QueenZone discussion #1383728

Stelios wrote: Is there a way to watch it? I live in Grecce so itv is not accesible. (Or i am doing something wrong...)

Marknow wrote:

Stelios wrote: Is there a way to watch it? I live in Grecce so itv is not accesible. (Or i am doing something wrong...)

Use this http://www.expatshield.com/  it's free and it will give you a British I.P so u can watch ITV & BBC etc online. Just turn it off after you use it to return to your default internet settings. If you have hotspot shield you will need to uninstall that first or else expatsheld wont work.

rocknrolllover wrote: Great. Perhaps this is the only documentary, where so few was told about his non-traditional sexual orientation. focused more on his musical basis. it is wonderful to see rare previously unseen footage of young Freddie.

Queenfansunite wrote:

rocknrolllover wrote: Great. Perhaps this is the only documentary, where so few was told about his non-traditional sexual orientation. focused more on his musical basis. it is wonderful to see rare previously unseen footage of young Freddie.

Yes, showcases his talent musicianship as should be so. The stage exploits are enough sexual energy to convey him as a star. It's better than being a constant homosexual promo which he did not want anyway. His private bedroom was private, and being gay is not a talent nor is it the making of a star. There is only one Freddie Mercury after all. How refreshing! Who would have thought it?

Stelios wrote:

Marknow wrote:

Stelios wrote: Is there a way to watch it? I live in Grecce so itv is not accesible. (Or i am doing something wrong...)

Use this http://www.expatshield.com/  it's free and it will give you a British I.P so u can watch ITV & BBC etc online. Just turn it off after you use it to return to your default internet settings. If you have hotspot shield you will need to uninstall that first or else expatsheld wont work.

Thanks. I installed it but still wants my postcode to confirm. Is there a specific postcode that should i type?

The Real Wizard wrote: link Here too. So are these the guys who sold off the footage and kept the originals ?

Queenfansunite wrote: The PRATTS prat attack .... Homophobic dismissal of his brilliant creative persona calling it prat like and then heteromesuxlaisation idol worship of the gay angle which is political sexism. Freddie was a individual and didn't ride anyone's boat to his creative ideas success or presentation of himself , he wasn't into " gay " rights. PRATTS!

crazy duck wrote: Great documentary! Unseen footage was interesting. Not sure about alfie boe singing as it sounds the same as him talking but more shouty! But other than that I thought he did a great job. You can tell he likes queen!

inu-liger wrote: Very interesting to hear the bit of Mother Love around the 47:00 mark without the final "Mother Love" whisper. Caught me off guard there.

FreddieCat wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: link Here too. So are these the guys who sold off the footage and kept the originals ?

Thank you so much for the youtube version. I loved this and learned so much. So appreciated!

Stelios wrote:

Queenfansunite wrote: The PRATTS prat attack .... Homophobic dismissal of his brilliant creative persona calling it prat like and then heteromesuxlaisation idol worship of the gay angle which is political sexism. Freddie was a individual and didn't ride anyone's boat to his creative ideas success or presentation of himself , he wasn't into " gay " rights. PRATTS!

What exactly do you mean by "heteromesuxlaisation idol worship of the gay angle " ? As for "he wasn't into " gay " rights" . Its true but it was a different era, he had personal struggles with his sexuality and to a digree ( after he became famous) he could afford not to care about " gay " rights. When "gay rights" became hot again with the HIV crisis, he was already infected and chose to channel all of his anguish ,sadness and (inevitable) anger into musical creativity.

Costa86 wrote: I agree this was a good programme. My favourite parts were seeing a teenage shy Freddie, and listening to Freddie and Monserrat fooling around in the studio. It was also entertaining to listen to Bob Geldof saying that Freddie can't possibly be called a good-looking man, and that all the Queen guys looked "weird". I can't say I agree with him though. I think Freddie WAS good-looking, at least in the 1980s (he did look somewhat ugly in the 1970s), and I don't think Queen as a whole looked any more peculiar than any other band. And Freddie's style on stage was super cool. Geldof did a lot of good for the world, and he's been through hell (and is still going through it, unfortunately, with the latest tragedy). But he's a bit of a shit. Kind of like Bono.

Queenfansunite wrote: Metrosexualisation I meant I mean it's all politics, back then it was cool to laugh at gay people, and that article was a cloaked attack on Freddie a s a gay type of entertainer , but Freddie , he used all his imagination in order to present a entertaining personality, in his music, his stage show and even in his interviews. But now, it politics again, I mean they cannot do that today, because of politics again, it's all politics. And as for HIV, it is politics also, as is AIDS, it's politics and the greatest crime against humanity in recent human history. lIke you said , Freddie's response was to finish his great work as a amazingly talented musician. it was NOT politics or gay rights, because as far as Freddie was concerned GAY as a problem had been solved in regards to politics in 1967' as IT had already been given IT'S rights in 1967. End of And now they idolise the gay politics they have created. They have to or they get the sack. But it was refreshing that this documentary did not do that , and instead allowed Freddie's talent to the forefront, instead of the bogus parading of a gay identity meaning anything, when it doesn't, as that is for his private bedroom and is not a talent, but merely a sexual preference.

Stelios wrote:

Queenfansunite wrote: Metrosexualisation I meant I mean it's all politics, back then it was cool to laugh at gay people, and that article was a cloaked attack on Freddie a s a gay type of entertainer , but Freddie , he used all his imagination in order to present a entertaining personality, in his music, his stage show and even in his interviews. But now, it politics again, I mean they cannot do that today, because of politics again, it's all politics. And as for HIV, it is politics also, as is AIDS, it's politics and the greatest crime against humanity in recent human history. lIke you said , Freddie's response was to finish his great work as a amazingly talented musician. it was NOT politics or gay rights, because as far as Freddie was concerned GAY as a problem had been solved in regards to politics in 1967' as IT had already been given IT'S rights in 1967. End of And now they idolise the gay politics they have created. They have to or they get the sack. But it was refreshing that this documentary did not do that , and instead allowed Freddie's talent to the forefront, instead of the bogus parading of a gay identity meaning anything, when it doesn't, as that is for his private bedroom and is not a talent, but merely a sexual preference.

on "  to laugh at gay people" Freddie himshelf was not that politically corect in that concept. Yesterday i listened the Osaka live booklet were he introduced Elton John as "a famous poofter". In the making of video of Breakthrough you can hear him calling someone fag. Of course its not the same but shows he had a certain attitude towards this issues. Taking everything with a bit of salt. on "it was NOT politics or gay rights" True, but if the personal is also political ( a famous quote from the 70's i think) Freddie embodied those issues. On regards to gender identity he presented himshelf very fluid from camp/feminime to macho, underlying that gender is a form of expression and constraction NOT an identity written in stone. And this one shakes the very foundation of how society perceives genders. He may did it unconsciously but with such audacity and power that effected more the general subconsious than strickt political talking or theoritical analysis . He became the living proof of how male/female identity works and manifests itshelf without having to say one word. To a certain amount the same goes with sexuality. Barbara Valentine's and Mary Austin's roles in his life  blured the perception of what is and what is not a gay man.  on "And now they idolise the gay politics they have created" This is a given. Every oppresed minority that achieved some form or tottal liberation has to celebrate the milestone. It's human nature. Perhaps sometimes is overbearing and off putting but remember that they also celebrate the lives of those who have been  lost  bue to the oppression. Its a very charged concept becouse  it even touches matters of life or death and not necessarily in the past. Hate crimes are very evident today also. Look at Russia for example.