QueenZone discussion #1510010

runner_70 wrote: The less anyone knows about this mess the better

Kuijpy wrote: For her is Amdam Lambert a sick obsession.. Please talk to a therapist.

SweetCaroline wrote: The couch is back? No one cares what you think, icy! Go away!

snifflese wrote: Ok, Icy, I am not sure I really appreciate the snifflese defending business. You talk about her pulling in others to defend her. Just a day or two ago you mentioned civil chats with Rockchic and me and now you mention Rockchic again. That is exactly what you are always trying to do to bolster your views. Pot shouldn't be calling the kettle black! Caroline can bring over links and remarks about the concert. Yesterday you had a nasty remark when she posted the most darling picture of Brian. This is a thread for fans. You are not one, so go somewhere else, if it bugs you that much. Caroline provides a service for some people who may not know where to look for info. That is whatAngelR, has been doing on QOL and another rocker has been linking things. No one, including you, is complaining over there. You just complain here because it is Caroline. You absolutely have it in for her and I don't understand why. No wonder she wants you to go away and leave her alone. Remember scroll can be your friend so that we don't have to read all your bitching. You don't like the new songs except for Play the Game, no problem. But to say Adam can't sing anything from Innuendo is ridiculous. Good thing the Queen MEMBERS make the decisions. Ultimately, it is up to them. Lucy fit right in and took so little time away from the 135 minute show. I think it was a nice show of respect and I appreciate that Brian and Roger do that for Adam. It is selfish to want every Queen song. How come Rodgers could sing a bunch of his stuff and it wasn't a problem. Can you explain that? He sang a lot more than one song.

snifflese wrote: Right Icy, just bring up ALL THE CRAP you have already stated a million and one times. You are like a dog with a bone and you just never let go. I can't imagine trying to deal with you in real life!! Can you let the past just go and talk about current things. I would hate to count how many times the ban has come up and how many times Nate has been mentioned. It is enough already. Think of something NEW to say. You didn't answer why Adam can't have 3-4 minutes for a song of his, but Rodgers could sing several. You never answer new questions, you just throw old crap you have said a million times at peope and then you wait to see what sticks. It is beyond ridiculous to ask if Caroline gets paid. Go on QOL and ask the people who provided links for this new leg of the show and the Lisbon info. Why do you only throw crap at Caroline? I would love to know that? I never mentioned Two Fux and it actually is not my favorite song. You keep responding to things that make no sense and you throw everything at somebody! WHY?? There is no purpose to that kind of a post.

Fordy1974 wrote: The original concept of Q+PR was to play 50/50 of PR material and Queen material, but it was Paul's decision to cut that back because Queen had not been on the road for so long. As Brian said in a newspaper piece published on the morning of the Brixton gig, playing Paul's material was an integral part of them wanting to go out on the road with him. Lucy for me was a ten times better choice than Two Fux, but there were still looks of disinterest from those around me in Lisbon and in general in the arena when it was played (but they didn't all flock to the toilets/bar like people last year during Two Fux!!!)

snifflese wrote: Right Icy, just bring up ALL THE CRAP you have already stated a million and one times. You are like a dog with a bone and you just never let go. I can't imagine trying to deal with you in real life!! Can you let the past just go and talk about current things. I would hate to count how many times the ban has come up and how many times Nate has been mentioned. It is enough already. Think of something NEW to say. You didn't answer why Adam can't have 3-4 minutes for a song of his, but Rodgers could sing several. You never answer new questions, you just throw old crap you have said a million times at peope and then you wait to see what sticks. It is beyond ridiculous to ask if Caroline gets paid. Go on QOL and ask the people who provided links for this new leg of the show and the Lisbon info. Why do you only throw crap at Caroline? I would love to know that? I never mentioned Two Fux and it actually is not my favorite song. You keep responding to things that make no sense and you throw everything at somebody! WHY?? There is no purpose to that kind of a post.

Fordy1974 wrote: The original concept of Q+PR was to play 50/50 of PR material and Queen material, but it was Paul's decision to cut that back because Queen had not been on the road for so long. As Brian said in a newspaper piece published on the morning of the Brixton gig, playing Paul's material was an integral part of them wanting to go out on the road with him. Lucy for me was a ten times better choice than Two Fux, but there were still looks of disinterest from those around me in Lisbon and in general in the arena when it was played (but they didn't all flock to the toilets/bar like people last year during Two Fux!!!)

runner_70 wrote: No one knows Lamebird in Europe. His albums all flopped. In The US he had some popularity because of AI. But that is long gone. His solo career is over - and so is his musical career once QAL is over (which is hopefully soon). He will just be a sad footnote in the big Queen book. (I hated him being included in the Queen 3D book

runner_70 wrote: always defending your idol. If not even his greatest fans (if there are one) know his music that says a lot doesnt it? Point proven-thank you. Ahhh I see - it is due to streaming lol

Sealion wrote: Why do some people here think, that Lambert-fans don’t know his songs? I had to go to one of his shows (the things, you have to do... I took my then 13 year old to her first Queen gig 2015 and she loved it. But it’s not only Queen, she started listening to. Lol). Ok. I went there. And I felt as if I was the only one, who didn’t know the songs. People around me in the back were all singing along. It was a nice show and the best of it was seeing my DD having a great time. The only negative thing I remember is, that the Hammersmith Apollo was filled to the rafters and you could barely move to the bar. I‘ve never witnessed the place filled up like this.

snifflese wrote: There you go, Icy, you just proved my point again with the regurgitation of old crap!! Let it go and start anew! I still don't understand why clumping Rodgers and Queen makes for a great show, but to each his own. Being a rock icon doesn't mean that you can make it work with another group that has a totally different kind of music, but that is just my opinion and you are welcome to yours. I do not think that Adam should be singing more than one song. I just think it is a nice gesture on the part of Roger and Brian to allow him to have 3-4 minutes out a whole show for a song of his. Two Fux was not a good fit and TBH, I have never liked What do you want from me. I do think that Lucy is the best fit esp. since Brian played on the original. I don't think that playing one song is unreasonable. I have never heard any of Adam's fans clamoring for more. But since he does have fans there, I feel Lucy is a nice thing to do. I have been to concerts where I haven't known all the words or even recognized some songs and it doesn't ruin the concert for me, so I don't understand why that is such a problem. Some of you make it sound like the whole concert stops because there is a "different" song that fans may not know. Sometimes bands play a brand new song and nobody knows it, so I am not sure why one Adam song is such a huge deal. I am not sure that it is a problem anywhere but here.

SweetCaroline wrote: OMG another show tomorrow in Barcelona, Hope their fingers and vocal cords hold up!

SweetCaroline wrote: I was including Roger in both the fingers (hands) and vocal cords category! Is there nothing that is safe from criticism? Yes, every single one of these shows is MAGNIFICENT and because of every single member of the cast and crew! They are top notch professionals

runner_70 wrote: Pilip storey - thanks for the review. SC and her sad bunch of lunatics are ignoring it (as expected) as their argument ("you have to be there") wont fit in your case as you actually WERE there. Those bits you mentioned I can imagine how hard it must be to see this annoying guy fronting this once awesome band. They have passed the embarrassing mark LONG ago now. They hsould have tetried in dignity after the fitting end with Made in Heaven, which was 23 years ago. Instead they keen dragging the Queen name thru the dirt for ages now. QPR was decent as it was believable but this collaboration is just wrong on every level imaginable. An utter disgrace for longtime QUeen & Freddie fans. I never expected them to step so low. But the mighty $ gets you so low I guess

SweetCaroline wrote: Philip, Adam singing “Killer Queen” on top of the NOTW robot and singing “Bicycle Race” while riding a flowery tricycle is a comedic blasphemy for you? What about Freddie dancing on the stage with hairy chest baring onesies and ballet slippers or super short white shorts and totally topless? Do you think THAT was being serious and dignified?

SweetCaroline wrote: Philip, Adam singing “Killer Queen” on top of the NOTW robot and singing “Bicycle Race” while riding a flowery tricycle is a comedic blasphemy for you? What about Freddie dancing on the stage with hairy chest baring onesies and ballet slippers or super short white shorts and totally topless? Do you think THAT was being serious and dignified?

rockchic65 wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Philip, Adam singing “Killer Queen” on top of the NOTW robot and singing “Bicycle Race” while riding a flowery tricycle is a comedic blasphemy for you? What about Freddie dancing on the stage with hairy chest baring onesies and ballet slippers or super short white shorts and totally topless? Do you think THAT was being serious and dignified?

I love Adam to bits but I do think you're getting a bit too defensive on his behalf, not everyone is going to feel the same, I don't really see anything wrong with what Philip put and I honestly don't see where he called it blasphemy, he just obviously would have preferred a more straight rock show rather than the comedy element Adam has introduced, he even said he was pleased for anyone who does enjoy it. My own opinion of it is it's more a cross between a theater show and a concert than a standard rock concert. Lots of people are loving it, enough to keep them touring almost constantly, I'd say it's pretty successful but not every single person is going to like it. I find Adam funny, love his personality and all his antics amuse me and judging from the comments I see on facebook etc that seems to be part of what wins people over and they especially seem to love the rapport with Brian on STL and just the general chemistry between them all, that's a big draw. End of the day they are never going to please everybody, but so long as it's working and it stays viable it doesn't really matter in the scheme of things if a few people don't like it or even actively hate it. On the plus side there'll be more tickets available for the ones who do want to go.

SweetCaroline wrote: Possible Facebook stream from Barcelona today: link Icy, I empathize with you regarding your Mom’s health but you don’t have credibility from other people’s live experiences at these shows. The audience loves those humerous moments that you contemptuously flip off as “gimmicks!”

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote: I love Adam to bits but I do think you're getting a bit too defensive on his behalf, not everyone is going to feel the same, I don't really see anything wrong with what Philip put and I honestly don't see where he called it blasphemy, he just obviously would have preferred a more straight rock show rather than the comedy element Adam has introduced, he even said he was pleased for anyone who does enjoy it. My own opinion of it is it's more a cross between a theater show and a concert than a standard rock concert. Lots of people are loving it, enough to keep them touring almost constantly, I'd say it's pretty successful but not every single person is going to like it. I find Adam funny, love his personality and all his antics amuse me and judging from the comments I see on facebook etc that seems to be part of what wins people over and they especially seem to love the rapport with Brian on STL and just the general chemistry between them all, that's a big draw. End of the day they are never going to please everybody, but so long as it's working and it stays viable it doesn't really matter in the scheme of things if a few people don't like it or even actively hate it. On the plus side there'll be more tickets available for the ones who do want to go.

Thanks for being reasonable ;-). Can I ask you something, please don't feel you are obligated to answer. Those "antics" in the show. Do you at least wish it something new? The Coronet for example, even Freddie didn't wear it year after year. Maybe because as some of us know, Queen didn't tour after '86, but if tours kept on I'm sure things would have changed. Queen were never one to be stuck in a rut. Now Q+AL seems to be somewhat stuck, IMO.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote: I love Adam to bits but I do think you're getting a bit too defensive on his behalf, not everyone is going to feel the same, I don't really see anything wrong with what Philip put and I honestly don't see where he called it blasphemy, he just obviously would have preferred a more straight rock show rather than the comedy element Adam has introduced, he even said he was pleased for anyone who does enjoy it. My own opinion of it is it's more a cross between a theater show and a concert than a standard rock concert. Lots of people are loving it, enough to keep them touring almost constantly, I'd say it's pretty successful but not every single person is going to like it. I find Adam funny, love his personality and all his antics amuse me and judging from the comments I see on facebook etc that seems to be part of what wins people over and they especially seem to love the rapport with Brian on STL and just the general chemistry between them all, that's a big draw. End of the day they are never going to please everybody, but so long as it's working and it stays viable it doesn't really matter in the scheme of things if a few people don't like it or even actively hate it. On the plus side there'll be more tickets available for the ones who do want to go.

Thanks for being reasonable ;-). Can I ask you something, please don't feel you are obligated to answer. Those "antics" in the show. Do you at least wish it something new? The Coronet for example, even Freddie didn't wear it year after year. Maybe because as some of us know, Queen didn't tour after '86, but if tours kept on I'm sure things would have changed. Queen were never one to be stuck in a rut. Now Q+AL seems to be somewhat stuck, IMO.

I've never really given it a lot of thought tbh, I suppose if I were going to multiple shows every time they tour I might think they should change it up. I think with everything being on YouTube it makes it seem that way but I'm not sure the fans who only see one show each tour are bothered, they seem more concerned with whether new songs will be done. If I could change one thing I'd bring back the chaise for Killer Queen rather than Frank but when you're at a show those bits are such a small part of the overall show that it doesn't really matter. At the end of the day it's the music I'm more interested in but I do think if he just stood there in a pair of jeans and a t shirt it wouldn't work. Doing his own tour it would be different but I think following in Freddie's footsteps, being the showman he was, Adam needed something big and over the top but different from what Freddie would do or it just wouldn't have enough impact. I'm sure some people would be happy with a more straightforward show but people do seem to be loving what they're doing, I've seen a lot comments saying they love how flamboyant he is.

philip storey wrote: The last Queen plus AL show I went to was last year at the Barclaycard Arena or Arena Baclaycard whatever they chose to call it ! Set off really early from Stamford 2.30pm after stopping for a short comfort break hit outside Brum 5pm ,we then had to fight our way the last two miles taking 1 and a half hours.Almost gave up ,why build this arena in the middle of a massive city.No car parking stewards and took another half an hour to park in disabled area. After using toilets buying mega expensive coke ,sweets programme,got to our seats and wheelchair space at 7.30ish.No support as usual ,I wont bore you but the worse bits were Adam sitting on robots head,Adam on his bike !Adams voice, Brian with his grey hair making him look sooo old.Adam wearing a small crown,no sleeping on the sidewalk or its late.The drum battle,Roger was clearly second best.Love of my life should be dropped it was all about Freddie an Mary and is not relevant these days.I have seen Queen 5 times with Freddie,2times with Paul and 2 times with Adam.For me it is over I play very little post 1980 Queen these days.At least John had the dignity to walk away from all of this.The best places to see bands these days I think is the NEC ,Sheffield Arena and Leeds Arena great views at Leeds.Will never go to see Queen again I think they are money mad,making money out of Freddies legacy.

philip storey wrote: Yes I saw Queen at some classic concerts ,had a great time at Milton Keynes,Queen on the crazy tour and the Knebworth show.Queen have been part of of my life for forty three years now.But there are so many other bands that I am interested in these days ,Muse,Stereophonics,Rob Zombie,Deep Purple.Isaw Bryan Adams two weeks ago and he was was great and I am seeing Sheryl Crow next week..Being disabled does make it hard getting to shows but I don't mind it's just a bummer what Queen did on their last tour,if I want to see a comedy show I will get tickets for that.For those of you that enjoy the present Queen band I am pleased for you and enjoy it ,after all people get so excited about these things!

runner_70 wrote: As I said with all those annoying gimmicks Lamebird is mocking Freddie not honoring him.

runner_70 wrote: As I said with all those annoying gimmicks Lamebird is mocking Freddie not honoring him.

SweetCaroline wrote: Let’s just rename all of these Queen/Adam threads the Icy/Milkman bitch threads. Poor souls have nothing better to do with their lives.

snifflese wrote: Thanks, Icy! No, actually it is not! With my other hip I was almost back to normal in 6 weeks. This has been 8 and it is still a mess. I am on crutches and really not where I should be at all. I truly don't know if I will be were I need to be by Sept and going into this second surgery, I was fully planning to book Vegas. I was convinced I would be full healed, just like last time. At this point I am not sure when I will be able to walk unaided and it worries me. When you can't get around well or do anything you would like to, the world looks very different and things aren't nearly as rosy! But let's hope!! Runner may not realize it, but having health issues really colors your perspective on things! And of course, that might not have changed the gentleman's opinion at all, but I am sure it didn't help. And I certainly wasn't trying to be rude! I just know how it is for me.

philip storey wrote: I am actually 54 years old and have had two hip replacements and two ankle fushions I also suffer with anxiety and depression.The reason I go to concerts is purely to forget about my problems for two hours.The travelling to concerts can get quite painful sometimes.I have seen some very good shows over the years ,Pink Floyd,Muse 4x,Queenx9,Rob Zombie,Maralyn Manson,Streophonicsx3,Bryan Adams ,Sheryl Crow,ELO,Kiss,Deep Purple x4,Quox4Roger Taylor Electric Fire tour,Def Leppard,Whitesnake,Journey,Europe,Simple Minds,Big Countryx4 and many more,so you can see that Adam Lambert is a little low on my list !Cheers Phil.

SweetCaroline wrote: Fred isn’t here anymore, unfortunately.

snifflese wrote: I actually love PTG. There was a little too much vibrato on the first night, but he nailed it the next two. I listened to a couple of Frddie Youtubes and to me it is apples and oranges. I listened to Freddie's recorded videos and then from a couple of live shows. What I find interesting is how different they sound. He sings it in the studio much higher and then when he sings live, it doesn't sound the same at all. Same with UP and Killer Queen. Freddie just has a deeper, more raw kind of voice and doesn't hold the notes out. He kind of cuts them off and he doesn't reach those really high notes in concert. He is not a tenor. Adam is a tenor and his voice is much lighter, more melodic, ethereal. The two voices don't have much in common and to me they sound very different. It is personal taste as to what you prefer. If you are sold on the deeper, rawer voice and that is what Queen should sound like to you, then Adam's voice may not cut it for you. I love QAL and being Broadway is just part of the draw! I don't find that to be a negative. Queen is a production, a show, much more than merely a rock show. I have no problem with that.

SweetCaroline wrote: Holly, are you proud of all of your negative remarks instead of being happy that Fred’s music is still being enjoyed in a live setting? I don’t nitpick every little nuance of these shows. I just sit back and enjoy the hell out of them. I did the same thing at the live QE show I attended in 2012. I never had the opportunity to see Freddie live. The closest I came was watching the whole Live Aid Show as it was happening on TV.

SweetCaroline wrote: Wow, I’M nasty? I’m happy and positive! Can you say the same?

SweetCaroline wrote: If you are so unhappy about this collaboration, why must you even post here to bring others down just because you somehow think YOU own the place!

SweetCaroline wrote: Fred isn’t here anymore, unfortunately. OMG, look at the heels on those boots: link

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam and Sauli are still good friends: link

runner_70 wrote: Someone hould ban this lunatic-seriously

SweetCaroline wrote: Lambert Tourettes! Now THAT is funny! Guilty as charged and it was that amazing middle eastern sitar version of Ring of Fire that totally sold me on the creative versatility of the guy!

SweetCaroline wrote: A day off for relaxation between shows. Has everything to do with great performances in QAL. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, like some of the boring posters in the Queen forums.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: A day off for relaxation between shows. Has everything to do with great performances in QAL. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, like some of the boring posters in the Queen forums.

No, look at the caption you came up for the picand the pic you linked to. You say others are boring. You are bat shit crazy.

Holly2003 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: A day off for relaxation between shows. Has everything to do with great performances in QAL. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, like some of the boring posters in the Queen forums.

No, look at the caption you came up for the picand the pic you linked to. You say others are boring. You are bat shit crazy.

Maybe it's the nature of the beast. We probably shouldn't expect fans of talent show contestants to say anything of any consequence.

SweetCaroline wrote: Sailing! Sailing! link

snifflese wrote: And no, I don't find Freddie's voice particularly melodic. He cuts things off and it is rather staccato to my ear. I also don't believe you have to write the song to sing it the best. I know many covers I prefer to the original and I am not just talking Adam. But in reference to Adam, I prefer his cover of Stay to the original and Girl Crush was better than the original. It is great to be a wonderful song writer, but I am not sure it gives you the leg up in singing it.. I totally disagree with that statement.

Holly2003 wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Fred isn’t here anymore, unfortunately.

No shit Sherlock. I don't think you've said even one interesting thing in your time here. That's an incredible achievement...

SweetCaroline wrote: Neil Fairclough is out sailing, too: link

snifflese wrote: Having a different opinion and civilly replying to it, is not defensive. Now that is ridiculous. You have told me that twice and I don't think that was the case at all in either instance. People are allowed to have different opinions, otherwise what would one discuss here? But, I certainly don't think I am defensive. I just don't agree and I was nice about it. Can't ask for more that that! At least I am not calling you all sorts of nasty name like He Who Shall Not Be Named! We just have different opinions! Adam does not sing the heavier rock songs like Freddie, but I think they are pretty darn good at this point and I really liked PTG, which is not a "heavier" rock song.

SweetCaroline wrote: Nothing posted on the Internet is meant to be private!

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Nothing posted on the Internet is meant to be private!

Bullshit. Want me to post and share things about you and your life that I don't think you would want shared? Even if I had that information about you, I would not share it. I don't think AL's ex would want his picture all over the place, Adamtopia, QZ God knows where else. How you excuse it, is laughable. You shouldn't even be posting about their days off at all. No one should. They deserve their privacy...up to them if they decide to post about their downtime, that's one thing, but you take it upon yourself to share it. That's creepy.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Nothing posted on the Internet is meant to be private!

Bullshit. Want me to post and share things about you and your life that I don't think you would want shared? Even if I had that information about you, I would not share it. I don't think AL's ex would want his picture all over the place, Adamtopia, QZ God knows where else. How you excuse it, is laughable. You shouldn't even be posting about their days off at all. No one should. They deserve their privacy...up to them if they decide to post about their downtime, that's one thing, but you take it upon yourself to share it. That's creepy.

I have zero interest in Adam's private life but to be fair he and his friends clearly don't care as they post these instagram vids on their a/c's all the time and they are all well aware that their fans repost them everywhere. Sauli posted one from the yacht and Neil and Tyler posted one's as well on their pages. There isn't anything private on them, they're just little clips of scenery etc whilst they're sailing and showing a few people sitting around on deck. I've no real idea why they are interesting to people but there isn't a privacy issue, Adam even has the pics of his nephew and godson still on his facebook page photo's. His friends regularly post vids from his house and he doesn't seem to mind about that either. I'm a private person so it seems weird to me but they don't seem to care at all.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Nothing posted on the Internet is meant to be private!

Bullshit. Want me to post and share things about you and your life that I don't think you would want shared? Even if I had that information about you, I would not share it. I don't think AL's ex would want his picture all over the place, Adamtopia, QZ God knows where else. How you excuse it, is laughable. You shouldn't even be posting about their days off at all. No one should. They deserve their privacy...up to them if they decide to post about their downtime, that's one thing, but you take it upon yourself to share it. That's creepy.

I have zero interest in Adam's private life but to be fair he and his friends clearly don't care as they post these instagram vids on their a/c's all the time and they are all well aware that their fans repost them everywhere. Sauli posted one from the yacht and Neil and Tyler posted one's as well on their pages. There isn't anything private on them, they're just little clips of scenery etc whilst they're sailing and showing a few people sitting around on deck. I've no real idea why they are interesting to people but there isn't a privacy issue, Adam even has the pics of his nephew and godson still on his facebook page photo's. His friends regularly post vids from his house and he doesn't seem to mind about that either. I'm a private person so it seems weird to me but they don't seem to care at all.

On their pages they posted it. That's fine, I have nothing against that. Like I said about that's one thing, their choice to do so. I do have something to say when things like this is shared on Queen sites. The guys deserve to have a break and they should be entitled to their privacy. It has nothing at all do with the music, so how are we supposed to discuss it? AL and his ex still being friends is sure important enough for sweetcaroline to bring it to here for no reason that I can see, only for her to keep the threads going. Or we can say Freddie is no longer here, and to *gasp* about AL's boots. Shake my head. I don't even see Queen fans here and on QOL posting pics, insta's the way sweetcaroline does.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Nothing posted on the Internet is meant to be private!

Bullshit. Want me to post and share things about you and your life that I don't think you would want shared? Even if I had that information about you, I would not share it. I don't think AL's ex would want his picture all over the place, Adamtopia, QZ God knows where else. How you excuse it, is laughable. You shouldn't even be posting about their days off at all. No one should. They deserve their privacy...up to them if they decide to post about their downtime, that's one thing, but you take it upon yourself to share it. That's creepy.

I have zero interest in Adam's private life but to be fair he and his friends clearly don't care as they post these instagram vids on their a/c's all the time and they are all well aware that their fans repost them everywhere. Sauli posted one from the yacht and Neil and Tyler posted one's as well on their pages. There isn't anything private on them, they're just little clips of scenery etc whilst they're sailing and showing a few people sitting around on deck. I've no real idea why they are interesting to people but there isn't a privacy issue, Adam even has the pics of his nephew and godson still on his facebook page photo's. His friends regularly post vids from his house and he doesn't seem to mind about that either. I'm a private person so it seems weird to me but they don't seem to care at all.

On their pages they posted it. That's fine, I have nothing against that. Like I said about that's one thing, their choice to do so. I do have something to say when things like this is shared on Queen sites. The guys deserve to have a break and they should be entitled to their privacy. It has nothing at all do with the music, so how are we supposed to discuss it? AL and his ex still being friends is sure important enough for sweetcaroline to bring it to here for no reason that I can see, only for her to keep the threads going. Or we can say Freddie is no longer here, and to *gasp* about AL's boots. Shake my head. I don't even see Queen fans here and on QOL posting pics, insta's the way sweetcaroline does.

I agree about why anyone would want to re post them over here but they all know their fans do take them over to other sites including Twitter and Atop etc. Even Brian was doing some snapchat thing around Madrid the other day, I think it's just this social media age we're in where everyone seems to live their life online. Seems strange to me but maybe it's an age thing.

SweetCaroline wrote: The only thing keeping these threads going are YOUR 500,000 word essays on why I should not be posting about Adam on a Queen/Adam forum! My short little blurbs don’t take up any room but your non-stop Trumpian judgemental bitch sessions take up pages and pages of stupid crap! Ready, set Go — 10 pages coming up on why I don’t have a right to post here but the icy ironic butterfly can post her “important” “POV” whenever and wherever she wants! Go! Go! Go!

runner_70 wrote: Well all that the SC promotion did for the guy was that he was dropped from the record company lol. Maybe she will finally meet her idol asking her "Large or small fries" in the near future....

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam will be fine! His “15 minutes” ended 9 years ago and he is still here! He’ll be going strong long after you and I are dead and buried!

runner_70 wrote: yup the legend in the making - just got dropped from the record company as noone one to listen to his legendary music lol. Dream on

SweetCaroline wrote: Translated review of Madrid Show — “The Queen Is Still Alive” ..... link

snifflese wrote: Icy, why will the biopic bringing new fans be a good thing? I thought Queen's legacy stood the test of time and didn't need any help. When people like me have said that The QAL shows are getting new fans, you always get upset and say Queen's music speaks for itself. I am truly a little confused why there is a difference between QAL garnering new fans and the biopic. They are either both a positive or both a negative. Not trying to be argumetative, but I do wonder since you have often told me that Adam and QAL don't need to get new fans for Queen.,

SweetCaroline wrote: No one has ever claimed that QAL is the sole reason for Queen music to still be popular and loved — NO ONE !!!!!

runner_70 wrote: If there was no QAL pple would never ask "aren't these those guys that were once legends but decided to team up with an annoying goa from a casting show "?

ggo1 wrote: Any set list changes yet?

SweetCaroline wrote: Why do you want Set List changes? They already made those changes before the tour started. This is not a show where they just play one song after the other. It’s a full fledged production with special lighting and stage effects.

runner_70 wrote: SC is the expert on Rock concerts. WOW i never thought there would be a light show with effects

ggo1 wrote: I asked about set list changes because ... and this is a biggy... I wanted to know if they were changing the set at all. Its not that stupid a question and i am thankful that someone answered it. They have been swapping numbers in and out on previous tours. E.g., Roger singing akom or tatdool, but never both. Finding offence in an innocent and innocuous question shows paranoia of a high degree. Wish I could get to a show but the budget won't stretch for a transatlantic trip just now. It's an interesting opening few numbers but I personally wish they would have shaken up the last hour a bit. Brian's suggestion of a major shake up didn't really bare fruit. Still an enjoyable show, just not one that gets my heartbeat racing because i feel ive already seen it. For fans, shaking up the set a little is like gold dust. I was front row (of the catwalk) in Toronto 2005? 07? Cant remember the year, when Q+PR added Under Pressure to the set for the first time, you could see Paul's tension as he sang it, his relief when he made it through and a huge smile on Brians face at the end.The special moments can be the unexpected ones.

runner_70 wrote: Seen QPR as well and that will be the last time I ever will see Brian and Roger live I guess. Fitting finale as this was before they lost the plot. It was all about the music you got to see three legends (not 2 and a twat like nowadays). Who thought they would end their career with such an embarrassment like they do now

runner_70 wrote: Seen QPR as well and that will be the last time I ever will see Brian and Roger live I guess. Fitting finale as this was before they lost the plot. It was all about the music you got to see three legends (not 2 and a twat like nowadays). Who thought they would end their career with such an embarrassment like they do now

runner_70 wrote: The vegas thing will be the last nail in the coffin. For Lamefart anyway because his career is over after QAL

runner_70 wrote: The vegas thing will be the last nail in the coffin. For Lamefart anyway because his career is over after QAL

SweetCaroline wrote: They can do the residency in Vegas and still perform/tour again later if their health and spirits and ambition allow it.

runner_70 wrote: Maybe their spirit will return to "sane mode" and they will look back on this chapter with disgust as the real Queen fans do

runner_70 wrote: He is completely yodeling WWTLF to death. Hitting high notes does not make you a great singer - I said it last year - and I will say it forever: Lamebird is like fingernails on a board for me. Makes you vomit once he opens his mouth

rockchic65 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: He is completely yodeling WWTLF to death. Hitting high notes does not make you a great singer - I said it last year - and I will say it forever: Lamebird is like fingernails on a board for me. Makes you vomit once he opens his mouth

Why is it so impossible for you to acknowledge that whilst his voice isn't for you he can sing. I'm sure there's lots of artists out there who have amazing voices but not everyone is going to be into them. There's a difference between what you enjoy listening to and what is technically good. I'm not a fan of pavarotti, he does absolutely nothing for me, but I'd be a fool to say he can't sing.

runner_70 wrote: Same agaib -. hitting a high note does not make you a good singer what is there not to understand. He may hit the high so what but he has no feel and his voice is completely powerless and thin. And look at his solostuff. If he was such a fab singer he would not need all those studio effects including heav autotuning. A great singer does not need this. And I hate him for making a sad joke out of my once fave bad, makes Brian and ROger look like poor lost granddaddies that have lost the plot. The collaboration is is so laughable that it hurts. Never has a band of this status made such a fool out of themselves. Imagin "U2 plus AL" or "Rolling Stones plus AL" - unbelievable for any iconic band teaming up with such a tosser. But Queen does the unthinkable and hires this sad joke

SweetCaroline wrote: I can imagine U2 or Rolling Stones with Adam fronting them. Check YouTube for his fabulous live versions of “One” and “Satisfaction” !!!!!

SweetCaroline wrote: I can imagine U2 or Rolling Stones with Adam fronting them. Check YouTube for his fabulous live versions of “One” and “Satisfaction” !!!!!

SweetCaroline wrote: If you haven’t been to a LIVE show you should shut the “F” up because you don’t know what the “F” you are talking about!

SweetCaroline wrote: Have you been to see Sam and Adele? LOL. Just who have you seen in person since you like to portray yoursef as such an expert?

runner_70 wrote: What you mean by "riffs" ? A riff is something Brian does not Lamebird. Ha cannot play any instrument - instead he is acting like a dick on stage while Freddie was working his ass off on the Piano (Killer Queen for example) I actually heard "One" and "Satisfaction" by him - hard to imagine there are worse covers than he does with QAL - but he does. The worst cover ever though was his yodeling thru "WHole lotta love" - I have never heard such a crap version in my whole life.

ggo1 wrote: Like him or loathe him, it is difficult to argue he can't sing. I do understand people not liking his voice or his phrasing though. When he started with Queen he was using his vibrato far too much for my liking but I don't think that is true anymore. How much of that is him toning it down or me getting used to it I've no idea because I don't go back and compare. I enjoy the show in the moment then move on.

runner_70 wrote: Well tell that Elton John and Billy Joel you mega Expert. *facepalm in shame* you do ANYTHING to back up this nonmusician don't you?

SweetCaroline wrote: I have seen Bono and U2 twice in a stadium and 3 times in an Arena. Duran Duran (3 times), Def Leppard, KISS, Foreigner, Neil Diamond, Boy George/Culture Club, Leonard Cohen, Loretta Lynn, Garth Brooks, Sting, Donny and Marie, Yanni. Would never pay to see Sam because he is so boring and Adele has retired!

SweetCaroline wrote: Uh I believe Elton John and Billy Joel are more known for their piano expertise than their voices!

SweetCaroline wrote: QAL are. NOT boring! They are mesmerizing!

rockchic65 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: Well tell that Elton John and Billy Joel you mega Expert. *facepalm in shame* you do ANYTHING to back up this nonmusician don't you?

Tell that to Lou Gramm and Steve Perry who don't play anything and there's other singers who although they can play an instrument don't when onstage, so again, it's not compulsory.

SweetCaroline wrote: QAL in Oslo, Norway, June 17, 2018 World Clock: link Streamers: link

SweetCaroline wrote: You don’t like anything! LOLOL

runner_70 wrote: FInally a good cover band as QAL are a crap one

runner_70 wrote: FInally a good cover band as QAL are a crap one

SweetCaroline wrote: Hey icy, guess what? QuEx is coming to Canada in October: link

runner_70 wrote: Poor Berlin - as If Germany did not have enough problems already......

SweetCaroline wrote: Obviously a Trump bigot!

SweetCaroline wrote: Not sure if this interview was posted previously: link

SweetCaroline wrote: This is a very unique poster for Hamburg: link

SweetCaroline wrote: Review of the Oslo show — this is the most beautiful review of the Queen + Adam collaboration I have ever seen in the 6+ years they have been together: link

Sealion wrote: @runner70 Sometimes you should keep your mouth shut. Someone on twitter threatened to shoot Lambert. And at least someone answered in the same direction. My daughter showed me these tweets, otherwise I wouldn’t know about this. But she was really scared. And I have to say, I found these tweets really unsettling as well. Apparently someone took care of it, because the account in question is now deleted. You never know with some lunatics on social media, but I actually hope, that it was reported to the police and someone investigates this. One man, who had responded to these mad tweets, sounded, as if he knew the ‘business‘. It sounded scary. So if you don’t want to sound like a complete arse, shut up.

runner_70 wrote: Scary and threatening? Thats what I would call him yes

Sealion wrote: @runner70 Sometimes you should keep your mouth shut. Someone on twitter threatened to shoot Lambert. And at least someone answered in the same direction. My daughter showed me these tweets, otherwise I wouldn’t know about this. But she was really scared. And I have to say, I found these tweets really unsettling as well. Apparently someone took care of it, because the account in question is now deleted. You never know with some lunatics on social media, but I actually hope, that it was reported to the police and someone investigates this. One man, who had responded to these mad tweets, sounded, as if he knew the ‘business‘. It sounded scary. So if you don’t want to sound like a complete arse, shut up.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

runner_70 wrote: Scary and threatening? Thats what I would call him yes

Those threats were horrible and yes scary, no lie. AL or anyone doesn't deserve something like that.

Sealion wrote: All these posts on that woman‘s twitter account were disgusting and sick. She needs mental help. But what I found much more scary were some of the responds she received. I told my daughter, that she could report that account to twitter. She did that and told me, that other fans had informed Adam‘s management. Unfortunately there will always be some sick people in this world.

rockchic65 wrote:

Sealion wrote: @runner70 Sometimes you should keep your mouth shut. Someone on twitter threatened to shoot Lambert. And at least someone answered in the same direction. My daughter showed me these tweets, otherwise I wouldn’t know about this. But she was really scared. And I have to say, I found these tweets really unsettling as well. Apparently someone took care of it, because the account in question is now deleted. You never know with some lunatics on social media, but I actually hope, that it was reported to the police and someone investigates this. One man, who had responded to these mad tweets, sounded, as if he knew the ‘business‘. It sounded scary. So if you don’t want to sound like a complete arse, shut up.

The girl has a facebook page and yesterday posted on Adam's facebook post "I HATE YOU! You made all you're fan's suspend my twitter account and now I can't tweet a thing". The girl sounds deranged.

SweetCaroline wrote: I have never compared Adam to Freddie. I have always praised him for being himself and not trying to imitate Freddie. I think someone is confusing me with someone else. Because I praise Adam doesn’t mean I think he is better but some super sensitive Freddie fans take it that way.

SweetCaroline wrote: OMG those mashup videos of Freddie and Adam were put together by whoever did that to show how good they both are, not to show Adam to be better. More likely to show the naysayers that Adam deserves to be doing what he is doing! Again, what does he have to do to prove himself? I noticed today that one of the regular posters at QOL is finally coming around and even thinking maybe he should go to a QAL show after all while he might still have a chance in the UK! Halleluia!

SweetCaroline wrote: Oh icy can’t you ever just shut the fuck up? You are such a hateful person! I really can’t stand you. Lord knows I’ve tried! Yes I’ve dissed Sam and Adele but I don’t go to their web pages and constantly demean them like you do to Adam. When I post something positive about Adam it’s called spamming. But you go on and on and on with pages and pages of hateful responses and that is NOT called spamming? Go pound salt and leave me alone! And now there will be 10 more pages going after me because you must always have the last word just like that other miserable, narcissistic person, Donald J. Trump!

runner_70 wrote: It is just right because he is living on Maylor and Freddie's laurels for 6 years now avoiding his destiny selling fries and Burgers at McDonalds or KFC. Regarding his looks he obviously is already training for his upcoming job as he looks like an overweight tranny. I would even give him a tip if I bought a burger - if it is just because he is staying away from his musical crimes of the last few years

SweetCaroline wrote: Here is a 10-year timeline for those who think Adam is “lazy” ...., 2008 - Auditioned at Idol with “Bohemian Rhapsody” 2009 - Performed on Ametican Idol for 3 months culminating in the finale with Brian and Roger on May 20th; toured in 50 cities on Idol tour while recording music for his 1st album. 2010 - Solo toured his 1st album worldwide from June to December in 110 venues. 2011-2012 - Worked on his 2nd album, performed at EMAs and at 6 European/UK events with QAL. 2013 - Released, promoted and solo toured 2nd album. 2014 - Toured US, Europe, Asia, Oceania with QAL. 2015 - Released and solo toured 3rd album. 2016 - NYE Show on BBC and toured South America with QAL. 2017 - Toured US and Europe with QAL. 2018 - Toured Oceania, Europe, UK with QAL while working on 4th album. During this time also filmed segments on Glee as Elliott and Rocky Horror Picture Show and recorded song for Captain Underpants soundtrack. Adam is the energizer bunny; he is not lazy and will NOT have time for a PT job at McDonald’s! LOL

snifflese wrote: Icy, get a grip, girl!!! You are off the charts right now. Just scroll past Caroline. You have her constantly in your sights and won't ever let go. Your behavior is the one that is bordering on cray cray. She posts a few links and is a big fan. As someone else said, they appreciate some of the links to find out what is going on with QAL! If it bothers you, let it go, as it doesn't bother many of us. You are always chastizing. I have told you before, even though you think you "like" Adam, you don't. For some reason you think Adam is marginalizing Freddie, which he can't and doesn't, but you go nuts over it. Any praise of Adam, to you, somehow takes away from Freddie. But that is not how it works. QAL is its own thing that only helps reinforce Freddie and all the wonderful things he did. It makes people remember him and his music. And contrary to what you say, Queen's music was not at the forefront anymore like it used to be. Once you no longer put out new stuff and tour, you fade to the back of people's minds EXCEPT for the diehard Queen Fans. QAL is a good thing for Queen and Freddie and for the fans. It is out in the bigger world and gaining new fans. As far as Caroline, can you get off her back, please? You are going to have a stroke if you keep on like that and no one wants to read all that garbage as it is same old, same old! Why do you hate her so much. It is just like runner with Adam. Believe me, there is no difference between you two!

rockchic65 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: It is just right because he is living on Maylor and Freddie's laurels for 6 years now avoiding his destiny selling fries and Burgers at McDonalds or KFC. Regarding his looks he obviously is already training for his upcoming job as he looks like an overweight tranny. I would even give him a tip if I bought a burger - if it is just because he is staying away from his musical crimes of the last few years

He's not living on their laurels he's giving them the opportunity to still be out there playing in arena's doing what they love, how is that a bad thing. They have said it's because of Adam they're able to do this and they still want to at the moment so he'd be pretty ungrateful to just drop them and say I'm gonna concentrate on my solo stuff now after the opportunity they gave him to do this in the first place. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement that they all get a kick out of and the fact they all like each other and get on well is probably part of the reason it's lasted this long. End of the day it will last as long as it lasts and when they're done, what Adam ends up doing is his own business. He's managed to balance this with his solo career so far, maybe he'd have done more solo stuff if he wasn't with them, who knows but he's been working on Album 4 for over a year between tour legs, it's not like he's just sat back and done nothing else.

SweetCaroline wrote: It is MY POV that is not being accepted. Negative posts are accepted but anything positive is called fan girling, over the top, unrealistic, etc etc etc. I’m not trying to promote anything that is false. The QAL shows ARE amazing and spectacular and not just because of Adam. What Adam does in the future is HIS business, not mine or anyone else’s. So far he has survived quite nicely. He is happy performing with two legendary guys. Others are at home staring at their multiple recording Grammys because they are not comfortable performing live. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses! Adam has put out 3 albums and is working on a 4th. It is wrong to say he is sitting back riding on Queen’s coattails.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote: He's not living on their laurels he's giving them the opportunity to still be out there playing in arena's doing what they love, how is that a bad thing. They have said it's because of Adam they're able to do this and they still want to at the moment so he'd be pretty ungrateful to just drop them and say I'm gonna concentrate on my solo stuff now after the opportunity they gave him to do this in the first place. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement that they all get a kick out of and the fact they all like each other and get on well is probably part of the reason it's lasted this long. End of the day it will last as long as it lasts and when they're done, what Adam ends up doing is his own business. He's managed to balance this with his solo career so far, maybe he'd have done more solo stuff if he wasn't with them, who knows but he's been working on Album 4 for over a year between tour legs, it's not like he's just sat back and done nothing else.

Brian and Roger as well as the Queen music is giving AL the opportunity to play places and venues he wouldn't be able to do with his own music. Some make it seem AL is the one doing the favor for Brian and Roger. Q+AL won't last forever. Brian and Roger will miss touring, that I have no doubt. AL will miss the luxury and the press that gives him attention singing Queen songs, because I think Q+AL is going to be the pinnacle of his career.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote: He's not living on their laurels he's giving them the opportunity to still be out there playing in arena's doing what they love, how is that a bad thing. They have said it's because of Adam they're able to do this and they still want to at the moment so he'd be pretty ungrateful to just drop them and say I'm gonna concentrate on my solo stuff now after the opportunity they gave him to do this in the first place. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement that they all get a kick out of and the fact they all like each other and get on well is probably part of the reason it's lasted this long. End of the day it will last as long as it lasts and when they're done, what Adam ends up doing is his own business. He's managed to balance this with his solo career so far, maybe he'd have done more solo stuff if he wasn't with them, who knows but he's been working on Album 4 for over a year between tour legs, it's not like he's just sat back and done nothing else.

Brian and Roger as well as the Queen music is giving AL the opportunity to play places and venues he wouldn't be able to do with his own music. Some make it seem AL is the one doing the favor for Brian and Roger. Q+AL won't last forever. Brian and Roger will miss touring, that I have no doubt. AL will miss the luxury and the press that gives him attention singing Queen songs, because I think Q+AL is going to be the pinnacle of his career.

That's why I said it's a mutually beneficial arrangement. Adam never fails to say how grateful he is for the opportunity and how he enjoys the travelling in style with Queen etc but he also loves to do his solo stuff as well. He recently said in an interview but I can't remember which, that Roger & Brian are friends now and that whilever they want to tour he'll be available. I don't see it as him doing them a favour as such but he knows as does anyone who've seen their numerous interviews that they don't want to tour with anyone else so he has to be aware that if he goes off to do his solo stuff that essentially means they have to stop as well. He said he's intending doing his solo stuff next year unless any Queen related things come up, or at least he will fit it in with anything Q+ are offered that Brian & Roger want to do. I'm paraphrasing but that was the general gist of it. He said none of them expected it to last this long so I don't think he originally intended to put his solo career on the sidelines but things just snowballed.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Brian and Roger as well as the Queen music is giving AL the opportunity to play places and venues he wouldn't be able to do with his own music. Some make it seem AL is the one doing the favor for Brian and Roger. Q+AL won't last forever. Brian and Roger will miss touring, that I have no doubt. AL will miss the luxury and the press that gives him attention singing Queen songs, because I think Q+AL is going to be the pinnacle of his career.

That's why I said it's a mutually beneficial arrangement. Adam never fails to say how grateful he is for the opportunity and how he enjoys the travelling in style with Queen etc but he also loves to do his solo stuff as well. He recently said in an interview but I can't remember which, that Roger & Brian are friends now and that whilever they want to tour he'll be available. I don't see it as him doing them a favour as such but he knows as does anyone who've seen their numerous interviews that they don't want to tour with anyone else so he has to be aware that if he goes off to do his solo stuff that essentially means they have to stop as well. He said he's intending doing his solo stuff next year unless any Queen related things come up, or at least he will fit it in with anything Q+ are offered that Brian & Roger want to do. I'm paraphrasing but that was the general gist of it. He said none of them expected it to last this long so I don't think he originally intended to put his solo career on the sidelines but things just snowballed.

He should be grateful. Brian and Roger and the Queen legacy has done wonders for getting AL's name out there. Not that it will help him sell millions of albums, not that I look at AL as the new Freddie, not that I will ever believe he has replaced Freddie. AL has the most to lose once Q+AL is over. Well, yes d hope after decades of knowing each other that Brian and Roger would be friends. I think at one point Brian, Roger, and Paul Rodgers were friends...and look how that went down. Whenever Brian and Roger want to tour, AL will be available? That's too bad honestly. And yes, to me that's taking the easy way out, and AL riding on coattails. Sad he would be willing to drop his own career for Q+AL. I think his solo career isn't the piroity for AL. He should at least be honest and say he would rather focus on Q+AL instead of the mixed messages about his own music, IMO.

SweetCaroline wrote: Here’s a video of Adam and his loyal friends: link

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Brian and Roger as well as the Queen music is giving AL the opportunity to play places and venues he wouldn't be able to do with his own music. Some make it seem AL is the one doing the favor for Brian and Roger. Q+AL won't last forever. Brian and Roger will miss touring, that I have no doubt. AL will miss the luxury and the press that gives him attention singing Queen songs, because I think Q+AL is going to be the pinnacle of his career.

That's why I said it's a mutually beneficial arrangement. Adam never fails to say how grateful he is for the opportunity and how he enjoys the travelling in style with Queen etc but he also loves to do his solo stuff as well. He recently said in an interview but I can't remember which, that Roger & Brian are friends now and that whilever they want to tour he'll be available. I don't see it as him doing them a favour as such but he knows as does anyone who've seen their numerous interviews that they don't want to tour with anyone else so he has to be aware that if he goes off to do his solo stuff that essentially means they have to stop as well. He said he's intending doing his solo stuff next year unless any Queen related things come up, or at least he will fit it in with anything Q+ are offered that Brian & Roger want to do. I'm paraphrasing but that was the general gist of it. He said none of them expected it to last this long so I don't think he originally intended to put his solo career on the sidelines but things just snowballed.

He should be grateful. Brian and Roger and the Queen legacy has done wonders for getting AL's name out there. Not that it will help him sell millions of albums, not that I look at AL as the new Freddie, not that I will ever believe he has replaced Freddie. AL has the most to lose once Q+AL is over. Well, yes d hope after decades of knowing each other that Brian and Roger would be friends. I think at one point Brian, Roger, and Paul Rodgers were friends...and look how that went down. Whenever Brian and Roger want to tour, AL will be available? That's too bad honestly. And yes, to me that's taking the easy way out, and AL riding on coattails. Sad he would be willing to drop his own career for Q+AL. I think his solo career isn't the piroity for AL. He should at least be honest and say he would rather focus on Q+AL instead of the mixed messages about his own music, IMO.

From all the various interviews I've seen both by Adam solo and with Brian & Roger that isn't the impression I have at all. His career is his priority but he's also a decent guy who wouldn't shit on anyone to get where he want's to be and after working with them for this long he's not gonna bail on them, he cares about them too much and he also enjoys working with people he's friends with, he likes the familiarity. Most of his friends are ones he's had since well before Idol, he's loyal and his philosophy on life is that you give back and don't be selfish with what you have. Maybe he's too idealistic for the cutthroat music business but at the end of the day you have to stay true to yourself, or at least he does, maybe why he's not as successful as he could be given his level of talent.

SweetCaroline wrote: Here’s a solo song recorded by Adam that should have given him a Grammy, Golden Globe, Academy Award and put him on the music business map forever because it is something no one else did or could do: link

SweetCaroline wrote: Here’s another flashback since “some people” don’t like him singing Queen songs: link

SweetCaroline wrote: Here’s a solo song recorded by Adam that should have given him a Grammy, Golden Globe, Academy Award and put him on the music business map forever because it is something no one else did or could do: link

Iron Butterfly wrote: I never doubt that he works hard. No doubt in my mind he does. I can't help but wish for more solo music from him, because I like him as a solo artist more than I like him singing many of the Queen songs. Some Queen songs he sings I think he does very well, others not so much. With his own solo music, it seems at least he has many fingers into the one pie, and trying to see what could stick will be tough. The music industry is forever changing and I wonder if that's for the better. For some artists, it will be very tough, and it will be for AL, I think. I hope he has people in the business side of things that will have his best interests in mind.

SweetCaroline wrote: rockchic65, yes exactly. That’s why I have been so adamant about hearing Adam LIVE whether for his solo music or for QAL. Most people in the Queen forums are judging him by listening to recordings or watching YouTube videos. I never bought any of his Idol studio recordings because I liked his live performances better. Those who condemn him for touring so long with QAL are wrong. His voice is meant to be heard in an arena or stadium. It’s frustrating because the artists who get those gigs are the autotuned recording artists with higher record sales. It’s true that Adam always gives a rock edge to his solo music when performing live. I’m glad “Lucy” is getting out there during this tour. Much better than WWFM.

snifflese wrote: I agree with you about his choice of songs at the AMA's. FYE was a song that was always difficult for him to sing live, which you can hardly say about any of his other songs. He was so off key in parts of that song, that I cringed. Since then I have never heard him out of tune at all. Normally he is right on with no off key issues night after night. He is amazing in that regard, but that one night, he wasn't. America was set to embrace him and he flubbed, plus his actions (which I didn't have a problem with!) sealed the deal for him. America was much more conservative then and middle America was apalled! I often wonder that if he had chosen another song and if he had behaved more sedately, where would he be now? Probably not singing with Queen, so maybe it is a good thing that it happened the way it did! I guess actions have consequences and you never know what is in your future, one little slip and your whole future is changed. It is a shame, however, that they quickly ditched the video and the song, because that video was amazing! It never got the accolades it should have, due to the whole mess. It is a piece of art, IMO. Loved it!

SweetCaroline wrote: rockchic65, yes exactly. That’s why I have been so adamant about hearing Adam LIVE whether for his solo music or for QAL. Most people in the Queen forums are judging him by listening to recordings or watching YouTube videos. I never bought any of his Idol studio recordings because I liked his live performances better. Those who condemn him for touring so long with QAL are wrong. His voice is meant to be heard in an arena or stadium. It’s frustrating because the artists who get those gigs are the autotuned recording artists with higher record sales. It’s true that Adam always gives a rock edge to his solo music when performing live. I’m glad “Lucy” is getting out there during this tour. Much better than WWFM.

Holly2003 wrote: It's the kind of soulless vocal gymnastics that becomes tiresome really quickly. There's no heart and soul there.

snifflese wrote: I agree with you about his choice of songs at the AMA's. FYE was a song that was always difficult for him to sing live, which you can hardly say about any of his other songs. He was so off key in parts of that song, that I cringed. Since then I have never heard him out of tune at all. Normally he is right on with no off key issues night after night. He is amazing in that regard, but that one night, he wasn't. America was set to embrace him and he flubbed, plus his actions (which I didn't have a problem with!) sealed the deal for him. America was much more conservative then and middle America was apalled! I often wonder that if he had chosen another song and if he had behaved more sedately, where would he be now? Probably not singing with Queen, so maybe it is a good thing that it happened the way it did! I guess actions have consequences and you never know what is in your future, one little slip and your whole future is changed. It is a shame, however, that they quickly ditched the video and the song, because that video was amazing! It never got the accolades it should have, due to the whole mess. It is a piece of art, IMO. Loved it!

snifflese wrote: I was one of those movie goers who sat till the very end just for that song! It was quite popular in Asia for some reason and I am not sure that he ever sang it live? I do know that Brian heard the song and said his knees turned to jelly after hearing it because of that voice. He was really impressed withh TMI for some reason and that could also be part of the reason he was so impressed with Adam and tried to actively recruit him for the band. It was a lovely song, but not really too mainstream. It ceertainly did show off his voice! Tough song to sing.

SweetCaroline wrote: Time For Miracles never “failed” because it was never given a chance. The video was never broadcast on TV and the recording never played on the radio. The only place it was heard was over the credits at the end of the 2012 movie and most moviegoers were exiting the theater after sitting through all of the disasters in that film.

rockchic65 wrote:

snifflese wrote: I was one of those movie goers who sat till the very end just for that song! It was quite popular in Asia for some reason and I am not sure that he ever sang it live? I do know that Brian heard the song and said his knees turned to jelly after hearing it because of that voice. He was really impressed withh TMI for some reason and that could also be part of the reason he was so impressed with Adam and tried to actively recruit him for the band. It was a lovely song, but not really too mainstream. It ceertainly did show off his voice! Tough song to sing.

Yeah Adam said it was a killer to sing. He did sing it live once but only a stripped down acoustic ballad version. I think of it as a throwback to the kind of soft rock a lot of bands did back in the 70's, driving anthems. I heard Brian talking about it and it definitely shows off his vocal ability. Rob Cavallo wanted him for it after hearing him on Idol, pity he's no longer head of Warner, he loved Adam.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Time For Miracles never “failed” because it was never given a chance. The video was never broadcast on TV and the recording never played on the radio. The only place it was heard was over the credits at the end of the 2012 movie and most moviegoers were exiting the theater after sitting through all of the disasters in that film.

I saw TFM on MuchMusic and MuchMoreMusic a few times. To say it wasn't seen...not exactly true. Maybe song the should have been in the movie, instead of the credits. Whoever placed it in the credits...not a good choice.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

snifflese wrote: I was one of those movie goers who sat till the very end just for that song! It was quite popular in Asia for some reason and I am not sure that he ever sang it live? I do know that Brian heard the song and said his knees turned to jelly after hearing it because of that voice. He was really impressed withh TMI for some reason and that could also be part of the reason he was so impressed with Adam and tried to actively recruit him for the band. It was a lovely song, but not really too mainstream. It ceertainly did show off his voice! Tough song to sing.

Yeah Adam said it was a killer to sing. He did sing it live once but only a stripped down acoustic ballad version. I think of it as a throwback to the kind of soft rock a lot of bands did back in the 70's, driving anthems. I heard Brian talking about it and it definitely shows off his vocal ability. Rob Cavallo wanted him for it after hearing him on Idol, pity he's no longer head of Warner, he loved Adam.

Is there a video of that version? It does remind me of the power ballad type of song. And I like my fair share of power ballads lol. I think if AL had it placed in the movie, or it had nothing to do with the movie, maybe it would have fared better?

Holly2003 wrote: Bryan Adams' "(Everything I do) I do for you" appeared in the credits of the Robin Hood movie and was an enormous success when released as a single from the movie soundtrack.

runner_70 wrote: The song is a shitty power ballad, the video is crap and WTF has Lamefarts crappy solo music to do in a QAL thread. SC is again going awol on here posting every crap she finds about this asshole. She is more responsible that lots of Queen fans hgate him than bringing him new fans, She clearly needs to see shrink- and I mean it seriously. It has become a real disease. STalking this wanker and his crap music

rockchic65 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Bryan Adams' "(Everything I do) I do for you" appeared in the credits of the Robin Hood movie and was an enormous success when released as a single from the movie soundtrack.

But Bryan Adams was already hugely successful by the time Robin Hood came out, TFM was released in 2009 straight after Adam came off Idol. Also power ballads weren't particularly popular by that point, might have been a different story back in the 90's.

Holly2003 wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Bryan Adams' "(Everything I do) I do for you" appeared in the credits of the Robin Hood movie and was an enormous success when released as a single from the movie soundtrack.

But Bryan Adams was already hugely successful by the time Robin Hood came out, TFM was released in 2009 straight after Adam came off Idol. Also power ballads weren't particularly popular by that point, might have been a different story back in the 90's.

I haven't checked the charts since the 1990s so I wouldn't know :) There always seems to be a reason for Lambert's relative lack of success. Bad timing, poor choices, homophobia, suit never came back from the cleaners, old friend came in from out of town, locusts... In truth, he's moderately successful at best -- at least in those areas that his fans seem to obsess about -- and until he finds a genre that suits him and finds a way to stand out from hordes of other west end style crooners, power ballad divas and dance/ pop artists then he probably won't be as successful as (whispers quietly in case SC has a stoke) Adele and Sam Smith ;)

Holly2003 wrote: But we're talking about chart success here, not how happy he is, money etc. So what does he need to do to change that? Does he care? His fans seem to. I don't think it's that important.

Holly2003 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Time For Miracles never “failed” because it was never given a chance. The video was never broadcast on TV and the recording never played on the radio. The only place it was heard was over the credits at the end of the 2012 movie and most moviegoers were exiting the theater after sitting through all of the disasters in that film.

I saw TFM on MuchMusic and MuchMoreMusic a few times. To say it wasn't seen...not exactly true. Maybe song the should have been in the movie, instead of the credits. Whoever placed it in the credits...not a good choice.

Bryan Adams' "(Everything I do) I do for you" played over the credits of the Robin Hood movie and was an enormous success when released as a single from the movie soundtrack.

rockchic65 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Bryan Adams' "(Everything I do) I do for you" appeared in the credits of the Robin Hood movie and was an enormous success when released as a single from the movie soundtrack.

But Bryan Adams was already hugely successful by the time Robin Hood came out, TFM was released in 2009 straight after Adam came off Idol. Also power ballads weren't particularly popular by that point, might have been a different story back in the 90's.

SweetCaroline wrote: Say what you will but whenever Adele or Sam came on my car radio (only time I listen to the radio), I had to switch the station because I couldn’t stand their mounful whining! I do not consider them more talented or more successful than Adam! He is versatile and doesn’t want to be stuck in one boring genre! That’s why he fits so well with Queen music.

SweetCaroline wrote: All 3 of his albums have been versatile—rock, pop, funk and blues and not boring. It’s a conundrum because he sounds better unrecorded and live and those other yokels have to be autotuned to sound good! Icy, stop hijacking this thread that is supposed to be for the QAL tour in Europe and the UK, not for bitching about Adam.

Holly2003 wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Bryan Adams' "(Everything I do) I do for you" appeared in the credits of the Robin Hood movie and was an enormous success when released as a single from the movie soundtrack.

But Bryan Adams was already hugely successful by the time Robin Hood came out, TFM was released in 2009 straight after Adam came off Idol. Also power ballads weren't particularly popular by that point, might have been a different story back in the 90's.

I haven't checked the charts since the 1990s so I wouldn't know :) There always seems to be a reason for Lambert's relative lack of success. Bad timing, poor choices, homophobia, suit never came back from the cleaners, old friend came in from out of town, locusts... In truth, he's moderately successful at best -- at least in those areas that his fans seem to obsess about -- and until he finds a genre that suits him and finds a way to stand out from hordes of other west end style crooners, power ballad divas and dance/ pop artists then he probably won't be as successful as (whispers quietly in case SC has a stoke) Adele and Sam Smith ;)

SweetCaroline wrote: New Adele album? Oh goody, if she gets it done this year she can name it “30” — that would be original !!! Did she have another vocal cord surgery after cancelling her last UK concerts?

SweetCaroline wrote: Let’s hear Adele sing TSMGO night after night! Believe me I worry and wonder how he hits those notes without damaging something! I don’t think SHE learned how to take care of her voice and the smoking doesn’t help!

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Bryan Adams' "(Everything I do) I do for you" appeared in the credits of the Robin Hood movie and was an enormous success when released as a single from the movie soundtrack.

But Bryan Adams was already hugely successful by the time Robin Hood came out, TFM was released in 2009 straight after Adam came off Idol. Also power ballads weren't particularly popular by that point, might have been a different story back in the 90's.

Power ballads were huge in the 1990s. A good chunk of my mix tapes were filled with it. Good times. ;-).

SweetCaroline wrote: New Adele album? Oh goody, if she gets it done this year she can name it “30” — that would be original !!! Did she have another vocal cord surgery after cancelling her last UK concerts?

snifflese wrote: Who cares if one artist is more successful than another? I do think most of you just choose to see that a singer whose instrument is his voice can be just as much an artist as someone who writes music or plays an instrument. For Adam his voice is his instrument. He is an amazing singer who can do things with his voice that few singers can. Opera and classical singers are artists and most don't write or play instruments. They sing "covers", since most opera music is from hundreds of years ago. It is the way they interpret "someone else's music" which you are always throwing at Adam. Are they riding on Wagner's coat tails? Just a silly argument. The great singers are artists, just not in the way that you justify an artist. Many peoplecan play an instrument, or write some song, but that doesn't make it great or make them better than someone who sings. I totally disagree with that premise. Music is an art and it includes singers (performers), writers and musicians. They are all artists. Writing music is not the end all and be all for me, anyway.

SweetCaroline wrote: Well said, again, snifflese! My comparison of Adam and Adele is mainly about live performance! He does write or co-write music and it usually is very meaningful, such as “Aftermath,” “Broken Open” and “Outlaws Of Love.”

Holly2003 wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: New Adele album? Oh goody, if she gets it done this year she can name it “30” — that would be original !!! Did she have another vocal cord surgery after cancelling her last UK concerts?

Yeah I agree Adele's a right selfish so and so for falling ill. Imagine what Stephen Hawking could have achieved if he wasn't so selfish as to fall ill with a degenerative disease. And Freddie Mercury cancelled 5 years of concerts after he fell ill with Aids. Clearly Lambert is better than Hawking, Mercury, and Adele. Only a crackpot would say otherwise.

runner_70 wrote: I rather listen to Adele with sinusitis for 24hrs straight (and i Really don't like her music but respect her) than listen to 12 seconds of this atrocious Lamebird wanker.

SweetCaroline wrote: And Adam made his mark on Idol with his outstanding performances!

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam makes an impact whenever he performs because he is a natural entertainer. It doesn’t matter if he is singing his own or cover songs because he makes them his own with his unique personal touch! An example of that for me is his live performances of Marley’s reggae hit, “This Is Love.”

snifflese wrote: From what I read she didn't want to rehearse it overly much! They were just going to wing it. I am pretty sure that wasn't Adam as he is nothing, if not a perfectionist. Knowing Melissa Etheridge, I can imagine her winging it and I am sure Adam wouldn't argue with a legend!

SweetCaroline wrote: I wouldn’t say that duet was awful and a big shame! It was fine!

SweetCaroline wrote: Oh my, a big ouch? They chose that song because it was the 25th anniversary for it. Just think how much worse it could have been with a Sam Smith falsetto! LOL

snifflese wrote: Yep, I was also really disappointed in the Melissa Etheridge performance and I was surprised. Normally he is really good on duets, but in that performance there was a whole lot of screaming going on with voices that were not harmonious!

Brancelli wrote: Just listened to "Love Kills" from iheartradio performance. Adam killed it, IMO. I finally understand. Now I'm supposed to hate Adele, Bruno, Sam Smith, Marc Martel, Dimash, etc. I can never listen to anyone else. Adam is the shit. Fuck those other singers.

runner_70 wrote: He surely killed it - he kills all the songs he is singing. "Kill" means destroy in my language and thats all the tool does. His awful stage acting and overweightness is just another extra for the tasteless

runner_70 wrote: Talent and good nature? No Talent-shreeking voiceing and twat behaviour-thats what Lamefat stands for me. And utterdisgrace to any music lover

SweetCaroline wrote: There would be zero defense needed if the nasty and unwarranted attacks on the man would stop and his talent and good nature appreciated.

rockchic65 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: Talent and good nature? No Talent-shreeking voiceing and twat behaviour-thats what Lamefat stands for me. And utterdisgrace to any music lover

And right there is why your opinion is null and void. You can dislike his style of music, voice, way he acts whatever, but objectively he can sing brilliantly and aside from that everyone who ever works with him, meets him or deals with him in any way all say he's a genuinely nice guy. He's done absolutely nothing behaviour wise to warrant being called a twat. Oh and by the way, he's 6'1 or 185.42 cm and weighs around 12stone 2lbs or 77kg, by anyone's standards that ain't fat!

Iron Butterfly wrote: Does anyone really need to know how much he weighs? :-\

runner_70 wrote: How can you say you are objective when you are a delusional Glambert????? In Interviews he comes across as a giant twat for me so it is well deserved. He is just a pretender (and not a great one - see what I did there????) He is an overweight tranny - when did you last put him on a scale?

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Does anyone really need to know how much he weighs? :-\

Well runner apparently since all he seems to be able to write is fat tranny or a version thereof. Just thought it might clarify his severe lack of objectivity on the subject of Lambert but clearly I was wrong.

snifflese wrote: Obviously your command of English is really lousy, runner, . . . .

someonewholikesadam wrote: If by overweightness you mean fat or even chubby, you are so wrong. The first time I met him, I was shocked at how skinny he was. In person, he is a tall, very slim man who looks great in clothes!

snifflese wrote: I have had a pic taken with Adam and got to give him a hug. I was shocked at how thin he looked in person and there was not a lot of meat on those bones when I gave him that big old hug! I truly was surprised as he does look somewhat heavier in some pics. It is the multi layers of clothes as he seems to like layers. I have seen him about 10 times and he just doesn't look like some of the pics. Not that he ever looks heavy, but he is really downright thin. So, Mr Runner, you can take back all the overweight crap, cause it just ain't so!!!

snifflese wrote: No, I am not a bus stalker or anything like that. I bought a seat right up front and didn't realize it was a special VIP ticket that came with chance for a photo. I am just over 5 feet tall and it is hard to see over people, so my husband told me to just get the closest seat I could. When I bought it, I had no clue I would get a pic with Adam. Total shock when I realized I got a picture. Of course the whole thing lasted about 30 secs or so, but it was fun to get the pic and give him a hug. Plus sitting right up front was most awesome. He did smell lovely and had the nicest smile! I would never do it again, but it wa a special experience.

someonewholikesadam wrote: Sniffeles, I too have met (and hugged) Adam numerous times. I would even go so far as to say he seems a little frail! The first time I met him it was before the opening night of Glamnation in Wilkesbarre PA. He was going for a run and looked like a gangly teenager. Then when he came on stage with that Down the Rabbit Hole and cape and full stage makeup and that voice and magnificent stage presence, it was hard to believe it was the same person! And, Iron Butterfly, he smelled fantastic!!

Vocal harmony wrote: AL isn't actually very tall. Brian is, when they're standing next to each other they appear to be about the same height, but AL is almost always wearing huge platforms.

snifflese wrote: Brian is like 6'5", so anyone is going to look short next to him! I would look like a munchkin! Adam mentioned that he doesn't know why everyone thinks he is short. That was one of the things that he mentioned just the other day. It is often said to him and it always surprises him!

Vocal harmony wrote: Brian is 6:2 maybe 6:3. If you see them together off stage AL looks a lot shorter than Brian. I'm certainly not saying that the measurement given for AL is wrong. It's interesting how stature is perceived.

SweetCaroline wrote: Interview with Adam pre Glasgow show: link

runner_70 wrote: 20.000 clueless people with no taste in one arena. Sad

runner_70 wrote: Was here for about 1hr to laugh at Glamtart comments - dont worry about me then

runner_70 wrote: 20.000 clueless people with no taste in one arena. Sad

runner_70 wrote: Queenfans are not at QAL shows

inu-liger wrote: Caroline, if only you knew how many people specifically mentioned you rather disdainfully while I was chatting with people in the queue pre-show at Rotterdam last week whenever the topic of Queenzone came up...

runner_70 wrote: 95% of the concert goers are tasteless Joe Publics who dont know anything about Queen and own Greatest Hits 1 and 2 and dont find it annopying that they favourite songs Radio Gaga and We Will Rock you are ruined by a goat. The dont even know who is singing. Queen purists dont give a rats ass about the ladyboy and this laughable collaboration which is painful to watch and even more painful to listen too when the overweight tranny is starting the vibrato again

runner_70 wrote: What has this to do with narrow mindedness? It is completely unconvincing and forced and completely laughable seeing those two legends making a joke out of themselves with this tool

runner_70 wrote: No even in drag Freddie was more classy than the overweight tranny that is singing now.

snifflese wrote: Yep, rockchic, that youtube of Freddie is pretty tacky all right! And I think it is perfectly fine, as it is a SHOW, but I don't see why that is fine for Queen lovers, but they have a fit with what Adam wears. Also sitting on top of that dude is weird! At least Frank is inanimate. Seems like there are definitely double standards to me for sure. It is just different strokes for different folks that is all, but you can't say one is just great and criticize the other for something similar (although nothing Adam has done is that weird, just my opinion). One more point. I had a discussion a month or so ago about Freddie and Adam's voices and mentioned that Adam's always sounds melodic and Freddies was more like a rock voice, more cut off and actually in this one, rather shouty. That is one of the biggest differences to me. Freddie never sounds as melodic and his singing is very stacato, chopped off phrases and often shouty sounding like this. They have a totally different sound. I always notice that he didn't sound in concert at all like in the recordings. Adam is actually a better live singer than in his recordings. There is some dynamic in his voice you just don't capture on his recorded music. It just sounds more sterile. I have seen each of his tours and was able to compare the live sound to my CD's and there is a huge difference whereas for most singers they never sound as good live. That to me is an unusual aspect of Adam's singing.

snifflese wrote: Rockchic! Hi! It is nice to meet you and I always enjoy reading your posts. They are very calm and you make excellent points! You seem as if you are interested in Adam's voice, which I very much am. If you are not, please ignore, but if you are, there were a few really interesting posts on Adamtopia for the 7.7.18 (A day off) thread. Cassie (voice instructor, great friend of an opera singer, teacher) posts interesting things about the technical side of the voice. She had spoken with her friend who maintains that Adam would be a star in the opera world. Someone else comes in to dispute that and I found what she said fascinating. Her opinion is that Adam's voice is higher than the usual tenor and she goes on to deliieate the different "Facher" for a tenor voice and how just like in pop, his voice does not fit the parameters. She mentions how rigid opera is and we know Adam is def. loosey goosey! That might not have played so well on the opera stage. Adam did begin in the operatic, classical area, if you look at his first you tubes (and that is the music I love to hear him sing) and then he veered off into more popular music. It is a long post with interesting points. Adam is kind of a man without any specific category which is unusual nowadays. I know Adamtopia can be a little extreme as in TMI. I am astounded at some of the stuff on there, just way tooo personal, but I do appreciate the info sometimes and this particular thread I found enlightening. Just wanted to pass it on!

SweetCaroline wrote: OMG that was awful. I never saw Freddie sitting on Superman’s shoulders. Was that considered “classy?”

snifflese wrote: Icy, your HYPOCRISY is showing!! Really, how much longer is the sitting on the head for KQ and the bike is less than no time at all! This is exactly what I mean about Queen fans excusing anything Freddie did and yet lesser things trigger their hate and scorn. The thing is that the outfit was totally weird, on top of a weird Superman of all things? Makes no sense at all to me! Definitely think that part should have been taken out ASAP! Just my POV! Actually, I don't care, it was a part of a show, but for me, it is much weirder than anything Adam has done. YMMV.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

inu-liger wrote: Caroline, if only you knew how many people specifically mentioned you rather disdainfully while I was chatting with people in the queue pre-show at Rotterdam last week whenever the topic of Queenzone came up...

Ouch LOL.

runner_70 wrote: no wonder ...... she clearly lost it - like Maylor did when they opted for the goat

SweetCaroline wrote: Bye icy, see you in September! Don’t miss torturing me too much! LOLOL

inu-liger wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

inu-liger wrote: Caroline, if only you knew how many people specifically mentioned you rather disdainfully while I was chatting with people in the queue pre-show at Rotterdam last week whenever the topic of Queenzone came up...

Ouch LOL.

Ouch indeed, and I wish I were exaggerating, but I’m not.

SweetCaroline wrote: OMG that was awful. I never saw Freddie sitting on Superman’s shoulders. Was that considered “classy?”

snifflese wrote: There is llittle difference between that and Adam sitting on Frank and yet you go on and on and on about it. Adam's outfit is definitely classier than that sparkle thing Freddie was wearing. There is a reason Frank is in the show, a clear reason and it is funny that Adam sits on him. I don't get the difference. I don't really have a problem with either, but the Freddie youtube looked really tacky to me. I guess just different view points and don't bring in the AMA's, as that has no relation to Queen whatsoever. You could justify anything Freddie does, just as a Glambert will justify what QAL and Adam do. When you can finally see that, you will have arrived!!!

snifflese wrote: Well, I guess if you don't understand why the Video from rockchic bothered her, we don't understand why everything about Adam pretty much bothers you! Same difference, which I can see, but you just don't see that. I don't think she was bothered by it, nor was I. It was just an example to show that Freddie could wear bizarre clothes and do bizarre things. But to Queen fans, it is all OK. But Adam for some reason isn't given free rein like Freddie is. I don't know how much clearer I can state that. I just find it funny that nobody but Freddie can do outlandish stuff. If anyone else does, it is crass and unbecoming to the music and a gimmick, etc, etc, etc. I think it is just selective rationalization. All the antics and costumes fit into the persona of Queen past and present, in my opinion. This has nothing to do with "bigging Adam up". To me it is a matter of what is good for the goose, is good for the gander. You can't criticixe one person, when the other one does pretty much the same thing! That is the way that I view this. I really find it funny, to be honest. I applaud Freddie in all his craziness and I am glad Adam feels comfortable enough to let his freak flag fly. I don't know what else to say! Who wants to be like somebody else? You have to be yourself and I think that is what has happened here.

Iron Butterfly wrote: But why did that video bother sweetcaroline enough to say The OMG that was awful? She hasn't explained that. Was it because f the costume or what Freddie wore, or both? It's hardly offensive. I don't think rockchic was bothered by the video and what was worn and what Freddie did in the video. Even though you don't like it either, I don't think you are offended by it. I'd like sweetcaroline to explain her reaction to it. It's pretty harmless what Freddie wore and did, so I don't understand sweetcarolines reaction about it at all. AL should not have free reign in these shows. Except for one song, the rest of the music isn't his. Sometimes it looks like he is taking the piss out thngs. The giving head 'jokes', the ending somebody to love banter, the fat bitches etc. That doesn't come across as funny to me. It's like he is trying too hard to be funny...and he isn't funny when he does it. Something it's like he is taking the piss out of things not Queen history, the Coronet, and Frank especially. Except for one song in these Q+AL shows, it's not an AL solo concert. I don't think he ever should have free reign. I don't know if you know this about me, but I'm a bit Elton John and Bowie fan. Both of them sure have been outlandish in their live shows, I never said only Freddie was outlandish. Freddie, EJ and Bowie were groundbreakers in many ways. Live, fashion wise, in the studio, pretty groundbreaking I say. AL is pretty stale compared to those three artists. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Freddie and AL have been pretty out there at times with what the wore, and how they wore it. For me, and IMO, one of those artists came across as much more genuine and natural. The other guy it's like he is reading and acting out a script.

runner_70 wrote: Surely Adam is not given free reign cause it is not his shitshow. He is destroying QUeen songs with his godawful voice and more over is acting like a twat doesnt help. Freddie looked ridiculous from time to time as well but he did it tongue in cheek. Moreover he wrote most of the songs had a great voice and did not take himself seriously as the annoying tool does. Just look at him when is is wearing his crown.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: But why did that video bother sweetcaroline enough to say The OMG that was awful? She hasn't explained that. Was it because f the costume or what Freddie wore, or both? It's hardly offensive. I don't think rockchic was bothered by the video and what was worn and what Freddie did in the video. Even though you don't like it either, I don't think you are offended by it. I'd like sweetcaroline to explain her reaction to it. It's pretty harmless what Freddie wore and did, so I don't understand sweetcarolines reaction about it at all. AL should not have free reign in these shows. Except for one song, the rest of the music isn't his. Sometimes it looks like he is taking the piss out thngs. The giving head 'jokes', the ending somebody to love banter, the fat bitches etc. That doesn't come across as funny to me. It's like he is trying too hard to be funny...and he isn't funny when he does it. Something it's like he is taking the piss out of things not Queen history, the Coronet, and Frank especially. Except for one song in these Q+AL shows, it's not an AL solo concert. I don't think he ever should have free reign. I don't know if you know this about me, but I'm a bit Elton John and Bowie fan. Both of them sure have been outlandish in their live shows, I never said only Freddie was outlandish. Freddie, EJ and Bowie were groundbreakers in many ways. Live, fashion wise, in the studio, pretty groundbreaking I say. AL is pretty stale compared to those three artists. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Freddie and AL have been pretty out there at times with what the wore, and how they wore it. For me, and IMO, one of those artists came across as much more genuine and natural. The other guy it's like he is reading and acting out a script.

No it didn't bother me in the slightest I only posted it because of runner and happystar going on ad nauseam about Adam's clothes. I don't think Adam has free reign completely but he definitely has a lot of input and although the robot and staging weren't his idea I'd hazard a guess the Killer Queen part probably was. I know he runs ideas by Brian & Roger and if there was something they really hated I'm sure it wouldn't end up in the show but they've all said he has a lot of freedom in the way he chooses to sing, act etc, IMO it couldn't work any other way, you can't be restricted and thinking is this okay all the time. I don't see Adam as not genuine at all but I would say he was more free in his solo shows naturally, since he had complete freedom to do whatever he wanted however he wanted and no one else to consult. From reading all the feedback of the shows for the last few weeks no one mentions any of the stuff he does, they all mention how respectful to Freddie and the band he is and all say he's fun, to me that means they don't take any of the stuff with the robot or the bike seriously and Adam certainly doesn't. Like I've said previously those things only take up a very small part in the show and definitely come across differently live which is why hardly anyone seems to think anything of it, even the die hard fans.

Iron Butterfly wrote: You don't seem the type to be easily offended or insulted by what Freddie wore or did. Thank f**k someone is reasonable here. I just wish AL didn't take the piss out of Frank and the Coronet. Both have deep meaning in Queen history. I can bet if it even looked like some people were taking the piss out of AL, some Glamberts would not be happy. There are many differences of course between AL with Brian and Roger and his own solo shows. I can understandt why he did what he did with his own shows, but his Q+AL persona comes across at times as bad acting, IMO. As a Queen fan, I can't help but wish it was more about the music.

SweetCaroline wrote: I think Inu was confusing me with icy in that queue line because she is the one who is ridiculously annoying in this forum. Freddie can do no wrong and Adam can do no right! I think they both have been exceptional entertainers. It doesn’t matter that Adam didn’t write the Queen songs. He has breathed new life into the production and everyone gets along and has fun doing it. Seeing Brian riding in the back of that golf cart with a big smile on his face was a hoot!

inu-liger wrote: Caroline, if only you knew how many people specifically mentioned you rather disdainfully while I was chatting with people in the queue pre-show at Rotterdam last week whenever the topic of Queenzone came up...

snifflese wrote: Icy, Freddie is not here to sing his songs, and IMO and millions of other concert goers, Adam is the next best thing. That is who Brian and Roger have chosen to tour with, so who cares if Freddie wrote the songs at this point! Is he allowed to sing songs by Brian and Roger? Is that OK? Tons of singers sing other singers songs (LOL) and a lot of the original singers aren't even dead. No one except you gets upset about it. It is bordering on ridiculous at this point. You don't need to know Queen's history to enjoy Queen's song. The two have nothing to do with one another. As I have told you so many times, knowing as much as you do sure ruins QAL for you. I would rather be dumb and pleased, I guess! Truthfully, seeing Freddie in a sparkling onesie on Superman's shoulder in the middle of a Queen song did give me pause for a moment. But as I said, it is a theatrical concert! I still think nothing Adam has done approaches that moment with Superman!! I just don't know how that moment is fine for you, but some of Adam's are not. To me they are pretty much the same. I still think there is pretty much nothing Adam and QAL can do to please you. That is fine, if you would just admit your animus. Instead you throw out a bone about Save Me or some other thing. It is fine that you don't like him, but it gets my goat that you pretend it just isn't so.

snifflese wrote: Icy, I think you are missing the point. Freddie in that youtube is not an affront to me. It is part of a theatrical show. The point is that I don't get why Freddie can do outrageous stuff and wear crazy clothes and you think it is just fine and part of the show. But if Adam does something (which I don't think is as out there as Superman), then that is a problem. To me it makes no difference if Freddie wrote the songs or not. I don't get why that has anything to do with anything. Brian and Roger wrote a good number of them and it is still their band which they perform in and they picked Adam to sing Queen's songs and let him know if something is not acceptable, I am sure. Just because you wrote the song doesn't give you leeway to do anything you want. I can't follow your train of thought on this one at all. I also didn't find the superman thing too cool, just kind of weird, but not offensive or anything. Brian and Roger wrote a lot of the songs and they put the show together (which you mention aove) so why can't Adam do what he does? He has the approval. obviously of Brian and Roger. Adam's antics are done during a Queen show, with the guys who wrote the music and sing the music, who put the show together and oversee all of it. Anything offensive to them would not be done in the show. So, it should all be OK, since it reminds me of many of Freddie's strange outfits and crazy behavior, all of which you find perfectly acceptable. It is hard to wrap my mind around this. So, you don't think Adam is the best person to sing Queen music. It is not just the Glambert handbook who thinks he does a great job. There are tons of people who find he has the perfect voice for Queen's music. I can't think of another person with the range, the ability to switch genres, and have the stamina to sing the to the same standard every night like he does. Who else do you think should be singing? I am really curious who you feel would be better. That is an interesting topic!

runner_70 wrote: Amazing how far this pathetic Glambirds are going saying "who care that Freddie wrote the song" while defending the talentfree ladyboy taking the piss out of this songs. It fucking matters because your prick idol is living on them and destroying them at the same time. He should be ashamed about what he does to the music. And if it was not enough to listen to his godawful powerless screaming girls voice you have to endure his stage manners and crossdressing. as well. Poor people who go there because of Maylor (which is 99%) and have to sit thru this Lametart mess. I pity them.

snifflese wrote: I knew Soto, of course, and I relistened to him again and I do like his voice. He is a strong singer and would sound good, but I am not sure how he would be on some of the more whimsical things like Killer Queen. Not sure he has the right vibe for that. I do like him, though! I could hear him singing a lot of the Queen songs, even tho' I am still partial to Adam's voice. He is a good choice. Best of all the ones I have heard so far! Gary Cherone I wasn't familiar with, so I listened to a bunch of you tubes. Honestly, I didn't care for his voice much. I even heard a song from JC Superstar, with very little instrumentation so you could hear his voice, and it didn't speak to me at all. He has a really pronounced vibrato and an unpleasant tonal quality to his voice that didn't resonate with me. Thanks for the suggestions, Icy!

SweetCaroline wrote: Don’t try to reason with icy. It’s impossible! Only her opinion matters. But it doesn’t really because she has never seen Freddie, Paul or Adam in person. I’m sure she has never seen Jeff Scott Soto or Gary Cherone either. But she is the “expert!”

runner_70 wrote: Extreme were the best band at the Freddie tribute by far. Cherone and Nuno were awesome. With their next album "3 Sides to EVery story" they wen totally Queeny - sadly it flopped and Extreme were more or less done. Great band still awesome live

snifflese wrote: I knew Soto, of course, and I relistened to him again and I do like his voice. He is a strong singer and would sound good, but I am not sure how he would be on some of the more whimsical things like Killer Queen. Not sure he has the right vibe for that. I do like him, though! I could hear him singing a lot of the Queen songs, even tho' I am still partial to Adam's voice. He is a good choice. Best of all the ones I have heard so far! Gary Cherone I wasn't familiar with, so I listened to a bunch of you tubes. Honestly, I didn't care for his voice much. I even heard a song from JC Superstar, with very little instrumentation so you could hear his voice, and it didn't speak to me at all. He has a really pronounced vibrato and an unpleasant tonal quality to his voice that didn't resonate with me. Thanks for the suggestions, Icy!

rockchic65 wrote: Can't imagine why Jeff did the extravaganza, he was way too good for a tribute band type thing.

runner_70 wrote: Iron: Thats what is lacking the most: Lamefart has no feeling in his voice. SInging emotionless like a robot. It's like sex with a plastic doll (not that I had that b4 but thats what I imagine ;))

SweetCaroline wrote: I think Inu was confusing me with icy in that queue line because she is the one who is ridiculously annoying in this forum.

inu-liger wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: I think Inu was confusing me with icy in that queue line because she is the one who is ridiculously annoying in this forum.

Nope. Definitely not. You were specifically mentioned BY NAME, "Caroline," more than once. I don't recall anyone actually mentioning Icy at all. Nice attempt (not!) trying to deflect attention away from the criticism that was aimed at you, however.

SweetCaroline wrote: So Inu what didn’t they like about “Caroline” — that she is too positive and they prefer negative nellies like Icy, happystar and running 70?

SweetCaroline wrote: When I go on about the live QAL shows I have seen as being magnificent, spectacular and magical I have always said it has been because of all of the performers and amazing crew, but people like Icy twist it that I am only complimenting Adam. See the damn show yourself so you will know that it is not only about one person. Maybe you thought the shows with Freddie were all about only him. But this collaboration is about all of them working together as a team. And it IS magnificent. I don’t care what any of you think. I have been to 3 shows and loved every minute of them. Wish I could have gone to more. Didn’t scrutinize that the guitar solo is too long or they should have performed this song instead of that one, blah, blah, blah! I just was thoroughly entertained. If there are some who couldn’t cope with my enthusiasm, that is too damn bad. Stick it where the sun don’t shine! Your negative attitude is your problem, not mine!

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy, speaking of obsessions, do yourself a favor and see a damn shrink! Stop stalking my every post! You never post on QZ unless I’m here. Does the word “rehash” ring a bell with you? Funny how the mod at QOL repeats everything you say first. You are incorrigible!

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy, speaking of obsessions, do yourself a favor and see a damn shrink! Stop stalking my every post! You never post on QZ unless I’m here. Does the word “rehash” ring a bell with you? Funny how the mod at QOL repeats everything you say first. You are incorrigible!

SweetCaroline wrote: I haven’t done anything wrong and owe no one an apology! My only “sin” is being a devoted fan of Brian, Roger, Adam, Spike, Neil, Rufus and now Tyler! If you don’t like it, that is tough!

snifflese wrote: Icy, you sound like a broken record. We don't need to hear your issues with Caroline ad naseum. You have written the same garbage I don't know how many times. If I were an outsider looking in, sure seems to me as if you have the problem. You go after her like a pit bull and won't let go. I am not trying to be mean or hurt your feelings, but you need to stop it. If you didn't make nasty coments about her posts, she wouldn't say anything to you. Can you just ignore, knowing you two are like oil and water? It would be so pleasant if that could happen. You are the one who gets all spun up and you write long paragraphs of things that aren't kind, nor always true , and then you are upset when she replies to you to leave her alone. Avoidance is the only remedy at this point. Engage with other people instead!

snifflese wrote: No, she wouldn't say things if you didn't get on her. Honestly! She only replies after you making scathing remarks about her "spamming". Talk to me or RockChic instead! That would be nice!!

snifflese wrote: Maybe you could both come to a truce and let bygones be bygones and just start over. The only thing I will dispute with you is that you feel no one has been critical of Adam on QOL and I have mentioned several times that I don't agree with that. There has not been anything much for the last year or so, but some long time posters made some couched homophobic remarks that left me scratching my head saying to myself,"Wasn't Freddie gay?" Fairy Dandy was the worst one, but I do feel there were inappropriate remarks made over the years. Just like here I don't think it is nice what Runner and Happy Star say referring to his transvestite image and calling him Lady.... To me those are veiled homophobic remarks, but on QOL, it was much more obvious. I really do feel Adam was stigmatized for his "gayness" in the beginning. I think his trajectory would have been totally different if not for those unfortunate AMA's. He got hammered for his orientation and I am not sure others would have weathered it so well. It has certainly not been smooth sailing like it has been for our mutual buddy Sam Smith. I don't know why one gets a pass and the other doesn't. I guess Sam is less in your face, although some of his pics have been more Adamlike recently (more power to him!). I do believe some of the problems Adam has had have been a result of his sexuality, particularly early on. He has mentioned it more lately and I don't feel he is one to lie or make up stories. I think Caroline is right about that.

Brancelli wrote: just rewatched the gridlock performance. Very good, Powerful. His "rock voice" is more suited for Zeppelin or GNR. Not Queen. This is one heck of a performance for Adam: link

snifflese wrote: Icy, I am not in any way comparing homophobia back in Freddie's time and now. There is absolutely no comparison. It must have been awful and I cannot even imagine. I do think great strides have been made since 2009. No one would even blink about the AMA's now. I have seen things on TV I would never have anticipated years ago. I think great strides have been made but 10 years ago it was quite different than now. We will have to respectfully disagree about homophobia on QOL. I see it quite differently, but that is OK! I don't think too many Glamberts are upset about Madam. It is actually kind of cute and it isn't things like that which I am referring to. I am glad that things are getting out in the world and people are free to be who they want to be. I do think it would be in Adam's best interests not to share quite so many pics and things, as not everyone is as liberal as others. But I am sure he would not care to have those people for fans! I guess artists just have to be their best selves and that is all they can do!

SweetCaroline wrote: So Inu what didn’t they like about “Caroline” — that she is too positive and they prefer negative nellies like Icy, happystar and running 70?

rockchic65 wrote: I agree his rock voice would be very suited to Gun's, Zep or Aerosmith maybe. I don't personally think the gridlock one is the best example of WLL, from a technical vocal pov I prefer Moscow, far more controlled but it doesn't help that the gridlock one still isn't a great recording even after being improved. As to not suiting Queen, voice and especially stage presence wise, I disagree, and especially this tour, people are absolutely loving him. Queen were theatrical but I'm sure if they'd gone with a singer more straightforward rock initially, that would have worked great as well, but after seeing Adam's take on it, it just works. Granted if he wasn't an amazing singer he wouldn't get away with all the other stuff, or more to the point it wouldn't make up for not being able to sing, but the two things together work great IMO.

inu-liger wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: So Inu what didn’t they like about “Caroline” — that she is too positive and they prefer negative nellies like Icy, happystar and running 70?

That's your problem: What YOU mistake for being "too positive," people actually said you "go overboard," are "annoying," "super mental." More was said, but these are words I recall were directly uttered, and I'm not making shit up here. They also said you contribute to making this website look bad, and to reference what you said above, believe me, other were people WERE mentioned and not just you alone, but the fact of the matter is, you were probably THE one most mentioned very negatively out of all the negative nasties. But you probably won't care, because you seem to have a real mental problem that ties in with a severely stubborn inability to accept fault or take responsibility for how your actions really DO reflect on the site to other users AND casual outsider visitors to the site. You can think all you want that I'm being an asshole saying all this to you, and that's fine by me because I don't care if you do, I'm only telling you the facts on my part anyway, and I don't argue with the facts.

snifflese wrote: Icy, I do have one thing to comment on. You said in the above post, , "It's just so wrong for anyone to say100's of people on QOL don't accept AL because he is gay". I am assuming you meant me and I can see you saying that Sniffleses said this...... about people on QOL. That is what I mean about twisting things people say. I said there were some people (FD in particular) and some others who made dicey remarks. This is a handful over time. I am not sure there have ever been 100's or posters on QOL since I have been reading there. There are not a whole lot of people actually! Please don't repeat the statement about the 100's, because that was not said or meant. I agree totally with what Sea Lion says. There is a world of difference between a raw male oriented rock group and Queen. Queen music is over the top (Fat Bottom Girls anyone/) and they require an over the top singer who has the vocal range of the music. There are not many people who fit the bill. Yes, I suppose Adam could be a little more natural, but I think concerts are more scripted now and if it works, let's keep it in. That said for me, Marc Martel is not very dynamic. I probably wouldn't go to see Queen with him singing. He reminds me of Paul Rogers somewhat (not the voice) but having little charisma. I also don't like the tone of his voice on some of the ballads and more whimsical material. I have seen quite a few youtubes where he sounds pretty bad and his fans always say it is the end of the tour! Doesn't seem that his voice is as reliable as Adam. That is one of Adam's greatest strengths actually.

SweetCaroline wrote: Yup all of these guys, QAL, QE, new QE are planning their shows with the express goal of pleasing and giving a “bonus” to Icy up in Canada because SHE is the most devoted Queen fan who ever walked this earth! God help us!

SweetCaroline wrote: Both the new QE guy and Martel are miles apart from Adam, who is second only to Freddie!

snifflese wrote: Icy, why can't Caroline have that opinion? It wasn't as easy to watch Queen before the internet and youtubes. I have only been watching videos on-line since 2009 and that is because of Adam. From the moment I saw him on Idol, I got a lap top and started watching youtubes. I thought I was in 7th heaven. All I had ever heard before were Queen albums and CD's and I am sure that is the case with Caroline. There is something about watching a person on youtube or listening on a stream. I was amazed that you could do that and it is a richer experience than a just listening to a CD. I liked Adam because of the voice and he reminded me of Elvis whom I loved. I have seen Elvis in concert and Adam has that same "Watch Me" effect that Elvis did. I think I have heard Carloline say the same and also many Glamberts. For us Adam was a big reminder of Elvis, just a different kind of voice. I have certainly seen way more of Adam and QAL than Queen with Freddie just because of the new technology (to me anyway!) a nd the fact that I was retired. I also like Adam second to Freddie and I think that is allowed. I don't know why it bothers you so much that some of us really love QAL. It is the way it is. No one currently comes close to Adam singing the Queen repetoire, IMO. That isn't promoting or bigging up. It is just our preference. I do think Soto comes the closest for me after Adam, but he doesn't have the really high range, but I like his sound. Maybe it is just because I have heard Adam sing with them so many times over the years that it sounds natural to me, like that is the way it is supposed to be and the others don't sound right. Just like you love Freddie, some of us love Adam in the same way, since Freddie is not here to sing anymore.

Brancelli wrote: rockchick, I completely agree with something you wrote on the previous page. Unfortunately I'm not adept at responding to a particular post. I've never heard the WLL from Russia, but if that's the same place he sang an incredible version of Sleepwalker then I bet is was very good, he seemed to be in good form for that particular song. Will look for it now. And Caroline, the fact that you "panicked" because someone else was successful singing Queen songs is all I really need to know. You have a disease, and need help.

SweetCaroline wrote: Both the new QE guy and Martel are miles apart from Adam, who is second only to Freddie!

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Brancelli wrote: just rewatched the gridlock performance. Very good, Powerful. His "rock voice" is more suited for Zeppelin or GNR. Not Queen. This is one heck of a performance for Adam: link

Don't hate me, or call me negative, but I don't like him covering WLL at all. I know it's held up as some sort of example that he can sing rock, but there are better harder rock songs he has done. TYMD at one show in particular was pretty damn good, I wish that version was still up on YouTube. He has improved, I will give hm that, but songs like Stone Cold Crazy isn't his strongest point, IMO. Things like Save Me suit him better than I thought possible. So that is that.

Brancelli wrote: Thanks rockchick! I would have never found it. Good to see an edit button as well, as I'm often an idiot and post too quickly without reading over my comment first. Ok, so I just watched the WLL from Russia. My thoughts are that the beginning is much better than gridlock (he might have been a little flat), but I think the ending (last 3 minutes or so) are better from gridlock, in terms of vocals. The band was seemed better for Russia, and they were both incredible vocal performances regardless of which one was better. I loved that Adam changed it up a bit. I think Adam plays it a little safe with Queen and doesn't want to stray too much from the studio vocals, maybe out of respect for the audience who has come to hear what they are familiar with. Just a simple opinion that could be wrong. And with all due respect, Robert Plant (great as he is) doesn't have a live version of that song as impressive. Someone send me a link if they disagree. I still think Adam is more suited for Zeppelin than Queen. Also, that Maxidrom festival might be the best I've seen Adam vocally. The last 2 or 3 minutes of Sleepwalker is insane. I honestly cannot see how anyone could listen to it and not come away impressed.

runner_70 wrote: WLL is even worse than those awful Queen versions. Anyone who thinks his yodeling is sny good needs to see a doctor. Really i mean it

runner_70 wrote: I still say he cannot sing: He has a bad timing (listened to SMGO and he was constantly 1-2 seconds behind the music), bad pronounciation, his yodeling is annoying and unnecessary and his voice is paperthin in the upper register. He might hit high notes but it sounds atrocious. Like a goat hence he is known as the goatboy everywhere.

The Real Wizard wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Both the new QE guy and Martel are miles apart from Adam, who is second only to Freddie!

You've generally seemed alright sparring with Queen fans while appearing to be open-minded about Adam's role in this incarnation of the band, but now you've completely lost the plot. If you think Lambert is closer to Mercury in voice than Marc Martel, then you need to give your ears a wash and attain some basic musical literacy. Lambert is a good front man, but tonally and stylistically he is nothing like Mercury, while Martel is a dead ringer 95% of the time. It's not even debatable. If your love for Lambert has resulted in this much bias and dogmatic disregard for what is so obviously true and you have no desire in investigating why you're so embarrassingly wrong, then you should take your activities to an Adam Lambert forum and stop wasting your time here. This place is out of your league.

Brancelli wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Brancelli wrote: just rewatched the gridlock performance. Very good, Powerful. His "rock voice" is more suited for Zeppelin or GNR. Not Queen. This is one heck of a performance for Adam: link

Don't hate me, or call me negative, but I don't like him covering WLL at all. I know it's held up as some sort of example that he can sing rock, but there are better harder rock songs he has done. TYMD at one show in particular was pretty damn good, I wish that version was still up on YouTube. He has improved, I will give hm that, but songs like Stone Cold Crazy isn't his strongest point, IMO. Things like Save Me suit him better than I thought possible. So that is that.

Hey Iron, I can respect that. We're all different, and people like are gonna have differing appeals. That's natural as human beings. What I do believe is that you are a music lover, and not a troll here. Glad to have different and sometimes similar opinions, and discuss respectfully. Some people just insult (Caroline, again, I think I did go over the line with you, was a bit frustrated . . . I apologize). It's good to have an open discussion, and I do try to see opposing points of view to my own, as difficult as it may be. Some are just cretinous though and worth ignoring.

rockchic65 wrote: I think in this case Caroline meant second only to Freddie in talent level not how he sounds, at least that's how I read what she put, but I could be wrong.

runner_70 wrote: rockchic: Listen to his timing: He is always one or two seconds early or too late. Sure you gonna say that he does it on purpose but he doesnt nail one single song timing wise and it sounds atrocious . Why cant you guys accept critic where it is necessary. Yoedling scales doesnt make you a great singer - the same as doing pentatonic scales on guitar without feeling. And feeling and depth is whats lacking as well as far as Lame-Berts vocals go

runner_70 wrote: "Stylistic thing" when you cannot hold the timing to one single song. I give upo. Case closed. Glamberts are just pathetic. And I listen to LOTS oif old school rck stuff with high vocals. Not a single single is yodeling up and don unnecessariily like Lame-Bird does. Listen to Bruce Dickinson or Michael Kiske from Helloween. The latter has even are more high pitched voice but he is singing awesome without doing the "riffing" as you put it (never heard "riffing" when it comes to vocals" tbh - but as Glamerts are knowitalls and always have an excuse for his lukewarm singing no need to argue there as well): His voice is unlistenable to me. And on his studio recordings there are lots of autotuning vocal effects. If he was such an inconic winger he would not need those. Just saying....

runner_70 wrote: No yodeling at all in this clips. Yodeling for ms is up and down and up and down as the annoying tool does on WATC and all those other songs where it is absolutely unnecessary. Got it now???

Sealion wrote: If you think, Lambert is off-beat on SMGO then Google the term “syncope“. It‘s done on purpose. I have seen him singing that song in Cologne and Wembley this tour. It was brilliant.

Sealion wrote: LOL. Yes, I know, that the term also means something else in English. I actually thought, that even the runner is clever enough to look for it’s meaning concerning music. By the way, it‘s the same word in German. ;-) „Synkope“.

runner_70 wrote: This "other qualities" are pretty unknown to the rest of the world so maybe enlighten us? He sucks on every imaginable level: Voice-wise, Msic-wise , look-wise. An annoying tool making Queen a laughing stock

runner_70 wrote: Every serious fan and musician laughes about this completely irrelevant and laughable collaboration which will go down in history as the biggest mismatch of a huge rockband ever. Absolutely atrocious seeing two exlegends with this sad clown

runner_70 wrote: Funny that rc is stating that i am posting all the time while 5 seconds after i post sth on here there is a rc reply (which is just Showing her being clueless as all glamtarts are)

runner_70 wrote: I rather listwn to a "struggling" MM than than to Lamefart yodeling his ugly way thru his upper Register. And last time I checked MM did not look like an overweight ladyboy and did not come across as an absolute twat like Lame-Bird

runner_70 wrote: I am objective when I say that Lamefuck cannot sing to save his Life. He is fucking yodeling with his annoying screeching voice

runner_70 wrote: Dont like is an understatement. I hate everything about him

runner_70 wrote: He deserves the hate as he makes my once fave band a laughing stock and ridicules them

SweetCaroline wrote: “As a monstrous, monumental, mountainish Queen fan, I can tell you that Adam Lambert was the greatest thing that could happen to Brian May and Roger Taylor. They really found the right guy. I am certain Freddie would have loved him, rest his beautiful soul.” I’ve seen that kind of comment more often than those of the hateful trolls in this forum!

snifflese wrote: Icy, your inner dislike always comes out. You need to stop pretending you like QAL. Everything you say is negative except for you like Save Me. That honestly doesn't make you much of a fan of QAL and that is fine, but I hate when you pretend that you are. Just be honest at this point. There ain't much you like about it a all. It is always "damning with faint praise". That is exactly what you always do, a perfect description.

SweetCaroline wrote: And when you claim to be Queen’s greatest fan by your hateful posts...it is bull crap!

SweetCaroline wrote: Glamberts have been celebrating the July birthdays of both Brian and Roger as they fell several times during the QAL concerts. They have not been forgotten!

SweetCaroline wrote: “DrBrianMay Well, I did promise to reveal what this is ... we're looking at various ideas at BMG ( BrianMayGuitars) - but this one called out loudly to me ! Ya think ? Bri” link

SweetCaroline wrote: I posted it here because of the NOTW robot.

runner_70 wrote: She still treis to figure out what this robot is all about. Too bad lamefart is mocking this iconic 1977 thing with his lame "head" comments while sitting on him. Utterly cringeworthy. Fuck him

SweetCaroline wrote: And, icy, YOU take the piss out of everything!

runner_70 wrote: Cool guitar

runner_70 wrote: If the guitar has anything QAL related in it i surely would not like it. But as far as I can see it is just the red Special with a Frank airbrush on it. And for me Frank stands for News of The World not QAK. But as Glamtarts are completely clueless in Queen history i will forgive you

runner_70 wrote: SHut the fuck up you twat. The Frank image is also on a t-shirt with the NOTW logo as Queen Dont try to tell me sth about Queen history. The image is inspired by the NOTW Cover . It might have been re-used for the current tour but it has nothing to do with Queen plus Adam Lame-Ass. Dont rewrite history . I know that it is not the original Red Special . And if it is airbrushed or not I dont give a fuck smartass. Now continue listening to your prick idol

runner_70 wrote: Fuck off you fucking twat with your twists and turns you cunt. Frank is still known as Queen image not sth Lamefart connected you asshole. The guitar is not even commercially available you dumbfuck

runner_70 wrote: Still it is most commonly know as artwork for NOTW and not for being used at a QAL show you sad shitface.

SweetCaroline wrote: OMG that was awful. I never saw Freddie sitting on Superman’s shoulders. Was that considered “classy?”

snifflese wrote: Rockchic! Hi! It is nice to meet you and I always enjoy reading your posts. They are very calm and you make excellent points! You seem as if you are interested in Adam's voice, which I very much am. If you are not, please ignore, but if you are, there were a few really interesting posts on Adamtopia for the 7.7.18 (A day off) thread. Cassie (voice instructor, great friend of an opera singer, teacher) posts interesting things about the technical side of the voice. She had spoken with her friend who maintains that Adam would be a star in the opera world. Someone else comes in to dispute that and I found what she said fascinating. Her opinion is that Adam's voice is higher than the usual tenor and she goes on to deliieate the different "Facher" for a tenor voice and how just like in pop, his voice does not fit the parameters. She mentions how rigid opera is and we know Adam is def. loosey goosey! That might not have played so well on the opera stage. Adam did begin in the operatic, classical area, if you look at his first you tubes (and that is the music I love to hear him sing) and then he veered off into more popular music. It is a long post with interesting points. Adam is kind of a man without any specific category which is unusual nowadays. I know Adamtopia can be a little extreme as in TMI. I am astounded at some of the stuff on there, just way tooo personal, but I do appreciate the info sometimes and this particular thread I found enlightening. Just wanted to pass it on!

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: OMG that was awful. I never saw Freddie sitting on Superman’s shoulders. Was that considered “classy?”

Pearl clutching time for Granny Glambert. From page 24.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: OMG that was awful. I never saw Freddie sitting on Superman’s shoulders. Was that considered “classy?”

Pearl clutching time for Granny Glambert. From page 24.

She’s a loser anyways.

snifflese wrote: I guess when there is nothing going on, you have to pull crap out of your behind. Both of you have major issues! Amazing how much time you must have on your hands to go back and look at old posts. Seems like some people sure live unsatisfying, boring lives or they wouldn't be behaving like this. Every day I am more astounded by what goes here. Just when you think it can't be any worse, it is!!

snifflese wrote: I guess when there is nothing going on, you have to pull crap out of your behind. Both of you have major issues! Amazing how much time you must have on your hands to go back and look at old posts. Seems like some people sure live unsatisfying, boring lives or they wouldn't be behaving like this. Every day I am more astounded by what goes here. Just when you think it can't be any worse, it is!!

MisterCosmicc wrote:

snifflese wrote: I guess when there is nothing going on, you have to pull crap out of your behind. Both of you have major issues! Amazing how much time you must have on your hands to go back and look at old posts. Seems like some people sure live unsatisfying, boring lives or they wouldn't be behaving like this. Every day I am more astounded by what goes here. Just when you think it can't be any worse, it is!!

Queen’s music was so universal. One listen to an Adam track, and you can’t even figure out who in the world can relate to those damn lyrics.

MisterCosmicc wrote: One listen to an Adam track, and you can’t even figure out who in the world can relate to those damn lyrics.

Holly2003 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: One listen to an Adam track, and you can’t even figure out who in the world can relate to those damn lyrics.

Ghost Town is one I can relate to these days...

MisterCosmicc wrote: Yes me too... all the time. A song for every mood.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Holly2003 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: One listen to an Adam track, and you can’t even figure out who in the world can relate to those damn lyrics.

Ghost Town is one I can relate to these days...

Can't tell if you are being great sarcastic or not ;-). That's actually one of my favorites by Lambert. I think quite a few of us can identify with that one these days.