| Oscar J 25.05.2017 13:05 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Space#.22Cool_Cat.22 This article claims that Cool Cat "possibly" is the only segment with John using popping. It's quite easy to prove that false: https://youtu.be/A1NzE1cyes8?t=2m20s Another instance is, probably, a few of John's little fills in Get Down Make Love. Does anyone have any more examples? Maybe on The Game if you look hard enough? |
| matt z 25.05.2017 18:54 |
Possibly on GAGA but the entire thing is "coated" (encoded rather) with dynamic changes so it's hard to tell where synth ends and bass begins. Football fight has a touch of plucking Let's not forget CRAZY LITTLE THING. .. |
| cmsdrums 26.05.2017 03:23 |
Don't Try Suicide? |
| Vocal harmony 26.05.2017 05:46 |
I always felt that John's use of this style was very much because it was flavour of the month at the time and he felt he had to go with it. I really don't think his use of the technique made a huge difference to the songs and he could have played within his usual style, as apposed to a band like Level 42 where Mark King's bass playing style is very much the anchor or riff around which many of the songs are built. |
| Oscar J 26.05.2017 09:08 |
Matt z: I only hear fingerstyle on the latter two. cmsdrums: Yeah, either he has very hard fingers, or he's indeed using his thumb bone a bit on that one. Strictly speaking I guess that's slapping rather than popping. Vocal harmony: I agree that it didn't have a huge impact on their songs. I don't fully agree with the theory that he felt like "he had" to use it, I think he was listening a lot to soul and funk and played around with it. He was never one to play certain things to show off technique or just for the sake of it. |
| matt z 26.05.2017 13:35 |
On football fight i meant prior to the cheesy synth ...but it could just be a swift grainy slide down the neck |
| liam 27.05.2017 02:04 |
He pops in Bicycle Race. Hard to hear due to the vocals but on the isolated tracks you can hear it. During the ''ýou say black, I say white etc' parts. |
| matt z 27.05.2017 02:48 |
liam wrote: He pops in Bicycle Race. Hard to hear due to the vocals but on the isolated tracks you can hear it. During the ''ýou say black, I say white etc' parts.Ah of course! I'd forgotten about those little trills and flubs. Funny since the rest of the bass line is melodious. THAT DEACON! FANTASTIC BASS PLAYER |
| dysan 27.05.2017 06:32 |
I was thinking about Deacon being integral to the sound of different albums. From the busy 'classic' style of the mid 70s, through the heavy use of the vamping slides of Jazz, to switching to rhythm guitar on Hot Space. I'm sure there's more distinct Deacon eras. |
| Sebastian 27.05.2017 07:36 |
dysan wrote: to switching to rhythm guitar on Hot SpaceHe switched to rhythm guitar on one song, and did both bass and rhythm guitar on two others. Would you say Brian 'switched to' synthesisers on The Miracle? |
| dysan 27.05.2017 08:00 |
You know full well I was talking generally - his role on those songs directed the sound more so than him on acoustic on Misfire. |
| dysan 27.05.2017 08:02 |
Also, that's him on funky guitar on Party isn't it? Can't say I ever noticed it before having a listen yesterday. |
| Oscar J 27.05.2017 16:40 |
liam wrote: He pops in Bicycle Race. Hard to hear due to the vocals but on the isolated tracks you can hear it. During the ''ýou say black, I say white etc' parts. Well I did provide a YT vid with timestamps in my OP. :) |
| Sebastian 27.05.2017 21:24 |
dysan wrote: You know full well I was talking generally - his role on those songs directed the sound more so than him on acoustic on Misfire.Not really - Misfire is mostly driven by acoustic strums and electric harmonies, all of which were played by John (except for the bits Brian added in the end). That's arguably a more significant 'leading' role than what he did on 'Back Chat' and 'Cool Cat.' 'Staying Power', on stage, featured him more or less prominently, but in the studio he only did a few double-stops here and there and that was it. Roger's tambourine on ''39' was featured far more than John's rhythm guitar on SP. |
| dysan 28.05.2017 02:26 |
I was referring to Misfire dictating the sound of the album. His roles on ALBUMS was my point. AS YOU WELL KNOW. ALBUMS SEBASTIAN. ALBUMS!!!!!!! |
| mooghead 29.05.2017 10:52 |
I have sent muso friends the isolated bass track from Bicycle Race and they cant believe the brilliance of what is happening so low down in the mix. Same with Radio Ga Ga, though that is more to do with the imagination of a bass track that could have been very routine but actually adds so much to the overall sound/finished product. He really is a true genius. Such a strange and unlikely rock star. I respect him more than anyone else is the music business, mainly for walking away when it became apparent it was all over. |
| The Real Wizard 29.05.2017 12:48 |
mooghead wrote: I have sent muso friends the isolated bass track from Bicycle Race and they cant believe the brilliance of what is happening so low down in the mix.Yep. His contribution to this song is pure genius. |
| Saint Jiub 29.05.2017 13:35 |
The Real Wizard wrote:mooghead wrote: I have sent muso friends the isolated bass track from Bicycle Race and they cant believe the brilliance of what is happening so low down in the mix.Yep. His contribution to this song is pure genius. Thanks for this masterpiece. ... That was so much fun, I had to listen to it three times. |
| Oscar J 29.05.2017 13:58 |
Yeah, possibly his best bass track or at least up there. It has pretty much everything. |
| matt z 29.05.2017 15:33 |
BRAVO! --- JOHN DEACON! (*pause for applause) I never got those stems. T'was a bad time in the days of Matt. However, thanks for making the morning start right listening to these iso tracks. John is truly an essential part of the band sound that unfortunately gets overlooked. I think part of my reasoning for bringing him up (*and fans bringing him up various times) is the incredible loss as a creative part of the band. I think we just want to hear more of the dude in that selfish "what if Jimi Hendrix recorded one more album" kind of way. (*only on a less front line instrument) This August i wish i could organize a John Deacon flashmob in Hollywood. Just a bunch of Deacon masks. It'd probably get news coverage since the camera are already there. |
| Fireplace 29.05.2017 20:13 |
matt z wrote: BRAVO! --- JOHN DEACON! (*pause for applause) I never got those stems. T'was a bad time in the days of Matt. However, thanks for making the morning start right listening to these iso tracks. John is truly an essential part of the band sound that unfortunately gets overlooked. I think part of my reasoning for bringing him up (*and fans bringing him up various times) is the incredible loss as a creative part of the band. I think we just want to hear more of the dude in that selfish "what if Jimi Hendrix recorded one more album" kind of way. (*only on a less front line instrument) This August i wish i could organize a John Deacon flashmob in Hollywood. Just a bunch of Deacon masks. It'd probably get news coverage since the camera are already there.You must really want that bass BADLY! |
| Sheer Brass Neck 29.05.2017 21:41 |
Genius. I remember hearing Bicycle Race when it came out and thought it was quirky good. Always thought it had more personality and creativity than many bands entire catalogues, had, but it wasn't until I was older that I realized how brilliant the musicianship was on that track from everyone. John Deacon was a huge James Jameson fan, so it's no surprise that even if he wasn't a super flashy bass player, he wrote (or played) so many memorable lines that are in the public's conciousness today. |
| Sebastian 29.05.2017 22:12 |
dysan wrote: I was referring to Misfire dictating the sound of the album. His roles on ALBUMS was my point. AS YOU WELL KNOW. ALBUMS SEBASTIAN. ALBUMS!!!!!!!Even less so then... his five seconds of rhythm guitar on Staying Power did not dictate the sound of Hot Space any more than the triangle Roger played on Killer Queen dictated the sound of Sheer Heart Attack. |
| Sebastian 29.05.2017 22:12 |
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| matt z 29.05.2017 22:55 |
Fireplace wrote:HAHAHA! wow, good memory! - I'd nearly forgotten!matt z wrote: BRAVO! --- JOHN DEACON! (*pause for applause) I never got those stems. T'was a bad time in the days of Matt. However, thanks for making the morning start right listening to these iso tracks. John is truly an essential part of the band sound that unfortunately gets overlooked. I think part of my reasoning for bringing him up (*and fans bringing him up various times) is the incredible loss as a creative part of the band. I think we just want to hear more of the dude in that selfish "what if Jimi Hendrix recorded one more album" kind of way. (*only on a less front line instrument) This August i wish i could organize a John Deacon flashmob in Hollywood. Just a bunch of Deacon masks. It'd probably get news coverage since the camera are already there.You must really want that bass BADLY! Yes. While my campaigning has subsided, i would still love to adopt one of John's no longer in use basses. That would be fantastic. No more pleas. But I'd definitely shake me up into getting back into music instead of illustration. I've got some songs. Nothing to charm the knickers off as far as I know. But they're something. TBT i DO love John Deacon. Those dudes had an indelible mark on my life. I'd tried to express that to Brian at a signing that their music helped me through shitty adolescence but i think it was heard as whimpering super fanaticism. He DOES; however have one of my drawings. Fan work. I'm happy for that. (I gave something back") |
| Fireplace 30.05.2017 08:37 |
If John ever decides to part with one of them I hope you get it. Those things were meant to be enjoyed playing, not displayed in a cabinet. |
| matt z 30.05.2017 11:40 |
In all honesty he's got boys. No doubt they'll get pops basses unless his estate goes through some godawful liquidation ala John Entwistle when the inevitable happened. I feel bad for artist's collections when things like that happen Then again. ..John's a keen businessman and looks to be in good health :) |
| Fireplace 30.05.2017 14:05 |
Don't get me wrong, I hope John lives to be a 100 and I'd prefer him playing his basses himself but if he doesn't, someone else should. |
| The Real Wizard 30.05.2017 21:21 |
Panchgani wrote:You and me both. These isolated tracks are amazing - it's like learning how the pyramids are built. There are entire Beatles and Hendrix albums out there too.The Real Wizard wrote:Thanks for this masterpiece. ... That was so much fun, I had to listen to it three times.mooghead wrote: I have sent muso friends the isolated bass track from Bicycle Race and they cant believe the brilliance of what is happening so low down in the mix.Yep. His contribution to this song is pure genius. |
| Sebastian 31.05.2017 22:34 |
To think there are still pre-bounced (is that a word?) Beatles tracks, as in probably up to sixteen per song in some cases (though they were then, of course, reduced to four and then carefully to mono and hurriedly to stereo). Also interesting: The Who, Yngwie Malmsteen, The Bee Gees (learning a bit more about their legendary harmonies)... even the likes of Britney Spears and Blink-182, it's always great to be able to compare and contrast. |
| liam 05.06.2017 21:27 |
I believe John played rhythm guitar on AOBTD too - the end funky part. Brian mentioned that he could never get it right live. |
| Sebastian 06.06.2017 06:21 |
Yes, he did. Brian played guitar on 'Dust' but it was reduced to a few power chords and possibly the harmoniser bit. Rog played the drum loop and the rest was all John: guitars (at least three different ones), bass, piano and synths. Now... the handclaps... those could've been anyone. |
| Vocal harmony 06.06.2017 06:47 |
^^^^ Although they'd worked very well under the Queen banner both live and recorded its amazing how fragmented they could be in the studio. Bites The Dust being a case in point, but also at the extremes Body Language and most recently Roger's comment that Fighr From The Inside was really a solo track not really a Queen song and so hadn't been considered as a possible for the forth coming tour! |
| Oscar J 06.06.2017 07:31 |
John was probably the best one at playing funk, and had more feel for it. Also they didn't think it would be a hit when they were working on it. They were probably happy with just letting John do it the way he wanted it. |
| RafaelS 18.06.2017 12:38 |
John used popping on a lot of songs actually. For sure, Get down make love, Cool Cat and Football fight. |