean, not in the comedic sense - in a spooky 'I will come after anyone who criticises me' way.lol, we're not afraid of him, don'tcha worry (?) |
Papa Emeritus IV 15.01.2019 19:39 |
“THE UNHOLY FATHER PAPA EMERITUS IV SHALL PUNISH MAYLOR FOR THIS DISGRACEFUL RECORD. THE COSMOS SHALL ROCK THEIR PITYFUL INFIDEL ASSES. AND PAUL R. SHALL BE DESTINED TO WALK ON ETERNALLY WITHOUT A WIG.” The Clergy has spoken! “ALL HAIL TO THE UNHOLY PAPA EMERITUS IV !!! ... THOU SHALL ALL OBEY HIM !!! |
bucsateflon 16.01.2019 08:44 |
what about this imbecile paps here? |
john bodega 16.01.2019 14:33 |
"lol, we're not afraid of him, don'tcha worry" Nobody is, but that doesn't make it any less tiresome - he has this weird feud with the guy I play Brian for, and the less I know about it the happier I am, but the longer it goes on the uglier it gets and I'm kind of like .. can't we just all get along. All I want to do is play me guitar. |
Papa Emeritus IV 16.01.2019 15:26 |
“THEN GO PLAY THE GUITAR INSTEAD OF WHINING LIKE A LITTLE GIRL HERE ON THE FORUM. YOU FUCKIN LITTLE SISSY” The Clergy had spoken! ALL HAIL TO PAPA EMERITUS IV !!! THOU SHALL ALL OBEY HIM !!! |
john bodega 17.01.2019 06:19 |
hey they deleted that spammer |
thomasquinn 32989 17.01.2019 06:59 |
My family has a tradition, dating to the late 16th century, of murdering Catholic clergy. See this for details. I'm merely pointing this out as an interesting tidbit of historical information, of course. Any bearing it might have on any troll here is purely coincidental and without consequence, of course... |
Mark_Glasgow 17.01.2019 12:01 |
Not sure how this discussion has descended into a playground argument, but TCR has nothing to do with Queen as its an embarrassment. For those who still argue that Queen didn't die in 1991 along with Freddie, this is exhibit A for the prosecution. Case closed. |
Star* 17.01.2019 12:04 |
Paul Rodgers is a legend a rocker and a great guy, Adam Lambert on the other hand is a nobody with no impressive past. |
john bodega 17.01.2019 14:10 |
^ can't argue against that, although by some weird magic they both managed to be just as wrong for the band. |
Papa Emeritus IV 17.01.2019 15:01 |
"Paul and Adam should suck each others dick at the same time, so no one has to listen to the crap that's coming out of their throats when they're 'singing'" The Clergy has spoken !! ALL HAIL TO THE EVIL PAPA EMERITUS IV !!! THOU SHALL ALL OBEY HIM !!! |
john bodega 18.01.2019 08:26 |
^ can't argue against that, although by some weird magic wait what the fuck? |
Michael Allred 18.01.2019 14:11 |
I liked TCR or more like 2/3 of it anyway. |
RON_JEREMY_fucks_your_wife_hard 19.01.2019 00:36 |
I always listen to the Cosmos album when I have digestive problems “I’M THE ONE AND ONLY RON JEREMY - NICKNAMED ‘THE HEDGEHOG’. I’M THE KING OF PORN AND ALWAYS RIGHT. MY HOBBIES ARE FUCKING SOMEONE ELSE’S WIFE AND BOWLING” |
PAPA EMERITUS XIV 20.01.2019 19:36 |
The cosmos sucks |
Adam Is The Best! 20.01.2019 19:53 |
Queen should make an album with Adam. They need him to become popular among younger fans. |
john bodega 21.01.2019 14:25 |
"They need him to become popular among younger fans" Turns out all they needed was a biopic;, it gave them a lot more buzz than any two dimensional game show contestant ever will. |
Star* 21.01.2019 15:25 |
Get real do you honestly think Queen would be so desperate to record with Adam Lambert? Lambert is a Z lister in the music world. |
Thistle 21.01.2019 15:41 |
EMI2565 wrote: Get real do you honestly think Queen would be so desperate to record with Adam Lambert? Lambert is a Z lister in the music world.1 - the comment you're replying to is from yet another spoof account. They're ripping the piss, you're giving them a platform. 2 - Yes, Queen will record with Lambert. If they're "desperate" (your words) to perform live with him, they'll almost certainly record with him at some point. |
matt z 24.01.2019 18:36 |
Could someone explain to me what COSMOS ROCKIN is about? It's pretty obtuse |
Ale Solan 24.01.2019 18:59 |
matt z wrote: Could someone explain to me what COSMOS ROCKIN is about? It's pretty obtuseThis is video will explain it better than me. |
matt z 24.01.2019 21:39 |
I'm afraid that doesn't answer my question. I'm sorry, but I wish someone could explain COSMOS ROCKIN' to me, since I am not an astronomer and am admittedly somewhat ignorant on the subject of celestial bodies. Who's got the cosmos rockin, and how, and what's meant by the voice over? What's the significance of "the boys"? Is it a 2001 SPACE ODYSSEY analogy? I'm absolutely lost on this. |
matt z 31.07.2019 21:59 |
matt z wrote: I'm afraid that doesn't answer my question. I'm sorry, but I wish someone could explain COSMOS ROCKIN' to me, since I am not an astronomer and am admittedly somewhat ignorant on the subject of celestial bodies. Who's got the cosmos rockin, and how, and what's meant by the voice over? What's the significance of "the boys"? Is it a 2001 SPACE ODYSSEY analogy? I'm absolutely lost on this.I too, am lost by the scope of the track. What is meant by Sock it To Me? The meaning is far too abstract |
Jeremy 07.08.2019 21:02 |
I think there's a few issues with TCR that stop it from reaching its full potential. 1. There's a weird EQ bump at around 1k -2k to which our ears are very sensitive, which we tend to find off putting. You won't find much of a frequency bump like this in most of the classic Queen catalog or Brian's solo albums. This could be down to the listening environment in which the album was mixed or simply aging ears, as we tend to lose some sensitivity to that frequency as we age. Steve Perry's recent album also features a bit of a bump at this particular frequency. Here's an example where I knocked that frequency bump back a little. Re-EQ'd version plays, then the original. It's subtle, but to my ears the version without the bump leaves less of a bad taste in your mouth, audio wise, if that makes sense. It's a bit less pinched and nasally sounding. (Not referring to Paul's voice which is amazing, just to the overall totality of the audio) 2. Not all hands were on deck. Brian was devoting the majority of his time to his PhD and the "Bang!" book and I imagine was being run ragged trying to complete everything in the same time frame. I think musicians tend to resort to the Status Quo rock a doodle doo type stuff when we don't have time to labor over material or are disillusioned with a project. See Van Halen's 2004 recorded material as an example. The lyrics got progressively more slapstick and throwaway as the project wore on before it was finally abandoned. The progression from "Learning To See" (first track completed) to "Up For Breakfast" (last track completed) is eye opening. 3. Much of it was recorded live. "Let's just go in there and play". Sometimes that works great and since they had such great live chemistry I can see why they chose that route, but I don't think it served many of the performances. Paul vocals sound less precise than his usual studio standard on many songs and a lot of Brian's leads sound less composed than usual. Overall, I feel like this album had quite a lot of potential and some really great material to build on if they could've slowed down and really labored over it like "Innuendo" or "Made In Heaven"...etc. I will also say that I miss Paul playing with them. |
matt z 20.08.2019 01:08 |
Damn good point. I don't have anything here but some general ear buds to gauge it (no wavelength exams) but there's clearly a shelf that flattens the natural ambience. Hadn't noticed this much on the album since I've only heard it like 5 times |
Holly2003 20.08.2019 11:08 |
"or simply aging ears" Yes, spot on. People tend to think we're all listening to the same thing but actually age affects what we hear. |
Galileo1564 21.08.2019 02:54 |
Interesting comparison. The re-EQ’d version sounds more integrated. It’s easier for me to hear the bass. In the original it’s harder for me to hear so it sounds more to me like two things stuck together, if that makes any sense. That’s the way I hear the difference. Or the strongest way. I played flute in middle school and high school, and 1st year at uni a bit. 1-2 K is just the upper register. I had to work to teach my ear to hear bass. I think people’s ears naturally gravitate towards different things. Percussion tends to be the last thing I hear. (Or most quiet.) I enjoy Roger’s songs more if I focus a bit more on the drums. |
Day dop 31.10.2019 02:31 |
Wow, people really don't like that Runner_70 clown. |
Day dop 31.10.2019 02:33 |
Ale Solan wrote: runner_70 = Martin Weckwerth He's also trolling at the QZ facebook group, everyone is blockin' him. The guy has serious mental problems. Let's hope he's banned for life very soon. EMI2565, another troll, deserves to be banned as well. If you find Martin on facebook, avoid him. link ----------- Little example: ">link |