| dysan 15.11.2017 08:25 |
Posting in the other thread, would anyone with a bit of spare time be able to make me a version of Live Magic. Basically, retaining all the edits on the cassette / vinyl version, but adding the opera section of BR back in. The original Japanese CD had the cassette edits (which I like), but obviously omitted the opera bit so that might be a starting point. I mean, I could probably have a crack at this myself, but you know.. |
| dysan 20.02.2018 20:38 |
As part of my ongoing exciting life, I have now completed this project on my beloved Live Magic. I didn't realise the Japanese CD also kept the cassette edit of HTF too. So I now have all the original edits in digital, plus the opera section added back in (nearly) seamlessly. That 'bang' on the edit was left in because it's all part of the fun. Anyway. As you were. |
| Barry Durex 20.02.2018 22:32 |
Is the Japanese CD a different edit to the UK CD? |
| The Real Wizard 23.02.2018 06:09 |
I had no idea that there were different versions of the album. So you're saying a cassette version had the opera section of BoRhap intact? Are there complete versions of TYMD, Break Free, Ga Ga, WWRY, Friends, or WATC from Knebworth !? Or are certain songs even shorter on the cassette? |
| MackMantilla 23.02.2018 15:58 |
I think he refers to the japanese CD being shorter than the UK release, containing the same edits as the vinyl / cassette (A Kind Of Magic, Another One Bites The Dust, Hammer To Fall, etc.) |
| The Real Wizard 23.02.2018 21:36 |
But that still doesn't answer my question. Which songs are edited differently on which versions? |
| MackMantilla 23.02.2018 23:15 |
The Real Wizard wrote: But that still doesn't answer my question. Which songs are edited differently on which versions?From what I remember Japanese CD / cassette / vinyl: -A Kind of magic (shorter guitar solo) -Another one bites the dust (shorter vocal improvisation) -Hammer to fall (2nd verse edited out) |
| Barry Durex 24.02.2018 10:24 |
Discogs also mentions a 24 bit remaster CD from Japan released in 2001. |
| dudeofqueen 26.02.2018 10:20 |
Barry, re: >24 bit remaster CD from Japan released in 2004 and again in 2008. That's one highly polished and *VERY* shiny turd....... |
| Barry Durex 26.02.2018 13:47 |
That might be so, but what are the lengths of each track? |
| dysan 26.02.2018 18:18 |
JAP: |
| dysan 26.02.2018 18:18 |
UK: |
| Chinwonder2 26.02.2018 18:44 |
The songs that stand out to me are Boh Rhap and HTF from the Japanese as they look to be at least 1 minute longer than the UK release. :P -Chin |
| dysan 26.02.2018 18:59 |
Sorry.. that Bo Rhap is my version with the opera section added back in. |
| dysan 26.02.2018 19:00 |
Also Chin I must say excellent work on the other threads I've seen where you supply links to requests. |
| Barry Durex 26.02.2018 19:19 |
Can anyone confirm if the track times for the original Jap CD are the same as the Jap 24 bit remaster released in 2001? |
| dysan 26.02.2018 19:27 |
Yes. I was surprised to find this. |
| Chinwonder2 26.02.2018 19:39 |
dysan wrote: Sorry.. that Bo Rhap is my version with the opera section added back in.Ahh, that’s alright :) Thanks, I always try to help people in those situations because we were all like that at one stage! :) -Chin |
| Marlamir 26.02.2018 23:50 |
can someone tell why they make so many versions of live magic? what the purpose of this? uk have duff. cuts, europe have diff. cuts, japanese have diff cuts. |
| Barry Durex 27.02.2018 09:06 |
dysan wrote: Yes. I was surprised to find this.Can you possibly pm me a link to a transfer of the Jap CD that you used? |
| dysan 27.02.2018 13:05 |
This is highly unorthodox |
| Barry Durex 27.02.2018 14:08 |
Just wanted to compare the Jap remaster to the UK release, that's all. Nearly as unorthodox as your request in the opening post I guess. |
| MackMantilla 27.02.2018 15:56 |
Marlamir wrote: can someone tell why they make so many versions of live magic? what the purpose of this? uk have duff. cuts, europe have diff. cuts, japanese have diff cuts.what are the differences between UK and EU versions?? |
| Marlamir 27.02.2018 18:00 |
Uk version is longer. EU version have shorter A.O.B.T.D. and some other songs are shorter too, but dont remember which one exactly. |
| dysan 28.02.2018 15:34 |
Will get up online for those interested once wetransfer is back online. |
| Barry Durex 28.02.2018 16:07 |
Just to make it clear, I only asked for a pm as it's official. |
| MackMantilla 28.02.2018 16:54 |
Marlamir wrote: Uk version is longer. EU version have shorter A.O.B.T.D. and some other songs are shorter too, but dont remember which one exactly.so EU version should use the same edits as LP / cassette as on japanese CD. |
| Marlamir 28.02.2018 16:54 |
im very interested to make a listen to this. anyway as barry said its official stuff so how you want to share it? |
| Marlamir 28.02.2018 17:00 |
@MackMantilla probably yes, i dont remember what exactly was cutted in those versions because is years since i listen to live magic, so i cant tell exactly |
| Barry Durex 01.03.2018 08:46 |
Here's the complete list of all 91 releases link Does anyone actually have the 24 bit Jap remaster TOCP-65858 released in 2001? |
| dudeofqueen 01.03.2018 14:30 |
re: >what are the differences between UK and EU versions?? None - they're both a pile of shit not worthy of the band. |
| dysan 01.03.2018 14:39 |
How so, dudeofqueen? |
| The Real Wizard 01.03.2018 18:12 |
It sucks that some of the songs are edited, but it's a partial soundboard of Queen's last gig - pretty valuable for that reason alone. |
| dysan 01.03.2018 18:47 |
I think the worst thing about it is that the inlay is that picture of the helicopter rather than the cool live shot on the back of the CD. |
| dudeofqueen 02.03.2018 15:37 |
Dysan, re: >How so, dudeofqueen? The edits are both clumsy and unnecessary. As live albums go, it's about as representative of Queen as "Who's Last" was to The Who. There were better performances available for the band to release but out of either laziness or greed, it was just knocked out in a clumsy hurry. |
| Chinwonder2 02.03.2018 16:50 |
Whilst on the subject of Live Magic, here's a little present :) It's a rip of the UK 1986 vinyl: link LP > ION Max LP Turntable > Audacity > Speed Correction > FLAC Level 8 Enjoy! :) Track Listing: 1. One Vision (Knebworth) 2. Tie Your Mother Down (Knebworth) 3. Seven Seas Of Rhye (Knebworth) 4. A Kind Of Magic (Budapest) 5. Under Pressure (Budapest) 6. Another One Bites The Dust (Knebworth) 7. Vocal Improv (Knebworth) 8. I Want To Break Free (Knebworth) 9. Is This The World We Created...? (Wembley 1st Night) 10. Bohemian Rhapsody (Knebworth) 11. Hammer To Fall (Wembley 2nd Night) 12. Radio Ga Ga (Knebworth) 13. We Will Rock You (Knebworth) 14. Friends Will Be Friends (Knebworth) 15. We Are The Champions (Knebworth) 16. God Save The Queen (Knebworth) -Chin |
| dysan 02.03.2018 18:11 |
Haha nice one! We're through the Live Magic K-hole here. @dudeofqueen - I do agree, it's impossible not to with 30 years of hindsight, but having heard it before I'd heard other shows and even knew it was edited it was a key album for me and will forever remind me of Christmas '86. Weirdly, the longer versions don't! |
| The Real Wizard 02.03.2018 18:48 |
dudeofqueen wrote: The edits are both clumsy and unnecessary. As live albums go, it's about as representative of Queen as "Who's Last" was to The Who. There were better performances available for the band to release but out of either laziness or greed, it was just knocked out in a clumsy hurry.Can't disagree with you there. The biz wanted to cash in on the Magic tour. You can bet your right nut that there weren't too many bands in the 70s and 80s who said "hey, let's release a live album." And considering how much Queen hated Live Killers, you can also bet your left nut that it wasn't their idea. |
| dysan 02.03.2018 18:57 |
Compared to LK it's a dud. Like comparing Bowie's 'David Live' to his 'Stage' - the drama and place in time of DL was absent from S it was just a clinical cold document of a tour. That said, Live Magic has spirit and rocks in a way the overlong Wembley release doesn't seem to. I think we had a recent thread about it - Had they managed to select a tracklist that didn't duplicate anything off LK (allowing them edits for whatever reason commercial / space etc), I think LM would be held in much higher regard and the pair of them would still be on catalogue. |
| dysan 02.03.2018 19:03 |
One Vision In the Lap of the Gods... Revisited Seven Seas of Rhye Tear It Up A Kind of Magic Under Pressure Another One Bites the Dust Who Wants to Live Forever I Want to Break Free Is This the World We Created? Tutti Frutti Friends Will Be Friends Hammer to Fall Crazy Little Thing Called Love Radio Ga Ga 15 tracks. Done. QPL Coin it in. Although you can imagine the meltdown in the boardroom of a Queen live release without certain tracks! Hence why we ended up with what we got, no doubt. |
| bootLuca 02.03.2018 20:17 |
Barry Durex wrote: Here's the complete list of all 91 releases link Does anyone actually have the 24 bit Jap remaster TOCP-65858 released in 2001?Yes, I do.... do you need a rip? could someone create the longest possible version? |
| dysan 02.03.2018 21:01 |
Good idea. |
| Barry Durex 02.03.2018 21:33 |
bootLuca wrote:Yes please bootLuca, I would like to hear the 24 bit remaster. Perhaps you could pm me a link? Thanks.Barry Durex wrote: Here's the complete list of all 91 releases link Does anyone actually have the 24 bit Jap remaster TOCP-65858 released in 2001?Yes, I do.... do you need a rip? |
| bootLuca 02.03.2018 22:08 |
Barry Durex wrote:please pm me your emailbootLuca wrote:Yes please bootLuca, I would like to hear the 24 bit remaster. Perhaps you could pm me a link? Thanks.Barry Durex wrote: Here's the complete list of all 91 releases link Does anyone actually have the 24 bit Jap remaster TOCP-65858 released in 2001?Yes, I do.... do you need a rip? |
| Barry Durex 03.03.2018 13:05 |
Thanks bootLuca, as I suspected, the 2001 Jap remaster is a longer duration than the original Jap release. It's the same length as the UK version and I think it sounds pretty good myself. I was a little confused as to where the 24 bit came to be until I read this online, which goes some way to explain the process - ''When it comes to CD audio, "24-bit" *can* mean that the original recording was captured at a higher bit depth, and that any subsequent processing done at the mastering stage was done in 24-bit, but it still gets down sampled to 16/44''. |
| dysan 04.03.2018 08:08 |
Could you send a link to my PM? |
| dysan 04.03.2018 08:08 |
plz :) |
| Barry Durex 04.03.2018 08:25 |
If bootLuca has no objections, I'll gladly send you his link. Out of curiosity, where did you get the Bo Rhap opera part from? |
| dysan 04.03.2018 09:37 |
Speed corrected Budapest. Worth saying that when the band comes back in was a pain to hide the BOOM! - anyone who fancies a shot at it do please have a go. |
| MackMantilla 05.03.2018 16:26 |
bootLuca wrote: could someone create the longest possible version?That would be nice :) |
| dysan 05.03.2018 19:49 |
Ideally QPL and make it available to us at a reasonable price. Maybe CMI could have a think about it? |