QueenZone discussion #1304379

bootLuca wrote: What is happening?where are the people that believe in "The more generous you are with your music, the more it comes back to you."?

scallyuk wrote: ah the elite have spoken.

The Real Wizard wrote: As always, the most opinionated people are those who have zero hands-on experience in the subject at hand. In this case, it is those who have never lifted a finger to obtain an uncirculated recording. They have no idea of how difficult and how expensive it can be to obtain certain recordings. Sharing a bootleg that was sold by a Japanese company is not the same as backstabbing collectors for without whom this section of the forum would be nearly empty. You people obviously have little idea of how most of the recordings get from the source to your pointing and clicking. David Fuller, you have all but killed the sharing spirit of the Queen community with your complete disregard for the people who have spent decades and tens of thousands to obtain the material that you are treating like a dime-a-dozen viral youtube video. Your bounty will soon be dry, and the Queen community will never know how much deeper it may have been, because people will certainly hold back from sharing purely so that you cannot reap the rewards of their work. You should be proud of yourself.

people on streets wrote: Is this the same Bob most so called 'elite traders' know? Wow! You sure changed your opinion 180 degrees on this matter.

Mr. Scully wrote: I'm too "old" to care about rarities, trades in general, seeders and leechers or even Queen with the c-lebrity called Adam Lambert. In fact I "don't care anymore" - there are far more important things in my life than Queen.

John S Stuart wrote:

DJGreg wrote: These tracks are not in lossless quality. Anyway - thanks.

Ofcourse they are lossless. They are from Mini Disc. Some thing "Queen in Cornwall" has not had access too. I wonder how he will reply to this thread? Can anyone contact him?

ghostwithasmile wrote: Interesting discussion... I agree with Bob on this one.... If this is a revolution as some people claim , it is a revolution like operation Walküre torn down before the new goverment was settled in Berlin 1944... This will turn into a minimal great new shares in the announce section... The "elite" which has been spoken of previous in this topic is hardly represented on Queenzone, most of them never read these topics, or post something on here... Of course they will hear of this incident and will be more carefull with their own precious recordings. The beggers on this site really have to be aware that in some cases really indeed thousends of euro's are being payed for a reeltape, acetate , demo etc.etc. The moment it is shared here the value of an item will decrease to a minimum. I am a reeltape collector as well, I love the reels , the older they are the more you need to pay... and moslty there is nothing new on these things... But you don;t know it as long as you don;t put the thing on the machine and listnen to it's content... The test pressing of HS album features the David Bowie Cool cat version,untill know only a crappy high gen bootleg version goes around... So is DRF or any other begger willing to pay about 600-800 euro for this and put it online ? Then you will be a hero... I always laugh about those people who are begging for the French Promo Edit of Boh Rhap.... well it's nothing more as a butchered version of the song... simular to the version as played on Live Magic... Though the curiousity wins .... to obtain something you don;t have , only read about... But once you have it , you will listnen to it once or twice and be very dissapointed... So any one willing to pay 700 euro's for a Boh Rhap Edit ? I am really dissapointed in DRF his choice... don't expect any shares from GHOSTWITHASMILE this year... I planned a very exciting project ... but thanks to situations like these I don;t enjoy the sharing anymore... This messageboard doesn't really add anything for a real collector... 99% are beggers... the remaining 1% are spending time money and efforts to put once in while something exciting online...

Holly2003 wrote:

ghostwithasmile wrote: Interesting discussion... I agree with Bob on this one.... If this is a revolution as some people claim , it is a revolution like operation Walküre torn down before the new goverment was settled in Berlin 1944... This will turn into a minimal great new shares in the announce section... The "elite" which has been spoken of previous in this topic is hardly represented on Queenzone, most of them never read these topics, or post something on here... Of course they will hear of this incident and will be more carefull with their own precious recordings. The beggers on this site really have to be aware that in some cases really indeed thousends of euro's are being payed for a reeltape, acetate , demo etc.etc. The moment it is shared here the value of an item will decrease to a minimum. I am a reeltape collector as well, I love the reels , the older they are the more you need to pay... and moslty there is nothing new on these things... But you don;t know it as long as you don;t put the thing on the machine and listnen to it's content... The test pressing of HS album features the David Bowie Cool cat version,untill know only a crappy high gen bootleg version goes around... So is DRF or any other begger willing to pay about 600-800 euro for this and put it online ? Then you will be a hero... I always laugh about those people who are begging for the French Promo Edit of Boh Rhap.... well it's nothing more as a butchered version of the song... simular to the version as played on Live Magic... Though the curiousity wins .... to obtain something you don;t have , only read about... But once you have it , you will listnen to it once or twice and be very dissapointed... So any one willing to pay 700 euro's for a Boh Rhap Edit ? I am really dissapointed in DRF his choice... don't expect any shares from GHOSTWITHASMILE this year... I planned a very exciting project ... but thanks to situations like these I don;t enjoy the sharing anymore... This messageboard doesn't really add anything for a real collector... 99% are beggers... the remaining 1% are spending time money and efforts to put once in while something exciting online...

99% are beggars? Go fuck yourself pal. As for the rest of you, stop being such a bunch of whiny fucks. If you want to share, thank you: if you don't, fair enough. But let's lay off the "betrayed hero" bulshit -- it's making me ill.

scallyuk wrote: ah the elite have spoken. don;t you realise that it's the hoarders who spend thousands that drive the price UP, that's why you spend thousands because if you weren't so keen to buy it for yourselves there would be less demand and therefore a lower price. Then it wouldn't matter if it got shared. You are competing against each other to buy it anyway, if the aim was to buy and share it then the value would go down because fewer people would worry about "owning it" One person would own the original which would have it's own collectable value but the content would benefit us all and be worthless. Don't make people promise not to share stuff, as Roger said believe in yourself and NOBODY else. "trust no-one. promises were made to be broken. " all cliche's but all true. If it's that fucking important don't share it with anyone, listen to it in your little ivory towers and play who's got the biggest, I don't care anymore. I no longer care if it's FLAC, mp3 or nth gen. I'll give it a listen and decide whether it's actually ANY GOOD. Over the years I've realised that most of it isn't brilliant, unique or perfect. There are other musicians, bands and genres that hold my attention these days. From my perspective as someone who once was able to spend hundreds if not thousands on Queen and now realises that with a family and mortgage there are other priorities. . Thanks Dave

Holly2003 wrote: If you want to share, thank you: if you don't, fair enough.

ghostwithasmile wrote:

Holly2003 wrote:

ghostwithasmile wrote: Interesting discussion... I agree with Bob on this one.... If this is a revolution as some people claim , it is a revolution like operation Walküre torn down before the new goverment was settled in Berlin 1944... This will turn into a minimal great new shares in the announce section... The "elite" which has been spoken of previous in this topic is hardly represented on Queenzone, most of them never read these topics, or post something on here... Of course they will hear of this incident and will be more carefull with their own precious recordings. The beggers on this site really have to be aware that in some cases really indeed thousends of euro's are being payed for a reeltape, acetate , demo etc.etc. The moment it is shared here the value of an item will decrease to a minimum. I am a reeltape collector as well, I love the reels , the older they are the more you need to pay... and moslty there is nothing new on these things... But you don;t know it as long as you don;t put the thing on the machine and listnen to it's content... The test pressing of HS album features the David Bowie Cool cat version,untill know only a crappy high gen bootleg version goes around... So is DRF or any other begger willing to pay about 600-800 euro for this and put it online ? Then you will be a hero... I always laugh about those people who are begging for the French Promo Edit of Boh Rhap.... well it's nothing more as a butchered version of the song... simular to the version as played on Live Magic... Though the curiousity wins .... to obtain something you don;t have , only read about... But once you have it , you will listnen to it once or twice and be very dissapointed... So any one willing to pay 700 euro's for a Boh Rhap Edit ? I am really dissapointed in DRF his choice... don't expect any shares from GHOSTWITHASMILE this year... I planned a very exciting project ... but thanks to situations like these I don;t enjoy the sharing anymore... This messageboard doesn't really add anything for a real collector... 99% are beggers... the remaining 1% are spending time money and efforts to put once in while something exciting online...

99% are beggars? Go fuck yourself pal. As for the rest of you, stop being such a bunch of whiny fucks. If you want to share, thank you: if you don't, fair enough. But let's lay off the "betrayed hero" bulshit -- it's making me ill.

99% are beggars? Go fuck yourself pal. >> Hmmm no need to I am married to a beautifull girl... And yes that's a point only a few people share great stuff here most of the users only download overhere. I am not speaking of sharing something like a new japanese bootleg... But something new... You could use other words ... "Go fuck yourself pal"

The Real Wizard wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: If you want to share, thank you: if you don't, fair enough.

And that's where you should have left it. When you have spent decades and tens of thousands of dollars on music that nobody else has, maybe you won't be so quick to attempt to discredit those who got burned by someone cashing in.

Holly2003 wrote: Having a rare item doesn't make you better than any of us

your comments about "dumb" Queen fans earlier today is fucking insulting.

The Real Wizard wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Having a rare item doesn't make you better than any of us

Nobody said it was. You're the first to suggest it. Why don't you go to a science forum and tell scientists who tell climate change deniers to go back to church that they are engaging in "censorship" ? When people are directly involved in a particular practice, they tend to have a greater expertise than those who aren't.

your comments about "dumb" Queen fans earlier today is fucking insulting.

So it is intelligent people who suggest a small group of fans of one band are the reason why a huge rock festival with dozens of bands playing in several countries was canceled?

Holly2003 wrote: It's your generalisations that are the problem. You're smart enough to know what they are and you still choose to use them. So it's deliberately insulting and you know it.

The Real Wizard wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: It's your generalisations that are the problem. You're smart enough to know what they are and you still choose to use them. So it's deliberately insulting and you know it.

Fair play. But naturally I wasn't having a go at all Queen fans. And no need to hijack a thread with dirty laundry from another. Back to topic..

Gregsynth wrote: This had to happen on my birthday! Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans!

Holly2003 wrote: Why the "your all going to suffer" attitude (not just cause and effect -- attitude)?

ghostwithasmile wrote:

Gregsynth wrote: This had to happen on my birthday! Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans!

Greg you do know wardour already released the wembely 1986 shows ;-) Well is it 70's or 80's ?

Gregsynth wrote:

ghostwithasmile wrote:

Gregsynth wrote:This had to happen on my birthday!Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans!

Greg you do know wardour already released the wembely 1986 shows ;-)Well is it 70's or 80's ?

It's a 70s show!I love those Wembley recordings. Thank God Wardour actually took the time to release those!

brENsKi wrote: this one has left me feeling a bit weird one part of me wants to hear these (and all) rarities the other can't deal with how they got here so guess what? i downloaded them...and instantly deleted them....couldnt bring myself to play them lossless or otherwise on the davidrfuller subject: is the guy a cunt? NO is he severely misguided in his self-important "hero" delusions? probably will QZ ever recover from this? yes we have had plenty of subsequent "leaks" following "houston" so this won't be the last...only difference will be that the pace of leaks will reduce from steady tide, to trickle (post houston) to infreqent drips (post reaction) this guy has leaked other stuff previously, don't these traders ever learn? if he broke your "rules" months ago - why give him another chance? surely that only doubles the crime? i'm not criticising anyone, mistakes on all sides a sad day for this community, but it will recover and it will be fine again soon

pittrek wrote: OK, taken from QueenVault.com : Buona Serra Written by Peter de Rose/Carl Sigman Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : not shared Just A Little Bit Written by Ralph Bass/Buster Brown/John Thornton/Fasts Washington Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : not shared What's On Your Mind Written by Shelby Smith Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : shared as mp3 I'll Go Crazy Written by James Brown Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : shared as a flac sample In The Midnight Hour Written by Cropper/Wilson Pickett Appears on: The Reaction acetate vinyl (1966) Status : Shared as flac I Got You (I Feel Good) Written by James Brown Appears on: The Reaction acetate vinyl (1966) Status : shared as flac So ... anybody has the missing tracks ? This year seams to be very nice for Queen fans :-)

eYe wrote: I will not download this. Thank you very much to the "elite hoarders" for all the shares and all the effort, time and money you put into them. Without you I wouldn't have gigabytes on my harddisks.

Gregsynth wrote: This had to happen on my birthday! Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans!

DJGreg wrote:

pittrek wrote: OK, taken from QueenVault.com : Buona Serra Written by Peter de Rose/Carl Sigman Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : not shared Just A Little Bit Written by Ralph Bass/Buster Brown/John Thornton/Fasts Washington Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : not shared What's On Your Mind Written by Shelby Smith Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : shared as mp3 I'll Go Crazy Written by James Brown Appears on: Johnnie Quale and The Reaction EP acetate vinyl (1966) Status : shared as a flac sample In The Midnight Hour Written by Cropper/Wilson Pickett Appears on: The Reaction acetate vinyl (1966) Status : Shared as flac I Got You (I Feel Good) Written by James Brown Appears on: The Reaction acetate vinyl (1966) Status : shared as flac So ... anybody has the missing tracks ? This year seams to be very nice for Queen fans :-)

Here you got the other tracks.

people on streets wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: As always, the most opinionated people are those who have zero hands-on experience in the subject at hand. In this case, it is those who have never lifted a finger to obtain an uncirculated recording. They have no idea of how difficult and how expensive it can be to obtain certain recordings. Sharing a bootleg that was sold by a Japanese company is not the same as backstabbing collectors for without whom this section of the forum would be nearly empty. You people obviously have little idea of how most of the recordings get from the source to your pointing and clicking. David Fuller, you have all but killed the sharing spirit of the Queen community with your complete disregard for the people who have spent decades and tens of thousands to obtain the material that you are treating like a dime-a-dozen viral youtube video. Your bounty will soon be dry, and the Queen community will never know how much deeper it may have been, because people will certainly hold back from sharing purely so that you cannot reap the rewards of their work. You should be proud of yourself.

Is this the same Bob most so called 'elite traders' know? Wow! You sure changed your opinion 180 degrees on this matter.

Fireplace wrote: though 99% of the Queenzoners have not been made privy to this KGB-elite-super-top-secret whatchamcallit we get to enjoy all the ensuing dirt and are told off for not contributing to something we didn't know existed in the first place.

The Real Wizard wrote:

Fireplace wrote: though 99% of the Queenzoners have not been made privy to this KGB-elite-super-top-secret whatchamcallit we get to enjoy all the ensuing dirt and are told off for not contributing to something we didn't know existed in the first place.

Clearly there is a misunderstanding here. Collectors have been chasing after rare music for decades. It has nothing to do with one particular small group of people. Anyone is welcome to start trying.

Dodger Taylor wrote: surely without some underhand methods nothing would ever have seen the light of day and be lost in the vaults forever

Gregsynth wrote: This had to happen on my birthday! Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans!

pma wrote: I did not download this However, this thread itself was surprisingly interesting. As a former trader (quit in 2004) of unauthorized live recordings, I have always been baffled by the trading community's concept of ownership. When discussing the and by this I mean, someone acting "without the permission of the owner", I highly doubt that purchasing an acetate has in these cases meant that the actual copyright (intellectual property) of the master recording, and the copyrights of the original songwriters and performers were also transferred to the person who made the purchase. Therefore, I would steer clear of using terms like "ownership" in these cases, unless you refer to physical property. Then again, are digital files an extension of this property? What are their legal status? Nevertheless, in terms of physical property, the owner of the acetate clearly "owns" the acetate itself and can do whatever he/she pleases with it (like give/borrow it to trusty ol' QProd) When talking about the distribution rights of copyrighted content, we all know who actually owns this material. If you want something to remain as your "property", the only sure way to achieve this is by keeping it to yourself. No, the previous was not a defense of the topic starter. Just an observation.

Lostman wrote:

Gregsynth wrote: This had to happen on my birthday! Despite the bad circumstances that happened, me and a small group of people will post an audience recording of a show in the very near future. I won't reveal it yet, but to give a hint, it's a show well known by Queen fans!

Hyde Park I guess?

The Real Wizard wrote:

pma wrote: I did not download this However, this thread itself was surprisingly interesting. As a former trader (quit in 2004) of unauthorized live recordings, I have always been baffled by the trading community's concept of ownership. When discussing the and by this I mean, someone acting "without the permission of the owner", I highly doubt that purchasing an acetate has in these cases meant that the actual copyright (intellectual property) of the master recording, and the copyrights of the original songwriters and performers were also transferred to the person who made the purchase. Therefore, I would steer clear of using terms like "ownership" in these cases, unless you refer to physical property. Then again, are digital files an extension of this property? What are their legal status? Nevertheless, in terms of physical property, the owner of the acetate clearly "owns" the acetate itself and can do whatever he/she pleases with it (like give/borrow it to trusty ol' QProd) When talking about the distribution rights of copyrighted content, we all know who actually owns this material. If you want something to remain as your "property", the only sure way to achieve this is by keeping it to yourself. No, the previous was not a defense of the topic starter. Just an observation.

A very valid standpoint. But in the case of these tracks - it was a cover band in the 1960s. It has nothing to do with Queen Productions, even if one of the members of the cover band later ended up being a member of Queen.

ghostwithasmile wrote: This messageboard doesn't really add anything for a real collector... 99% are beggers... the remaining 1% are spending time money and efforts to put once in while something exciting online...

The Real Wizard wrote: but the list of people who contribute new things in collecting communities is very small compared to the people who simply come to eat and run. And these people, whose sense of entitlement is bigger than their common sense, are always the ones who are loudest in their criticism of those who seek out the new stuff and thereby have an informed opinion on the matter.

Mr. Scully wrote: This is not about copyrights or about intellectual property (although I can see that point). Some newbies here see the "elite collectors" as people living in some sort of castle with walls and masturbating every evening while listening to their unique rarities.

ParisNair wrote: I must belong to the beggar's population..but what exactly is my fault? Am I supposed to feel guilty of downloading the stuff that you share?

bigV wrote:...Now we can forget about The Opposition acetates and so on...

bryony wrote: Where is Sir GH ???? He normally has a 'view' on these things .....

ParisNair wrote: Do you think file sharin forums can survive without downloaders? Yeah, we eat and run. What would you have us do? Why bash the downloaders? This site has such a huge number of members who just download and don't share...some of us are content with what they get and post a "thanks", some don't post but are probably grateful for the shares. Then there are those who keep demanding more and more. This last group is surely the smallest in proportion, and their attitude can be termed as immaurity or unawareness of the "collection process".

brians wig wrote:

ParisNair wrote: Do you think file sharin forums can survive without downloaders? Yeah, we eat and run. What would you have us do? Why bash the downloaders? This site has such a huge number of members who just download and don't share...some of us are content with what they get and post a "thanks", some don't post but are probably grateful for the shares. Then there are those who keep demanding more and more. This last group is surely the smallest in proportion, and their attitude can be termed as immaurity or unawareness of the "collection process".

I know I'm probably going slightly off topic here, but what would be REALLY nice is if, when those who only take and never give back, actually decided that the next time they go to a Queen related gig, they will take a recorder in with them (doesn't matter if it's audio or video) and record as much as they possibly can and then share it with everyone as a "thank you" for all the stuff they've downloaded. Sadly it doesn't seem to work that way with Queen fans. Infact Queen fans seem to be the only people these days who will NOT get together as a group to film concerts from various angles and then edit them together to share with the fan base.

brians wig wrote:

inu-liger wrote: And one more point I would like to throw in the ring: By breaking the trust and progress that WAS coming along in the higher ups' circle in order to become a 'hero' for the greedy many, David has not only reinforced the severe mistrust that was ONLY starting to be overcome, but now has made it even MORE impossible for the real fans to expect any new rarities to enjoy...

Don't bet on it. Despite Mr Fullers recent behavior, as I've already stated a few times now, the whole point of the group was to collate a definitive archive of unnofficial material that could be shared once complete. The Reaction tracks would have been enjoyed by all eventually (and by eventually I'm NOT talking in the same league as Queen and their "Anthology" that we are STILL waiting for!), but the decision as to when should have been made by John Stuart (As he provided the tracks) and not by Mr Fuller. There WILL be something coming from the group at the latter end of this year, but it's being timed to co-incide with an anniversary date... and that's as much as I'm saying. Infact, thinking about it, there should also be something coming in the first week of May...

brians wig wrote:

ParisNair wrote: Do you think file sharin forums can survive without downloaders? Yeah, we eat and run. What would you have us do? Why bash the downloaders? This site has such a huge number of members who just download and don't share...some of us are content with what they get and post a "thanks", some don't post but are probably grateful for the shares. Then there are those who keep demanding more and more. This last group is surely the smallest in proportion, and their attitude can be termed as immaurity or unawareness of the "collection process".

I know I'm probably going slightly off topic here, but what would be REALLY nice is if, when those who only take and never give back, actually decided that the next time they go to a Queen related gig, they will take a recorder in with them (doesn't matter if it's audio or video) and record as much as they possibly can and then share it with everyone as a "thank you" for all the stuff they've downloaded. Sadly it doesn't seem to work that way with Queen fans. Infact Queen fans seem to be the only people these days who will NOT get together as a group to film concerts from various angles and then edit them together to share with the fan base.

brians wig wrote:

ParisNair wrote: Do you think file sharin forums can survive without downloaders? Yeah, we eat and run. What would you have us do? Why bash the downloaders? This site has such a huge number of members who just download and don't share...some of us are content with what they get and post a "thanks", some don't post but are probably grateful for the shares. Then there are those who keep demanding more and more. This last group is surely the smallest in proportion, and their attitude can be termed as immaurity or unawareness of the "collection process".

I know I'm probably going slightly off topic here, but what would be REALLY nice is if, when those who only take and never give back, actually decided that the next time they go to a Queen related gig, they will take a recorder in with them (doesn't matter if it's audio or video) and record as much as they possibly can and then share it with everyone as a "thank you" for all the stuff they've downloaded. Sadly it doesn't seem to work that way with Queen fans. Infact Queen fans seem to be the only people these days who will NOT get together as a group to film concerts from various angles and then edit them together to share with the fan base.

ParisNair wrote:

brians wig wrote:

ParisNair wrote: Do you think file sharin forums can survive without downloaders? Yeah, we eat and run. What would you have us do? Why bash the downloaders? This site has such a huge number of members who just download and don't share...some of us arecontent with what they get and post a "thanks", some don't post but are probably grateful for the shares. Then there are those who keep demanding more and more. This last group is surely the smallest in proportion, and their attitude can be termed as immaurity or unawareness of the "collection process".

I know I'm probably going slightly off topic here, but what would be REALLY nice is if, when those who only take and never give back, actually decided that the next time they go to a Queen related gig, they will take a recorder in with them (doesn't matter if it's audio or video) and record as much as they possibly can and then share it with everyone as a "thank you" for all the stuff they've downloaded. Sadly it doesn't seem to work that way with Queen fans. Infact Queen fans seem to be the only people these days who will NOT get together as a group to film concerts from various angles and then edit them together to share with the fan base.

I would if I could. I was a 5 y.o. in 1986. I can't do it now, becos I don's live in the west. There is very little chance that they'll tour anywhere near my place of residence (Mumbai, India). OK this is only my situation, and I can't speak for the others "who only take and never give back". So my personal message to the sharers is - if u do share, I am greatful to you. If you don't share, so be it. But don't make out yourselves to be Jesus of the queen fans.

brians wig wrote: Despite Mr Fullers recent behavior, as I've already stated a few times now, the whole point of the group was to collate a definitive archive of unnofficial material that could be shared once complete.

inu-liger wrote: John, some people just don't understand the concept of putting to practice PATIENCE. They want it all, and they want it NOW. I can understand now in this context the reason why Fanthology was meant to be kept a secret until the end of the project's completion...the less people know, the faster things would get accomplished, the better.

John S Stuart wrote: Sorry still travelling. My point is rather than wait for a deluxe product, you are happy downloading crap and think it's a victory. Then you shoot the guys behind the scenes for coming up with the idea and for not being quick enough in delivery. I really don't get this place. I really don't.

brians wig wrote: That's a fair enough assumption to make and my reply to that is a simple one: As far as the video archive is concerned, I have about 150 tapes that still need capturing and there are a few other peoples collections that I still need to get hold of. Once a reasonable amount of it has been collated, all of the duplicate items need checking and comparing to see which is the best video quality, audio quality, are they complete, do I need to use a few different sources to get the best, most complete version... The last thing we want to do is create something that then needs an upgrade a month or two later when another tape comes in. Of course, there has to be a line drawn somewhere otherwise nothing would ever get released and as it happens one particular collection has been completed and this is what will be released in May. It was always intended for May release, but after the events of the last few days and the expectency of comments like yours, it was felt we may as well make an announcement about it now rather than just posting it anonymously. Some of you will believe that, some of you won't. The fact is that even though the groups existence is now known, we still don't need to post anything if we don't want to, but the intention was always to do so. As for the rarities though: you don't release your Crown Jewels first.

Inu-liger wrote: John, some people just don't understand the concept of putting to practice PATIENCE.

Zebonka12 wrote: I think the Collector business model is outdated and has to change if you guys really want to stay both relevant and happy