QueenZone discussion #1347456

dudeofqueen wrote: Now we've been on the subject of the "Fanthology" for a good few weeks, is there any possibility of a member of the 'Fanthology" putting out a rough listing of the tracks / material that the members have access to? I'm looking for this merely as an educational tool and in order to prove to the nay-sayers that there is mileage / worth in having a dedicated bunch of followers of certain fashions investing time and a great deal of filthy lucre in preserving what QPL doesn't feel the need to invest in. This is on it's own a very worthwhile request; but I for one am against it. As Vali has so correctly noted this creates all sorts of problems. Look at "Hangman" for example. As I said in a pervious thread if I was to say a Queen version of "Blow Me!" existed (no matter how educational this would be for the intellectually curious), it would then start a troll-flame fest from the utterly evil such as death threats - to the ridiculous (was Freddie the postman or the letterbox). For me the mission is now damage limitation and not to create further havoc. But one thing I can say with a surety; The Queen Fanthology is not an official body, Why not send the same request to QPL, after all they would be the experts.

inu-liger wrote: Now John, my question to you now that we've got most of our bickering and talking points out of the way as a collective whole, is whether Fanthology has picked up where they left off after the dust settled and are now resuming the work they set out to do as far as original plans were concerned? Disclaimer: The above question does not include any reference to timeframes or deadlines.

John S Stuart wrote:

inu-liger wrote: Now John, my question to you now that we've got most of our bickering and talking points out of the way as a collective whole, is whether Fanthology has picked up where they left off after the dust settled and are now resuming the work they set out to do as far as original plans were concerned? Disclaimer: The above question does not include any reference to timeframes or deadlines.

Simply; I don't think anything in the Fanthology has changed - so you can read into that whatever you like. Honest!

John S Stuart wrote: [ Why not send the same request to QPL, after all they would be the experts.

Jam Monkey wrote: You'd like a well organised list of everything the Fanthology has? So would I, and I'm in it! On a serious note, there is something I can share if you are interested in all the various pieces of Queen material. Along the lines of queenvault.com, but a good deal more comprehensive and accurate. Let me see what I can do.

John S Stuart wrote: Fake - Mad The Swine full version with beginning "I've" FLAC (Shared on Qz)

joesilvey wrote:

John S Stuart wrote: Fake - Mad The Swine full version with beginning "I've" FLAC (Shared on Qz)

Fascinating... whoever created this file went to the trouble of grabbing an "I" from a Freddie vocal in the correct key and with a breath intake preceding it. I'd been totally fooled, but upon inspection of the waveform, it is apparently just tacked on and separate from the true track's beginning. a very good fake, I must admit. it makes sense that it just isn't there - if QPL dug around enough for the 2011 re-issues to find Jealousy's kick drum, they certainly would have taken the opportunity to restore a full beginning to Mad The Swine... wouldn't they? JSS - are you at liberty to confirm this from knowledge of the master tapes condition or contents? thanks much

The Valyard wrote: I am fed up reading all these rows about David Fuller.

If you are a member of the Fanthology as well will you kill off this stupid debate once and forever. Can you confirm or deny John S. Stuart's version of events?

cmsdrums wrote: You deem QPL to be the experts?

The Real Wizard wrote: I've already confirmed it numerous times (as have several others), yet ignorance prevails. So I guess a fifth or sixth opinion wouldn't hurt...

John S Stuart wrote: Dear Mr Valyard (Shouldn't that be Valeyard?) ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cue quote from the 6th Doctor: "Knackersyard or any other kind of yard!" ;-)

GratefulFan wrote: I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, .... .... .... .... For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.

Lord Gaga wrote: We've let it go. Time for you to do the same.

The Valyard wrote:

Jam Monkey wrote: You'd like a well organised list of everything the Fanthology has? So would I, and I'm in it! On a serious note, there is something I can share if you are interested in all the various pieces of Queen material. Along the lines of queenvault.com, but a good deal more comprehensive and accurate. Let me see what I can do.

Thank you. I am fed up reading all these rows about David Fuller. If you are a member of the Fanthology as well will you kill off this stupid debate once and forever. Can you confirm or deny John S. Stuart's version of events?

YourValentine wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, .... .... .... .... For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.

Please take your own advice and give it a rest. How can anyone repeat that they know nothing about an issue but keep filling pages and pages of wild guesses, suggestions and fantasies? How does it make you feel accusing people about things you have zero knowledge of? Do you feel morally superior? You are not. You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune. Just let it go and please spare me another rant because I won't answer you like I did not answer to this issue for the last five months.

The Kurgan wrote: I've just let one go

GratefulFan wrote: And that's how witch hunts happen. What was witnessed? Downloads that were never denied by Fuller and that are irrelevant to the defense he presented. Everything else happened either in a public space where everyone was a witness, or in David Fuller's private life where nobody was a witness.

Lord Gaga wrote: We've let it go. Time for you to do the same.

The Kurgan wrote: I've just let one go

GratefulFan wrote: And that's how witch hunts happen. What was witnessed? Downloads that were never denied by Fuller and that are irrelevant to the defense he presented. Everything else happened either in a public space where everyone was a witness, or in David Fuller's private life where nobody was a witness.

Lord Gaga wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: And that's how witch hunts happen. What was witnessed? Downloads that were never denied by Fuller and that are irrelevant to the defense he presented. Everything else happened either in a public space where everyone was a witness, or in David Fuller's private life where nobody was a witness.

Lord Gaga wrote: We've let it go. Time for you to do the same.

brENsKi wrote:

YourValentine wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, .... .... .... .... For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.

Please take your own advice and give it a rest. How can anyone repeat that they know nothing about an issue but keep filling pages and pages of wild guesses, suggestions and fantasies? How does it make you feel accusing people about things you have zero knowledge of? Do you feel morally superior? You are not. You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune. Just let it go and please spare me another rant because I won't answer you like I did not answer to this issue for the last five months.

hear hear!!! - thanks Barb about f*cking time someone told this sanctimonious c*nt to shut the f*ck up with the cyber patrol....hasn't Gratefulfanny a schoolyard to be prefecting? because this place is sick of it

The Valyard wrote: Selling list of David Fuller. link

Panchgani wrote: The bullying continues from the above post on page one into page 2, but GF presents an unpopular opinion and she gets told to shut the fuck up. LOL

YourValentine wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, .... .... .... .... For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.

Please take your own advice and give it a rest. How can anyone repeat that they know nothing about an issue but keep filling pages and pages of wild guesses, suggestions and fantasies? How does it make you feel accusing people about things you have zero knowledge of? Do you feel morally superior? You are not. You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune. Just let it go and please spare me another rant because I won't answer you like I did not answer to this issue for the last five months.

brENsKi wrote:

YourValentine wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, .... .... .... .... For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.

Please take your own advice and give it a rest. How can anyone repeat that they know nothing about an issue but keep filling pages and pages of wild guesses, suggestions and fantasies? How does it make you feel accusing people about things you have zero knowledge of? Do you feel morally superior? You are not. You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune. Just let it go and please spare me another rant because I won't answer you like I did not answer to this issue for the last five months.

hear hear!!! - thanks Barb about f*cking time someone told this sanctimonious c*nt to shut the f*ck up with the cyber patrol....hasn't Gratefulfanny a schoolyard to be prefecting? because this place is sick of it

GratefulFan wrote: What is this, my birthday? How much more helpful could you folks be to a person trying to make a serious point about the irrational behaviour of internet mobs?

The Real Wizard wrote:

YourValentine wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, .... .... .... .... For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.

Please take your own advice and give it a rest. How can anyone repeat that they know nothing about an issue but keep filling pages and pages of wild guesses, suggestions and fantasies? How does it make you feel accusing people about things you have zero knowledge of? Do you feel morally superior? You are not. You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune. Just let it go and please spare me another rant because I won't answer you like I did not answer to this issue for the last five months.

Standing ovation. Thank you x 1000. About time someone put their foot down and called it like it is.

inu-liger wrote:

Panchgani wrote: The bullying continues from the above post on page one into page 2, but GF presents an unpopular opinion and she gets told to shut the fuck up. LOL

"Presents"? More like regurgitates. And not only that, but even YourValentine chipped in earlier and she was NOT on GF's side: "You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune."

Holly2003 wrote:

inu-liger wrote:

Panchgani wrote: The bullying continues from the above post on page one into page 2, but GF presents an unpopular opinion and she gets told to shut the fuck up. LOL

"Presents"? More like regurgitates. And not only that, but even YourValentine chipped in earlier and she was NOT on GF's side: "You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune."

Hi Ratty!

inu-liger wrote:

Holly2003 wrote:

inu-liger wrote:

Panchgani wrote: The bullying continues from the above post on page one into page 2, but GF presents an unpopular opinion and she gets told to shut the fuck up. LOL

"Presents"? More like regurgitates. And not only that, but even YourValentine chipped in earlier and she was NOT on GF's side: "You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune."

Hi Ratty!

You must be confused. My real name neither begins with Peter nor ends in Hince.

Holly2003 wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

YourValentine wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, .... .... .... .... For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.

Please take your own advice and give it a rest. How can anyone repeat that they know nothing about an issue but keep filling pages and pages of wild guesses, suggestions and fantasies? How does it make you feel accusing people about things you have zero knowledge of? Do you feel morally superior? You are not. You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune. Just let it go and please spare me another rant because I won't answer you like I did not answer to this issue for the last five months.

hear hear!!! - thanks Barb about f*cking time someone told this sanctimonious c*nt to shut the f*ck up with the cyber patrol....hasn't Gratefulfanny a schoolyard to be prefecting? because this place is sick of it

You don't speak for "this place". GF contributes more here than you've ever done. Your contributions amount to little more than abuse and slabbering.

brENsKi wrote:

Holly2003 wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

YourValentine wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, .... .... .... .... For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.

Please take your own advice and give it a rest. How can anyone repeat that they know nothing about an issue but keep filling pages and pages of wild guesses, suggestions and fantasies? How does it make you feel accusing people about things you have zero knowledge of? Do you feel morally superior? You are not. You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune. Just let it go and please spare me another rant because I won't answer you like I did not answer to this issue for the last five months.

hear hear!!! - thanks Barb about f*cking time someone told this sanctimonious c*nt to shut the f*ck up with the cyber patrol....hasn't Gratefulfanny a schoolyard to be prefecting? because this place is sick of it

You don't speak for "this place". GF contributes more here than you've ever done. Your contributions amount to little more than abuse and slabbering.

one point you overlook in your overzealous administration of the Gratefulfanclub....in all my time here - regardless of whatever i've said, none of the moderators have every felt the compulsion to tell me to "give it a rest" Gratefulfan has now joined the eminent list of spammers, flamers, trolls and other undesirables requested to "cease and desist"...way things are going i think it'll be yourself next.

Holly2003 wrote: The problem here is that a small group of collectors demands the right to say whatever they like, without anyone dissenting. And when there is dissent, they respond with abuse and bullying...

YourValentine wrote: @ Holly: My post was strictly my personal opinion - like any other user of this message board.I am not trying to shut up anybody in my role as a site admin. I never suggested I would moderate GF or even ban her, so please calm down and mind your blood pressure. I cannot believe the paranoia and exaggeration of your post.

brENsKi wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: The problem here is that a small group of collectors demands the right to say whatever they like, without anyone dissenting. And when there is dissent, they respond with abuse and bullying...

you and GF talk "AT" me like i'm involved - for the last f**king time - i have not collected any queen music since 1990!!!! i have not been, am not currently and never will be ANY part of ANY trade/collectors/fantology type circles - stop stop treating my posts like I am. what i say is my opinion, not based on any bias or "group" concensus. i am calling it as i see it, and the basis of you and GF "lumping" anyone who agrees with the collectors as "having to be one" is f8cking ridiculous, and insulting.

dudeofqueen wrote: So.......what about a list? ;-)

Vali wrote:

dudeofqueen wrote: So.......what about a list? ;-)

hahahahaaha ! noooo !! World War 1 started excactly from the same point ! You already want WW2 to start so soon ? :)))

Holly2003 wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

YourValentine wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, .... .... .... .... For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.

Please take your own advice and give it a rest. How can anyone repeat that they know nothing about an issue but keep filling pages and pages of wild guesses, suggestions and fantasies? How does it make you feel accusing people about things you have zero knowledge of? Do you feel morally superior? You are not. You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune. Just let it go and please spare me another rant because I won't answer you like I did not answer to this issue for the last five months.

hear hear!!! - thanks Barb about f*cking time someone told this sanctimonious c*nt to shut the f*ck up with the cyber patrol....hasn't Gratefulfanny a schoolyard to be prefecting? because this place is sick of it

You don't speak for "this place". GF contributes more here than you've ever done. Your contributions amount to little more than abuse and slabbering.

Mr.QueenFan wrote: I don't know who Gratefull Fan is, but there's nothing gratefull on her posts. The last couple years her posts about Brian's campaign about Badgers and concerning Live Aid where amongst the more violent i've even seen towards an artist by a "fan" with the sole purpose of denigrating Brian's image on a public forum. Her atention to detail in dissecting every little piece of the events to find one minor contradiction only shows that she's on a mission to destroy Brian's character. I don't know what's gracefull about that, but i would expect that behaviour from "The News of the World", not here in Queenzone.

Mr.QueenFan wrote:

Holly2003 wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

YourValentine wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, .... .... .... .... For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.

Please take your own advice and give it a rest. How can anyone repeat that they know nothing about an issue but keep filling pages and pages of wild guesses, suggestions and fantasies? How does it make you feel accusing people about things you have zero knowledge of? Do you feel morally superior? You are not. You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune. Just let it go and please spare me another rant because I won't answer you like I did not answer to this issue for the last five months.

hear hear!!! - thanks Barb about f*cking time someone told this sanctimonious c*nt to shut the f*ck up with the cyber patrol....hasn't Gratefulfanny a schoolyard to be prefecting? because this place is sick of it

You don't speak for "this place". GF contributes more here than you've ever done. Your contributions amount to little more than abuse and slabbering.

Can you find a post here where GratefullFan shows her(?) appreciation for the music or any Queen member over the years? I don't know who Gratefull Fan is, but there's nothing gratefull on her posts. The last couple years her posts about Brian's campaign about Badgers and concerning Live Aid where amongst the more violent i've even seen towards an artist by a "fan" with the sole purpose of denigrating Brian's image on a public forum. Her atention to detail in dissecting every little piece of the events to find one minor contradiction only shows that she's on a mission to destroy Brian's character. I don't know what's gracefull about that, but i would expect that behaviour from "The News of the World", not here in Queenzone. I'm not saying we have to agree with Brian's views on those matters, because we don't. Diversity is good to the world, just stating an example of the lengths that she goes just to prove that someone is wrong and she's right! To the point where i made the conscious choice of not arguing with GratefullFAn ever again. She has a lot to say but i'm not interest anymore. It's not good for my well being to engage with discussions with people who's only purpose isn't to get clarification, but only to be... right! So, if she wants to be right, then she's right because i'm not arguing with her anymore. And i believe that the same applies to you Holly2003. Cheers.

The Real Wizard wrote:

Mr.QueenFan wrote: I don't know who Gratefull Fan is, but there's nothing gratefull on her posts. The last couple years her posts about Brian's campaign about Badgers and concerning Live Aid where amongst the more violent i've even seen towards an artist by a "fan" with the sole purpose of denigrating Brian's image on a public forum. Her atention to detail in dissecting every little piece of the events to find one minor contradiction only shows that she's on a mission to destroy Brian's character. I don't know what's gracefull about that, but i would expect that behaviour from "The News of the World", not here in Queenzone.

Excellent post, this portion in particular. Absolutely accurate. Glad to see rationality in abundance here again.

John S Stuart wrote: Groundhog Day 475... Holly2003: "The problem here is that a small group of collectors demands the right to say whatever they like, without anyone dissenting. And when there is dissent, they respond with abuse and bullying..." Unlike Brenski, I am a collector. Yes; I am proud of it, and no; "collector" is not a dirty word. So I will not apologise or Kowtow to anyone who suggests otherwise. But just to clarify; I do not demand anything from anyone. If you wish to disagree with me - do so, after all, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am being neither abusive or bullying here, but I do reserve the right to disagree with you. But that does not make me a bully. I do however have two very strong arguments; which never get answered and always leads me back into this godforsaken spiral. So in an attempt to break that spiral; (as you can read above) (1) why was this thread hi-jacked from a civilised discussion into a flame war? There was no need, it was never going in that direction. The ink wasn't even allowed to dry when Inu wrote in this very thread: "my question to you now that we've got most of our bickering and talking points out of the way as a collective whole"; before a whole new flame-fest erupted - why? What ever happened to protocol, etiquette and even good manners? (2) We need to agree to disagree on the Fuller affair and draw a line under it and let it go. I was there. I know what happened and have said so, and will continue to do so as I will not be brow-beaten into saying anything else. David of course has the right to reply, if he so choses to exercise that right Everyone else is just pitching in with speculation and guesswork; I agree that this is a free expression of their opinion, but that does not make them correct! So there resolution if we want it... and yes; this is an olive branch.

Holly2003 wrote: Complete balls. Usual character assassination from you.

Lord Gaga wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Complete balls. Usual character assassination from you.

It's funny, because TRW agrees with someone who he thinks is the voice of reason, and you agree with someone who you think is the voice of reason. Both of you are only correct to whomever agrees with your opinions; why continue to stoke the fires and do as your buddy GF suggested and leave well enough alone, hm?

Holly2003 wrote: As I've said previously, and on this thread, keep all the trading squabbles off the forum and it will be a happier place.

Holly2003 wrote:

John S Stuart wrote: Groundhog Day 475... Holly2003: "The problem here is that a small group of collectors demands the right to say whatever they like, without anyone dissenting. And when there is dissent, they respond with abuse and bullying..." Unlike Brenski, I am a collector. Yes; I am proud of it, and no; "collector" is not a dirty word. So I will not apologise or Kowtow to anyone who suggests otherwise. But just to clarify; I do not demand anything from anyone. If you wish to disagree with me - do so, after all, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am being neither abusive or bullying here, but I do reserve the right to disagree with you. But that does not make me a bully. I do however have two very strong arguments; which never get answered and always leads me back into this godforsaken spiral. So in an attempt to break that spiral; (as you can read above) (1) why was this thread hi-jacked from a civilised discussion into a flame war? There was no need, it was never going in that direction. The ink wasn't even allowed to dry when Inu wrote in this very thread: "my question to you now that we've got most of our bickering and talking points out of the way as a collective whole"; before a whole new flame-fest erupted - why? What ever happened to protocol, etiquette and even good manners? (2) We need to agree to disagree on the Fuller affair and draw a line under it and let it go. I was there. I know what happened and have said so, and will continue to do so as I will not be brow-beaten into saying anything else. David of course has the right to reply, if he so choses to exercise that right Everyone else is just pitching in with speculation and guesswork; I agree that this is a free expression of their opinion, but that does not make them correct! So there resolution if we want it... and yes; this is an olive branch.

As I've said previously, and on this thread, keep all the trading squabbles off the forum and it will be a happier place.

inu-liger wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: As I've said previously, and on this thread, keep all the trading squabbles off the forum and it will be a happier place.

At the rate things are going, that just may be the only thing I can agree with you there, if only for the fact the stubbornly vindictive attitude your trio has practically left everyone on both sides with no choice otherwise IF we are to agree to pursue an armistice of sorts so that we can get back to a stress-free environment.

John S Stuart wrote:

Holly2003 wrote:

John S Stuart wrote: Groundhog Day 475... Holly2003: "The problem here is that a small group of collectors demands the right to say whatever they like, without anyone dissenting. And when there is dissent, they respond with abuse and bullying..." Unlike Brenski, I am a collector. Yes; I am proud of it, and no; "collector" is not a dirty word. So I will not apologise or Kowtow to anyone who suggests otherwise. But just to clarify; I do not demand anything from anyone. If you wish to disagree with me - do so, after all, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am being neither abusive or bullying here, but I do reserve the right to disagree with you. But that does not make me a bully. I do however have two very strong arguments; which never get answered and always leads me back into this godforsaken spiral. So in an attempt to break that spiral; (as you can read above) (1) why was this thread hi-jacked from a civilised discussion into a flame war? There was no need, it was never going in that direction. The ink wasn't even allowed to dry when Inu wrote in this very thread: "my question to you now that we've got most of our bickering and talking points out of the way as a collective whole"; before a whole new flame-fest erupted - why? What ever happened to protocol, etiquette and even good manners? (2) We need to agree to disagree on the Fuller affair and draw a line under it and let it go. I was there. I know what happened and have said so, and will continue to do so as I will not be brow-beaten into saying anything else. David of course has the right to reply, if he so choses to exercise that right Everyone else is just pitching in with speculation and guesswork; I agree that this is a free expression of their opinion, but that does not make them correct! So there resolution if we want it... and yes; this is an olive branch.

As I've said previously, and on this thread, keep all the trading squabbles off the forum and it will be a happier place.

Holly2003: I totally agree with you. (Honest!). I think if we all agreed to your suggestion that would indeed be a final breakthru! However; this thread was indeed free from "all the trading squabbles... of the forum... and it is still not a "happier place", because here we are back yet again at ground zero. This thread (in my opinion) was amicable. What went wrong with someone asking a sensible question which deserved a sensible answer? I think that you too Holly have to agree as long as we keep it civil then no fall, no foul... surely? But I feel (again in my opinion) that whatever I write, will be hijacked and twisted to be used against me, so the simple solution to that problem is to stop writing, (That is not a threat or a bribe but a genuine emotional truth), and even if my perception is wrong, you cannot tell me how I feel... and right now I feel "under a personal attack", and I would like to know why... what have I done to any of you guys to deserve such highly pointed and personal insults? Disagree with me; fine. Argue with me and I am allowed to argue back, that is called dialogue. But dialogue must be a two-way street, however painful the process, and argue against the points I make - not against my persona. My point is we all have a different tipping point of diminishing returns - Mr. Queen Fan" does talk for me "I'm not interest anymore" - and when that happens (to anyone) this community becomes less diverse and more draconian in its extreme views.

Holly2003 wrote: GF has been called a "c**t"on this thread and yet all you do is play the victim. Where was your moral outrage at that?  

inu-liger wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: GF has been called a "c**t"on this thread and yet all you do is play the victim. Where was your moral outrage at that?  

I will not be inclined to defend middle-aged bullies who have yet to even apologize for certain unwarranted harsh names and comparisons thrown my way to begin with. Until I see an apology, be it public or private, from the ringleader of the bullies herself, NOT happening. So fuck you!

VfLDOTL wrote: Well, don't fight guys ;-) Only one question: I've heard several rumors, that a certain group of fans are planning to unveil a large queen collection of concerts and unreleased material. Was this "fanthology-thing" meant or someone else?

Holly2003 wrote:

inu-liger wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: GF has been called a "c**t"on this thread and yet all you do is play the victim. Where was your moral outrage at that?  

I will not be inclined to defend middle-aged bullies who have yet to even apologize for certain unwarranted harsh names and comparisons thrown my way to begin with. Until I see an apology, be it public or private, from the ringleader of the bullies herself, NOT happening. So fuck you!

lol @ the muppet ^ Like being savaged by a dead sheep lol

Thistleboy1980 wrote: I like GF, and will not slant on the side of giving her abuse for her interpretations of the matter, but she IS wrong. Sure, if she is speaking hypothetically, then a lot of the scenarios she presents COULD be true. In REALITY, they're not! We may not know what Fuller had before Fanthology, but let's just put it THIS way: if his channel was anything to go by, he did NOT have the type of material that would warrant a trade for the gems that have been surfacing SINCE his involvement with Fanthology. FFS, even I had all of the stuff on his channel, and I've not been in the loop for the best part of a decade (I don't have the sort of material that would warrant being part of Fanthology and I match Fuller's channel). We know that Fuller has never denied downloading from Fanthology: but why would he want to download tracks he ALREADY had??? In short, his impressive collection was achieved POST Fanthology. It stands to REASON - NOT romanticised "could be's". I've known both JSS and Craig (jam monkey) for quite some time and they really are salt of the earth guys. If they say their version of events is true, then it's true. Believe me. End of. Now, can we get back to discussing what rarities might be out there, without the vitriol???

VfLDOTL wrote: Well, don't fight guys ;-) Only one question: I've heard several rumors, that a certain group of fans are planning to unveil a large queen collection of concerts and unreleased material. Was this "fanthology-thing" meant or someone else?

Lord Gaga wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Complete balls. Usual character assassination from you.

It's funny, because TRW agrees with someone who he thinks is the voice of reason, and you agree with someone who you think is the voice of reason. Both of you are only correct to whomever agrees with your opinions

Holly2003 wrote: GF has been called a "c**t"on this thread and yet all you do is play the victim. Where was your moral outrage at that?  

The Real Wizard wrote:

Mr.QueenFan wrote: I don't know who Gratefull Fan is, but there's nothing gratefull on her posts. The last couple years her posts about Brian's campaign about Badgers and concerning Live Aid where amongst the more violent i've even seen towards an artist by a "fan" with the sole purpose of denigrating Brian's image on a public forum. Her atention to detail in dissecting every little piece of the events to find one minor contradiction only shows that she's on a mission to destroy Brian's character. I don't know what's gracefull about that, but i would expect that behaviour from "The News of the World", not here in Queenzone.

Excellent post, this portion in particular. Absolutely accurate. Glad to see rationality in abundance here again.

GratefulFan wrote: somebody's middle age (inu; both my ass and I are not quite 46)

in my case my imaginary teaching career (inu - repeated by Brenski - see 'nonsense gets half way around the world before the truth has its shoes on'. Hope that helps.

inu-liger wrote: I have previously asked you twice to clarify whether you worked in a school or not, because as I said I honestly thought you had made a comment about that a few years ago, but you NEVER answered my question (not even in private as I had invited you to do so), so that's your own fault for letting that nonsense go unanswered half-way around the world and let it grow into a false truth.

dudeofqueen wrote: The Valyard, re: >Selling list of David Fuller. Yep - we know that but it contains fakes, there is absolutely no structure and is massively incomplete. We have no idea how much of this is actually contained wthin the "Fanthology" and what DRF has invented himself in order to generate interest. The list would be provided by the MEMBERS of "Fanthology". My scenario contains ONLY what is known to be GENUINE Queen material (no Queen+ unless the Fanthologists specifically wanted to include it but would, necessarily, have its own Index) and with solo material set aside with its own Index. Convention Demos would be separated out from studio / pro-quality tracks, MP3s separated from .flac or any other format, dates, times, places etc if the Fanthologists wanted to provide that level of detail.

GratefulFan wrote:

inu-liger wrote: I have previously asked you twice to clarify whether you worked in a school or not, because as I said I honestly thought you had made a comment about that a few years ago, but you NEVER answered my question (not even in private as I had invited you to do so), so that's your own fault for letting that nonsense go unanswered half-way around the world and let it grow into a false truth.

What are you doing attacking somebody on some profession you think they have anyway inu? That's your fault, not mine. I'm not responsible for cleaning up some mess you made of my life details. I don't owe you or anybody else any private or public clarification of my job. FFS.

GratefulFan wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: I've already confirmed it numerous times (as have several others), yet ignorance prevails. So I guess a fifth or sixth opinion wouldn't hurt...

Pffft. There is a little knot of you here that are like corrupt cops. The evidence is whatever you say it is as it serves you. I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, or the degree to which he did it. And based on anything you've said here, neither do you. Dave's defense last year was that he had the material from another source as well and thus felt free to share it in an autonomous decision. Against your rules? For sure. We get that you don't like competing philosophies on sharing music outside of the elite. Bottom line is you have no idea what Fuller had in his collection from anybody else before or after Fanthology. You cannot have a comprehensive idea what panic trades were triggered by your collective fit of pique last year because the world is a big place and your hobby is a self interested stabby little affair all too often because it can be fuelled almost completely by self enrichment and ego. I asked if anything on Dave's list was competely uncirculated in the trading community and you decided to answer some different question I didn't ask. Unless you can point to something on that list that was only in Fanthology you have a shit case. Surely there was something like that on that list? Why don't you take that route instead of this other transparent nonsense? The watermark? This is what has been said about it: it's indelible and can't be altered, but Dave was so stupid he didn't remove it, you asked an IT expert to help you do it and every single Fanthology member had unique downloads, oh no it was scratches and hisses that only Dave had, oh actually it was in the form of a number, and John even posted the number. Ridiculous, contradictory nonsense from people who feel not a single shred of responsiblilty to make a decent case commensurate to the massive, continuous charater assassination. John changes the damage assessment like he changes lanes. Do you really imagine people don't notice this? Or the manipulative nature of some of the threads about badgers and whether something is a 7 or 4? Or how slimy it is to feature on 20 pages of accusations and then go back and delete all your posts? Remember the bogus accusations about the Cherie track? More deleted accusations, so easily proven wrong in that case because they didn't depend on your backroom trials. Anybody could google that information, and anybody did. In the Cherie case you accused him incorrectly and for nothing and rather than apologize you deleted your accusations. Classy stuff. Stop making the fact that you have zero perspective or objectivity on this guy QZs problem. He could be a psychopath that would steal tracks from his own grandmother for all I know, but at least I know what I don't know. Sad that you need this boogieman so badly. Can't your hobby function without this device to bludgeon new ideas and control people in the Announce section? Even if his actions are what you imagine they are then the damage is self limiting. Let it go. He'll burn out his stash and that will be that. In fact he should already have done that since John's 'proof' that tracks weren't secured from other collectors is that Dave can't hold stuff for more than a few months because he has a trigger finger. Since Fanthology first emerged in 2011 this is already over by your own arguments. Let it go. Everybody is tired of it, and witch hunts are fucking evil anyway. Your self serving hate campaign was mostly successful. For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.

Holly2003 wrote: As I've said before, if that lot would pipe down and keep their petty little squabbles off the forum, stop abusing people here as ignorant, stupid, greedy, beggars etc, and stop the blackmail tactics ("we won't share anything else unless you suck up and do what we say") then the forum could go back to its usual shitty state. But if they want to continue with all this bullshit then so be it.

GratefulFan wrote: "Scary to think that GratefulFan, if I am not mistaken, claimed to be a teacher. I'd hate to see her interactions with students who don't agree with her teaching views..." Richard? I'm willing to deal with a measure of your weirdness: its got its charm and some of it is not your fault because of the Asperger's. But there are limits. Its completely socially fucked to pull something like that out of your ass to attack somebody based on their imaginary profession on a discussion board. It gets even more bizarre when you try and make it their fault. Three times. I'm not a teacher and I don't work in a school. OK?

YourValentine wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: "Scary to think that GratefulFan, if I am not mistaken, claimed to be a teacher. I'd hate to see her interactions with students who don't agree with her teaching views..." Richard? I'm willing to deal with a measure of your weirdness: its got its charm and some of it is not your fault because of the Asperger's. But there are limits. Its completely socially fucked to pull something like that out of your ass to attack somebody based on their imaginary profession on a discussion board. It gets even more bizarre when you try and make it their fault. Three times. I'm not a teacher and I don't work in a school. OK?

Of course it is NOT socially fucked up to pull up Asperger's out of YOUR ass after Richard apologised half a dozen times for his mistake, you sorry, pathetic troll. I apologise to everyone else for the language.

GratefulFan wrote: "Scary to think that GratefulFan, if I am not mistaken, claimed to be a teacher. I'd hate to see her interactions with students who don't agree with her teaching views..." Richard? I'm willing to deal with a measure of your weirdness: its got its charm and some of it is not your fault because of the Asperger's. But there are limits. Its completely socially fucked to pull something like that out of your ass to attack somebody based on their imaginary profession on a discussion board.

It gets even more bizarre when you try and make it their fault. Three times. I'm not a teacher and I don't work in a school. OK?

GratefulFan wrote:

YourValentine wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: "Scary to think that GratefulFan, if I am not mistaken, claimed to be a teacher. I'd hate to see her interactions with students who don't agree with her teaching views..." Richard? I'm willing to deal with a measure of your weirdness: its got its charm and some of it is not your fault because of the Asperger's. But there are limits. Its completely socially fucked to pull something like that out of your ass to attack somebody based on their imaginary profession on a discussion board. It gets even more bizarre when you try and make it their fault. Three times. I'm not a teacher and I don't work in a school. OK?

Of course it is NOT socially fucked up to pull up Asperger's out of YOUR ass after Richard apologised half a dozen times for his mistake, you sorry, pathetic troll. I apologise to everyone else for the language.

Oh FFS. I wasn't insulting him with Asperger's. There's nothing shameful about Asperger's.

GratefulFan wrote:

YourValentine wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: "Scary to think that GratefulFan, if I am not mistaken, claimed to be a teacher. I'd hate to see her interactions with students who don't agree with her teaching views..." Richard? I'm willing to deal with a measure of your weirdness: its got its charm and some of it is not your fault because of the Asperger's. But there are limits. Its completely socially fucked to pull something like that out of your ass to attack somebody based on their imaginary profession on a discussion board. It gets even more bizarre when you try and make it their fault. Three times. I'm not a teacher and I don't work in a school. OK?

Of course it is NOT socially fucked up to pull up Asperger's out of YOUR ass after Richard apologised half a dozen times for his mistake, you sorry, pathetic troll. I apologise to everyone else for the language.

Oh FFS. I wasn't insulting him with Asperger's. There's nothing shameful about Asperger's. He talks about it often and I was acknowledging it, because, FFS, it has to be relevant in this case, right? And he wasn't really apologizing, was he. Go to bed. And when you get your rabid self up in the morning, think about getting off my ass. And Richard, if there was anything hurtful about that, let me know. I will certainly apologize as that was NOT the intention.

YourValentine wrote: And he did apologise about what was only a mix up of your presumed profession just on the previous page but apparently facts are not something you can accept.

Thistleboy1980 wrote: Please guys, no more personal jibes. Me loves you all :)

GratefulFan wrote:

John S Stuart wrote: Elitism? Powerhouses? All bull-sh*t terms for those who will not get off their ars*s and expect the world to hand them everything freely on a plate. "For he who works hard - thus cometh his reward!" (Does anyone else remember the Disney Cartoon "The World owes me a Living"?)

Mmmm hmmm. The bottom line is that a bunch of jackals are falling on a private collector because on assessment and reflection and in noting that it's not 1972 anymore, that collector wants to essentially make some things available to the wider community. In the art world if somebody wants to donate something they have hanging on their wall to a museum, they just do it. If he's received something in a private trade it's reasonable to note that he can ultimately do whatever the hell he likes with it. You hate it when it's free and you hate it when it's not, and your scare tactics are the same in either case. I think last time it was boogeyman nightmare tales of the RIAA's imminent sweep up of David for the Taylor track. Truthfully it's either none of your business and irrelevant to you what risks David wants to take on in the copyright world, or in the general best interest to discourage Alberta Urkel from his prissy emailing. Beyond that the legal pontificating seems to serve little purpose.

YourValentine wrote: Thistleboy, I am really sorry about this fight

YourValentine wrote: I think a genuine apology would be very necessary. My personal, private opinion.

GratefulFan wrote:

YourValentine wrote: I think a genuine apology would be very necessary. My personal, private opinion.

Urkel had NOTHING to do with Richard's Aspergers because I used the name in reference to the actions BEFORE Richard identified himself as the person who had written!

inu-liger wrote: If I recall, I believe I did backtrack from that little attack on your condition (which by the way was made in the heat of the moment when my mind was not in the right place at the time owing to extreme stress). Pretty sure it was not made in the context you suggested however. Care to provide a link to the topic where this took place, or are you going to be a spineless bully as usual?

Panchgani wrote: Inu whining about trolls instead of ignoring them ... link

Panchgani wrote: After all his whining about Canadian bullies and his depression, I hope that Urkel does not abandon his daughter in response to being called out for his "holier than thou" postering and snitch bullying of David Fuller.

inu-liger wrote:

Panchgani wrote: Inu whining about trolls instead of ignoring them ... link

WHY you even try and drag it into the context of this conversation makes little sense

Panchgani wrote: ... Because it shows you in the context of being a sniveling busybody who thinks he owns QZ.

Panchgani wrote: QueenZone would be a much better place if YV handed the moderator reins to you and Bob, so that all dissent can be crushed out of the forum ... SARCASM

inu-liger wrote: Aha, I forgot GF wasn't the only one who joined in the Urkelfest! Thanks for the link Panchi

Panchgani wrote: After all his whining about Canadian bullies and his depression, I hope that Urkel does not abandon his daughter in response to being called out for his "holier than thou" postering and snitch bullying of David Fuller.

^ link Perhaps this might have been the third instance I was thinking of, so I will admit I stand corrected in GF's case. However, this still technically doesn't change the fact that there were three documented separate uses of "Urkel" used towards me, two of which took place after I acknowledged contacting QPL reps and had expressed objection towards the use of that word.

MERQRY wrote: What an irony... i'm reading this whole post listening Pink Floyd. So, please go on.

GratefulFan wrote: Anybody at any time is welcome to challenge any assertion I have ever made about Brian's sloppy, dishonest, irrational, cartooned, fluffy badgered and fully headed positions.

But you best come prepared having read as extensively and widely as I have and you best be aware there are reams and reams of facts and papers and wisdom that you won't find on the Soapbox and even sometimes on the BBC, or you will almost certainly be crushed by facts you've never heard while you decided Brian was just 'making the world a better place'.

Mr.QueenFan wrote: GratefullFan, in your best days, you're not wiser than me on my worst days, so stop with the cock measure thing, because your brains are not intimidating to me. You write a lot, but say very little.

Mr.QueenFan wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: Anybody at any time is welcome to challenge any assertion I have ever made about Brian's sloppy, dishonest, irrational, cartooned, fluffy badgered and fully headed positions.

Keep going...

But you best come prepared having read as extensively and widely as I have and you best be aware there are reams and reams of facts and papers and wisdom that you won't find on the Soapbox and even sometimes on the BBC, or you will almost certainly be crushed by facts you've never heard while you decided Brian was just 'making the world a better place'.

For me, any man that takes his time to prevent that 70% of ANY species gets culled is making the world a better place. This is the ONLY FACT that matters to me. Other than that, the decison is based on money and economics, wich i'm really not interested, because the way i see it i think that the other species are not to blame for our economics or deseases. Life is runing it's course and spreading diseases is part of the process, because in the process we're creating stronger species. It will allways be like this! And i'm pretty shure that humans are responsible to spreading deseases to other species too! And this is not about Humans, it's about life, and every species count. You can't eat cow, eat something else, because i don't see Badgers complaining that the Bovines got them the TB in the first place. Humans are just finding out that they can't control life. And by the way, tell your farmers to stop fucking their own animals if they really care so much about it. WTF is wrong with you guys, got get some human pussy for a change and leave animals alone. GratefullFan, in your best days, you're not wiser than me on my worst days, so stop with the cock measure thing, because your brains are not intimidating to me. You write a lot, but say very little. Maybe others feel intimidated by you, and maybe you like the power, but that doesn't work for me, because i don't give a fuck about what you think. And you're really not that hard to figure out either. You and your little submissive bitches on this forum (they know who the are) are keyboard warriors, because i doubt that you guys can look someone in the eyes and repeat to them what you write in private behind the computer. Go troll somewhere else!

Thistleboy1980 wrote: ^ and what nice words could he have said in Portuguese that could possibly have been misinterpreted by an online translator as " go get some human pussy" (instead of fucking animals) or "cock-measuring" to a girl???

Thistleboy1980 wrote: ^ and what nice words could he have said in Portuguese that could possibly have been misinterpreted by an online translator as " go get some human pussy" (instead of fucking animals) or "cock-measuring" to a girl???

Thistleboy1980 wrote: @ Mr queen fan: No, I knew that you were well aware what you were saying. My point was simply to lord gaga, who defended you as some sort of faulty towers "manuel" character who had no idea what he was saying. I am well aware that you can be nice when you want - and nasty, too.

You are entitled to your opinions. But there was no need to bring animal fucking in - no-one here does that,

if you want to challenge someone in an intelligent manner ( as you're keen to demonstrate), do not resort to this sort of trash :)

GratefulFan wrote: First, my argument has never been about what Fuller did or didn't do. I don't know.

The Real Wizard wrote: If you don't know what you're talking about, shut up, and the forum won't have to look like a continuous mudslinging match.

Mr.QueenFan wrote:

Thistleboy1980 wrote: @ Mr queen fan: No, I knew that you were well aware what you were saying. My point was simply to lord gaga, who defended you as some sort of faulty towers "manuel" character who had no idea what he was saying. I am well aware that you can be nice when you want - and nasty, too.

Point taken! I admit sometimes i'm too intense, but if only you could read my uncensored mails, you'd be speechless :-) I can tell that people here are a bit sensitive so i try to adjust my posts so that it doesn't scare people off. And sometimes i feel that people are afraid to say what they REALLY want to say, so i try to lead by example.

You are entitled to your opinions. But there was no need to bring animal fucking in - no-one here does that,

If only you knew :-) (Can you hear the silence in the room?) There's a reason why i raised this issue. It's just to prove that when we want to attack just for the sake of attaking, we bring out issues that don't add anything positve to the discussion, BUT they are not lies, because they can't be proved wrong. Animal fucking exists (once again, it is what it is), so no one can refute that humans are spreading deseases to animals either. Is this a stupid argument? Maybe, but it's a valid one.

if you want to challenge someone in an intelligent manner ( as you're keen to demonstrate), do not resort to this sort of trash :)

I'm not an inteligent person, and i don't want to challenge anyone here. That's not what i'm here for. I'm here to have a good time. But GratefullFan attitude was to make me feel somehow inadequate to have an argument with her because i would be crashed. No way! As i said before, not in her best day, and i in my worst day. It is what it is! About Holly2003, my remark was just to point out that at least he could put more effort into his writing instead of one line responses to some well thought mails like the ones i write. I like to be stimulated, so i think that the least people can do, even to refute something they don't agree with, is to write it in a well thought manner, instead of the one provocative line. I'm shocked to read John S Stuart saying that he goes away from Queenzone, and people being OK with this. And i'm shoked to see Holly2003 laying the new rules of Queenzone and people being OK with this too. Who's Holly2003 to say what we can and can't talk about in this forum for him and others not to troll our threads? If he doesn't like Trading, then go on and read other topic, instead of hijacking the ones he doesn't agree with. But you're right in one thing Thistleboy1980, this is trash, and it's a shame. I don't know of any forum that can work in a healthy way without moderation, and in the case of Queenzone it ruined it.

tero! 48531 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: If you don't know what you're talking about, shut up, and the forum won't have to look like a continuous mudslinging match.

There are three ways how this can continue: 1) You convince the dissidents to shut up, and continue the virtual lynching of David Fuller with the (other) traders. 2) We continue the mudslinging match of traders vs. people who question the actions of the traders 3) You take your personal issues with David Fuller outside QZ, and leave them there. I'd recommend 3), but what do you think?

Holly2003 wrote: Did teacher give you your wowwypop yet?

The Real Wizard wrote: In theory I'd obviously agree with 3, but it's not quite that simple. If someone bashed you out of pure ignorance of reality, would you just let them continue to speak for you? This has to do with a lot more than just one person's self-serving actions. It's about setting the record straight and replacing ignorance with first-hand information.

tero! 48531 wrote: There's really no way to "set the record straight" when we can only have your (biased) view of the events. You're only ruining your own credibility by continuing to bash him, while he's coming off as the bigger man by staying out of the arguments.

The Real Wizard wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Did teacher give you your wowwypop yet?

And you wonder why most people here don't take you seriously... You seriously have the potential, but resorting to one-sentence bullying posts probably isn't the best course of action.

The Real Wizard wrote: Obviously such behaviour isn't acceptable. Difference is - for you it's the norm so you've made yourself a target.

kosimodo wrote: Fantology are Dinosaurs... In this digital age music is doomed to be shared. Be proud you have the original.. Share it with the rest of us. Cant see problem.

kosimodo wrote: Fantology are Dinosaurs... In this digital age music is doomed to be shared. Be proud you have the original.. Share it with the rest of us. Cant see problem.

Battler wrote: To the Fanthology guys here, if you guys want to be believed, then provide reliable and verifiable evidence here to back up your version of the story. Until you do that, anything you say is up for challenge, rebuttal or attack. That said, no person however is up for attack, so neither side should resort to ad hominem attacks. Edit: Just for the reference, Fanthology accused Fuller of things so the onus is on Fanthology to prove their accusations right. Innocent until proven guilty.

The Real Wizard wrote:

tero! 48531 wrote: There's really no way to "set the record straight" when we can only have your (biased) view of the events. You're only ruining your own credibility by continuing to bash him, while he's coming off as the bigger man by staying out of the arguments.

Call it biased if you want. Call him the bigger man if you want. Or you can, once again, listen to the truth: He's in deeper trouble than you can even imagine. He's not away from this forum by choice. If speaking the truth makes me less credible in some people's eyes, then their version of credibility isn't something I give a flying fuck about. Can we finally give this a rest now?

tero! 48531 wrote: For all I know you could be 100% accurate in everything you say, but you still come across as nothing more than a petty and vindictive bully who keeps on beating a guy who does nothing to defend himself.

Even more bullying again... kosimodo wrote: Bob Dylan sang allready a long time ago The times they are a changin' Due to digital formats some investments loose their value. Your shares in TDK arent much worth nowadays either. Take your loss and move on.    And your petrol driven car is second hand. and I have borrowed it from you and you can't use it so take the loss and move on.  WHy did you avoid both what I said and thistleboy said and resort to even yet more bullying. Is it because our answers were not reasonable enough for you? If we were being reasonable then it must be YOU who is being an unreasonable bully because somebody is and it's not me! Or are your  answers selective? From what I read it is you who are being unreasonable by DEMANDING other people to do what YOU want when YOU want it even after they said it WILL be released in the future. Why the impatience and inflammatory posturing? Just saying.     

Battler wrote: I'm member of a website called BetaArchive which is about sharing old and pre-release software. And many people there have shared for free what they have paid lots for. I don't see why the people here can't do the same. Also, as for trading... what is achieved by it other than enlarging some private collections? People will always say "why should I share when there's stuff to trade it for" so it will never make it outside of those 1% of traders. This is why I think sharing is superior.  A good mail with good points But from what I read from realwizzard a lot has already been shared in here by both them John Stuart too. So if I believe the fanthology hype why not give them the benefit of the doubt. afterall they say it is a fanthology because it is an anthology for the fans. if that is true I say give them a fair chance. Maybe they don't want to release a Freddie type Cross box set because they know that say 2 tracks are still missing - so they could be still waiting for them before they release it. Who knows... If that is the case I can see why they would be upset at things leaking early. Especially if they want to release them for FREE when someone ELSE is charging for it. But your guess is as good as mine except I say give them a chance. to me that's fair and reasonable. (reasonable is a word I use a lot! As for Fuller "biting the hand that fed him", this is what I'm asking for reliable and verifiable evidence for. Since their whole case rests on the hypothesis that Fuller did not have the stuff before joining Fanthology and that the shared stuff came from Fanthology. And so far, the only evidence that was provided, was an alleged watermark which is however no evidence because I doubt any audio watermark would get preserved after the audio is converted to a much more lossy YouTube format. You claim otherwise, so it'd be nice to see some evidence for it, rather than just "we say it's so so believe us". Ok another good point I cannot reasonably argue with. but what about the things below. If fuller did do these then he is not the superhero robin hood that many in here want to paint him as quite the opposite really. I am not anti-fuller I am not anti fanthology but I am antibullying and campaigning for reason and reason says if he can do the stuff below then he does have a track record. What is the fanthology track record like.

The Real Wizard wrote: But if most people here don't value this kind of accuracy, then indeed you're right - I'm wasting my time.

kosimodo wrote: I do get the point. And ofcourse i am putting some oil on the fire...

Battler wrote: I'm member of a website called BetaArchive which is about sharing old and pre-release software. And many people there have shared for free what they have paid lots for. I don't see why the people here can't do the same. Also, as for trading... what is achieved by it other than enlarging some private collections? People will always say "why should I share when there's stuff to trade it for" so it will never make it outside of those 1% of traders. This is why I think sharing is superior. As for Fuller "biting the hand that fed him", this is what I'm asking for reliable and verifiable evidence for. Since their whole case rests on the hypothesis that Fuller did not have the stuff before joining Fanthology and that the shared stuff came from Fanthology. And so far, the only evidence that was provided, was an alleged watermark which is however no evidence because I doubt any audio watermark would get preserved after the audio is converted to a much more lossy YouTube format. You claim otherwise, so it'd be nice to see some evidence for it, rather than just "we say it's so so believe us".

Battler wrote: And so far, the only evidence that was provided, was an alleged watermark which is however no evidence because I doubt any audio watermark would get preserved after the audio is converted to a much more lossy YouTube format.

Holly2003 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Did teacher give you your wowwypop yet?

And you wonder why most people here don't take you seriously... You seriously have the potential, but resorting to one-sentence bullying posts probably isn't the best course of action.

And of course not a word from you about "Mr Animal Sex's" disgraceful attempt to bully GF above, or brenski calling her a "cu*t".  You are very predictably hypcritical.

kosimodo wrote: Not trolling.. I can see your point... Hope you can see mine.

Thistleboy1980 wrote:

kosimodo wrote: Not trolling.. I can see your point... Hope you can see mine.

I don't think you are a troll, but admitting that you're adding oil to the fire, instead of adding something sensible, is tantamount to trolling. Don't be that man :)

tero! 48531 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: But if most people here don't value this kind of accuracy, then indeed you're right - I'm wasting my time.

So why do you continue with the bashing? What do you get out of it?? Can you give us ONE concrete example of the benefits you've gotten out of this behaviour in the last year?

The Real Wizard wrote:

tero! 48531 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: But if most people here don't value this kind of accuracy, then indeed you're right - I'm wasting my time.

So why do you continue with the bashing? What do you get out of it?? Can you give us ONE concrete example of the benefits you've gotten out of this behaviour in the last year?

When people say "thanks for the info" It does happen.

Thistleboy1980 wrote: ^ so you keep saying. Take a leaf out of your own book, and get over it :) C'mon, move on :)

brENsKi wrote: i can fully understand why the site's fantology members would need to counter- comment. and to any observer it should be fucking obvious. as i said i have no interests in collecting.... every track i have is at 320kb mp3 or less - i like to listen to stuff and that's it. but why should collectors let these half-baked ill-thought out accusations go unchecked? we ALL know how it works - some anti-collector makes some scurrilous comment and if left unchecked it becomes a future truth....and then there's no undoing it. so i say good luck to them and while people (non collectors and Fuller-cock-suckers) continue to spread bile and lies then the collectors not only have the right - they have a responsibility to put the rest of us right.

tero! 48531 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote:

tero! 48531 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: But if most people here don't value this kind of accuracy, then indeed you're right - I'm wasting my time.

So why do you continue with the bashing? What do you get out of it?? Can you give us ONE concrete example of the benefits you've gotten out of this behaviour in the last year?

When people say "thanks for the info" It does happen.

You call your repeated bashing of David info? And people thank you for it? The first time around (over a year ago) it might have been info, but it's turned into a petty grudge a LONG time ago.

inu-liger wrote:

Thistleboy1980 wrote: ^ so you keep saying. Take a leaf out of your own book, and get over it :) C'mon, move on :)

DING. Some people indeed need to move on from their counter grudging and give everyone else breathing space to do the same. Who knows, maybe some human decency and common sense will be allowed to take a driver's seat here once again? :-)

The Real Wizard wrote: ^ it's a good primer, but plenty more juicy details emerged since then.

tero! 48531 wrote: Actually, you can sum up all the necessary information with just one sentence: David was a member in a group of traders, distributed to the public some material the traders didn't want to be publicly available, and the traders weren't happy about it. That's all we need to know, and the rest can (and should) be taken to private messages. Total rubbish. I disagree with you and this is why.  http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1348401.html How about David was a member in a group of collectors, these collectors wanted to release the best of the best box sets for fans by fans for free, but David stole and sold to the public this same material the collectors gave him for free, and the collectors weren't happy about it because now he has undermined the whole good-will thing and destroyed all trust in and with each other. Why do I believe the latter; because if you look at the Fanthologists as individuals they have all given free, free, free. I have never seen JSS pimp his goods for monies (nor anyone else in the Fanthology), all I have seen are a lot of free uploads and goodwill. I have never seen any goodwill from David unless it was for his own glory or stuff that he has stolen from others. By his own words he is either the biggest hoarder of all time - or he has betrayed the goodwill of the whole Queen community. He cannot have it both ways, and neither can his supporters. Now can you please move on and stop all this bullyboy tactics.

The Valyard wrote: David was a member in a group of collectors, these collectors wanted to release the best of the best box sets for fans by fans for free, but David stole and sold to the public this same material the collectors gave him for free, and the collectors weren't happy about it because now he has undermined the whole good-will thing and destroyed all trust in and with each other.

The Valyard wrote: I have never seen any goodwill from David unless it was for his own glory or stuff that he has stolen from others.

The Valyard wrote: Now can you please move on and stop all this bullyboy tactics.

The Valyard wrote:

The Valyard wrote: http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1348401.html               

The Real Wizard wrote: Valyard - your efforts are admirable, but you just can't argue with cognitive dissonance. Some people just refuse to listen and learn. Save your breath.

The Valyard wrote: The Valyard wrote: It was. i have always said he sold for money go back and reread the stuff i said before. I guess you never read any of these 2 posts before then.

The Valyard wrote: Can I ask you for a couple of apologies please? The first for hinting that I was a liar and that I was making it all up on the spot (or as I went along) when I stated Fuller was selling these tracks and that it was not a throwaway line?

The Valyard wrote: And second for the way you have bullied and harassed everyone else in Queenzone who would not support you or your cronies in your brown-nosing David Fuller campaign?

inu-liger wrote: Tero, how can you even label that post as a "throwaway comment"?? Go back to the phrase dictionary and learn what that even means!

inu-liger wrote: Why you or the other trio refuse to accept the gravity of the legal situation Fuller willingly put himself into is really beyond me. Really does my head in trying to figure your lot out!!

The Valyard wrote: Ofcoarse i have poor discusion skills becase i have already said that i suffer from dyslexia dyspraxia and OCD but that still does not negate my points or mean that i am making it up on the spot.

The Valyard wrote: what i mean is everyone is innocent until poofen guilty. but you cannot say wel i automatically give dadvid the right to be innocent until proven guilty and assume that the fanthology is guilty until proven innoicent but that is what has heppened in here. that is hypocrtical and to preach likewise is bulklying!

The Valyard wrote: so why do you keep harping on about it with your mind closed. have you ever heard of occams razor. ther most likely cause is the most likely answer and i do not like how the fuller camp either have to jump mental gymnastics, distort, ignore and even deliberately manipulate the words of others to suit there own ends. thats not justice. that is closed minded prejudice pure and simple. and if i cannot let that go than that is something i feel more proud of than ashamed.

The Valyard wrote: Everything contributed to this discussion since has either been trolling, bullying or ego in some degree, because sadly some people can only be happy when they are poking about in the misery of others, and it is that, I too would like to see stopped and see Queenzone return to a nice level playing field. So for the sake of everyone in here, can we please move on?

The Valyard wrote: I too would like to see stopped and see Queenzone return to a nice level playing field. So for the sake of everyone in here, can we please move on?

John S Stuart wrote: I also admire that although you clearly nail your colours to the mast as it were, that you have been able to do this without becoming emotionally involved and resorting to negative or derogatory language. From a battle-hardened cynic like myself your child-like innocence is like a breath of fresh air and I only wish I could keep the same calm presence when under fire. I think you have been able to restore some respect and dignity to the board and I am sure you have made many new QZ friends in the short time you have been here.  I hope you continue to take an active part in here and I enjoy reading your mails very much.

The Valyard wrote: In the end; it could be argued that it comes down to the word of two men and which is the one we are more likely to personally believe. JSS Vs. David Fuller.

The Valyard wrote:I also suspect that Fuller has left because he is not a man of pride nor principle but that he has been caught out (not only by the Fanthology) but by his own actions afterward; such as selling (in your words) extortionately priced bootleg CDs the content of which he received for free and in good faith.

John S Stuart wrote: The Valeyard:  It would be rather remiss of me to read your mails without leaving some sort of feedback; so first and foremost let me thank you for your kind and generous words. They are genuinely  appreciated and renew my faith in Queenzone and in myself, so again a very big and heartfelt thank you. However; what I am really impressed with is you. Just last week you were asking what a Fanthology was - and here you are now - writing like some sort of expert! I am fascinated (and agree with Tero) by your meticulous  attention to detail and how you were able to raise points even I had not considered. Some of your insights were eerily accurate and I only wish I could have expressed them with such clarity in person. I also admire that although you clearly nail your colours to the mast as it were, that you have been able to do this without becoming emotionally involved and resorting to negative or derogatory language. From a battle-hardened cynic like myself your child-like innocence is like a breath of fresh air and I only wish I could keep the same calm presence when under fire. I actually Googled O.C.D. for a better understanding of your condition and I see that Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is an obsessive commitment to detail, and while most of us would view that as a positive trait I can see that the condition for you can in fact be a curse. The hours of your research must have been phenomenal; and for you to take around two hours to write a single post, I find that level of focus completely mind-blowing. I think most of us would just give up after ten minutes or so (indeed I did) and hence the spiral of negativity. I think you have been able to restore some respect and dignity to the board and I am sure you have made many new QZ friends in the short time you have been here.  I hope you continue to take an active part in here and I enjoy reading your mails very much. Again a very big thank-you; John

tero! 48531 wrote: Sometimes it takes an outsider to compile the details, and for that we should be thankful to you.

The Valyard wrote: That is true too, but that is still  your speculation even though you dislike speculation. The truth is nobody knows why Fuller has left this board except for Fuller so your guess, my guess and everyone elses guesses are all equal, and if all guesses are equal they are all valid and equally invalid, but you are right we must stick to the facts. As you said looking at the facts as a whole and not just individual bits of mail, and translating the available data into a mathematical problem solving equation it seem reasonable to conclude why Fuller may have left. But you are correct I do not have a full access to full data so my conclusion is based on inconclusive data and therefore must be inconclusive as a result.