Tim Goossen 19.01.2011 11:20 |
Hi, as we all know, the One Vision intro was done on a Yamaha DX7 (see One Vision In The Studio on GH-II dvd). I haven't been successful in re-creating the string-like sound that was used. It's definitely not a standard factory preset, but probably tweaked (starting from a factory preset) to get this sound. Now, tweaking a sound with a DX7 is simple, but recreating a sound is a total different matter. I've looked on the internet, but didn't find any patches or settings to get this specific sound. Anyone ever tried it (successfully)? Also nice to know if someone knows which DX7 settings/patches were used in other Queen songs :-) Thanks! Cheers, Tim |
Sebastian 19.01.2011 19:20 |
AFAIR, A Kind of Magic, Who Wants to Live Forever, One Year of Love, Pain Is So Close to Pleasure, My Baby Does Me, Rain Must Fall, Was It All Worth It and perhaps Don't Lose Your Head. |
BradMay 19.01.2011 19:34 |
Live they used the DX-7 with Syn-Orchestra patch from Rom 2A or 2B for I Want To Break Free. |
TobyBarnett 15.05.2012 20:09 |
I bought a DX7 last year (one reason was for the 'WWTLF' syn-orch sound, alone!) Great synth, and not as difficult to program as it's made out to be! Just thinking now, the chimes (0:10) Princes of the Universe is the Tubular Bell preset on the DX7 As for One Vision, I'm convinced it's NOT the DX7 on the recording! Sorry :( None of the DX7 string presets sound anywhere near to One Vision and it doesn't really sound like FM synthesis to me.. the thing that convinced me - in the 'making of' video for One Vision, Brian IS playing a DX7, however (this is extreme observation skill here!), I can't see any cable connected to the audio output on the DX7. Only the MIDI out cable (about 6" along, on the back left of the synth). So basically, I'm sure it was just being used at the time to control some other synth/sound module in the studio at that time around 7:45 link Sorry for the longgg explanation.. I don't know what was actually used for that string sound I'm afraid. Think I read somewhere it was an E-mu Emulator, but no evidence to support that! Innuendo album is fullll of Korg M1 presets btw!.. I might put a little video up on youtube with DX7/Korg M1 queen sounds :) |
Fireplace 16.05.2012 06:08 |
It actually reminds me of the modern digital string sounds used for dance/techno music. Short attack and very little release. Might well have been an Emulator module. |
inu-liger 16.05.2012 12:28 |
"Innuendo album is fullll of Korg M1 presets btw!.. I might put a little video up on youtube with DX7/Korg M1 queen sounds :) " I would be very interested in that! I have a VST based on the Korg M1, so I'd like to be able to play around with the known presets used on Innuendo :) |
Tim Goossen 17.05.2012 05:09 |
TobyBarnett wrote: I bought a DX7 last year (one reason was for the 'WWTLF' syn-orch sound, alone!) Great synth, and not as difficult to program as it's made out to be! Just thinking now, the chimes (0:10) Princes of the Universe is the Tubular Bell preset on the DX7 As for One Vision, I'm convinced it's NOT the DX7 on the recording! Sorry :( None of the DX7 string presets sound anywhere near to One Vision and it doesn't really sound like FM synthesis to me.. the thing that convinced me - in the 'making of' video for One Vision, Brian IS playing a DX7, however (this is extreme observation skill here!), I can't see any cable connected to the audio output on the DX7. Only the MIDI out cable (about 6" along, on the back left of the synth). So basically, I'm sure it was just being used at the time to control some other synth/sound module in the studio at that time around 7:45 link Sorry for the longgg explanation.. I don't know what was actually used for that string sound I'm afraid. Think I read somewhere it was an E-mu Emulator, but no evidence to support that! Innuendo album is fullll of Korg M1 presets btw!.. I might put a little video up on youtube with DX7/Korg M1 queen sounds :) |
Tim Goossen 17.05.2012 05:11 |
Ok... my text was missing in my previous post for some reason. Next try -------- Hi Toby. That is a very interesting observation! I checked the video and you're absolutely right. Well spotted! You mean that the synth orchestra preset is used in WWTLF (the intro)? Both studio as well as the live version? I'm also interested in your Korg M1 facts on the Innuendo album :-) Slightly Mad uses the Choir preset as far as I know. On the internet you can read here and there that The Show Must Go On uses the Low Orch preset. Indeed, it comes close, but I still think that it does not sound completely identical (but that may be due to some postprocessing in the studio?). By the way, the string sound at the beginning of It's A Beautiful Day on the Made In Heaven album also sounds very 'Korg M1 like'. It sounds like the Symphonic preset (listen to the string sound that pops in at around 0:21 in link. Cheers, Tim |
Sebastian 18.05.2012 02:36 |
I completely agree regarding One Vision; the DX-7 could've been used to input the notes, and then they could've had the MIDI played using the sound from a different synth, like the K-250 or the CMI. |
ludwigs 18.05.2012 12:53 |
I would strongly attest to Toby's ears here. He has done some superb recreations of the aforementioned bits. He sent me the WWTLF solution a few years back but being an incompetent knob I couldn't utilise it....maybe in the near future? Check out his version of 'Days of Our Lives'.Many people believed he sang over the original track but it was all him!! |
TobyBarnett 25.06.2012 10:50 |
Just hooked up my DX7 and recorded a bit of WWTLF! link 'Syn-Orch' preset from ROM cartridge 2b If I can do a quick video, I'll demo some of the Korg M1 Queen sounds too! :) |
Tim Goossen 25.06.2012 14:46 |
Cool! It would be great if you make the Queen-Korg-M1 vids too :-) Thanks! Cheers, Tim |
TobyBarnett 25.06.2012 15:25 |
..here's the Korg M1 demo :) It's the software version, using the DX7 as a controller. link I'm sure I've missed some out, but these are the sounds that came to mind! 'Universe' - Don't Try So Hard 'Symphonic' - DTSH/Bijou etc. 'Strings' - DTSH 'Choir' - Slightly Mad 'MagicOrgan' - I Can't Live WIth You (at about 3:06) 'Stratos' - reminded me a bit of the ending to Untitled, on MiH I probably missed a bunch of them out, and this is just card on for the M1 :) |
inu-liger 25.06.2012 15:45 |
Dude, that's pretty fucking awesome!!! I'm sure there's more settings to be found, but great work so far :D |
TobyBarnett 25.06.2012 15:53 |
Thanks! Just remembered, the M1 piano features quite a bit on MiH as well (Let Me Live/Beautiful Day). Still, the One Vision string sound mystery is unsolved! Could've been anything tbh |
brENsKi 25.06.2012 15:57 |
wow!!! no seriously, fucking wow love it |
popy 25.06.2012 18:20 |
wow double wow i always searched on youtube for videos of people trying to emulate Queen keyboard/synth sounds (specially if they have "how to"), with pretty much of zero luck. this is awesome :D Youtube is full of videos of people emulating Pink Floyd's Rick Writght sounds. It's very nice to finally find someone who does the same for Queen keyboard/synth sounds. Anyone knows more youtube users doing that for Queen sounds? |
inu-liger 25.06.2012 21:12 |
TobyBarnett wrote: Thanks! Just remembered, the M1 piano features quite a bit on MiH as well (Let Me Live/Beautiful Day). Still, the One Vision string sound mystery is unsolved! Could've been anything tbh I'm sure if the fan community can keep pursuing this research, we'll eventually find at least some sort of a reasonable answer :-) |
ploughman 26.06.2012 15:38 |
TobyBarnett wrote: ..here's the Korg M1 demo :) It's the software version, using the DX7 as a controller. link I'm sure I've missed some out, but these are the sounds that came to mind! 'Universe' - Don't Try So Hard 'Symphonic' - DTSH/Bijou etc. 'Strings' - DTSH 'Choir' - Slightly Mad 'MagicOrgan' - I Can't Live WIth You (at about 3:06) 'Stratos' - reminded me a bit of the ending to Untitled, on MiH I probably missed a bunch of them out, and this is just card on for the M1 :)Wow! Did you really get these sound with Korg Legacy M1 Software synth? In that case, I need this machine too. Wow again! You've been doing a superb job with this. Do you know if by any chance, there is a possibility to get taht WWTLF - intro sound separately to load it to another machine? Or is the only way just to buy the real thing? I have to explain: we are playing with a Queen tributeband, "One Vision" in Finland and our keyboardist is using Roland Fantom X6. Of course, if we could be able to get that DX7 sound uploaded somehow to his machine that would make things lot more easier than just bringin two keyboards... But I guess this isn't possible...or is it? link |
TobyBarnett 26.06.2012 16:08 |
@ploughman Thanks! Yep, they're on 'card' 1 of the Korg software. I guess it's just how the real synth comes! As for the WWTLF, I'm not familiar with the Fantom x6.. but I'd guess it's not just as simple as loading a particular sound. Although DX7 patches can be used with some software FM synths, I doubt any current keyboard would read the data. Just a thought.. if the Fantom allows short audio files to be imported directly via usb, it could be possible to use a DX7 sample (I'd happily provide some), to play back using the keyboard. |
TobyBarnett 26.06.2012 16:10 |
@ploughman ..actually, it may be much simpler... if your keyboardist has access to a laptop + audio/midi interface (m-box or something similar), FM8 (Native Instruments software) is a virtual DX7 and the original DX7 presets can be loaded into it - sounds identical :) Hope this helps |
ploughman 27.06.2012 03:14 |
TobyBarnett wrote: @ploughman ..actually, it may be much simpler... if your keyboardist has access to a laptop + audio/midi interface (m-box or something similar), FM8 (Native Instruments software) is a virtual DX7 and the original DX7 presets can be loaded into it - sounds identical :) Hope this helpsThanks! I've found some syx-files for DX7 and the Legacy Software seems to be a "must-to-buy". I'm still thinking of using a laptop and playing them via that, or do you think sampling will give a good result? If we should sample every key separately will it still be as good as the real thing... I mean all the velocity and all? ps. Did you check if "Low Orch" preset really is the one they used for Show Must Go on? ;-) |
TobyBarnett 27.06.2012 07:56 |
@ploughman , This is the closest I got with the 'low orch' Korg M1 patch link Not perfect, but pretty close! I'll pm you some more ideas for WWTLF |
Over the Field 02.07.2012 07:09 |
I want DX7 sooo badly! |
popy 06.08.2012 14:30 |
Queen's Keyboard Player Spike Edney - Behind the scenes with the KORG Kronos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwDBvvipkD4 |
eltmatt86 18.09.2012 07:56 |
Hi everyone, I'm an avid Queen fan and keyboardist forming a Queen tribute, I really want the Who wants to live forever DX7 sound, i have a laptop in my rig so am going to purchase the FM8. Where can I download the DX7 presets? |
Matias Merçeauroix 16.06.2013 00:51 |
the slightly mad sound is the third sound, I think OOH/AAH The only way to make it sound like the song is to play it with a "hard stacatto" if you know what I mean. THEN it's the song, otherwise it doesn't sound so convincing As for the show must go on, I always had my doubts about this song being played on a M1 but the closest I've ever got was the STRINGSYNT patch, adding strings to the combination and tweaking the attack, release of the notes and overall reverb. I got pretty darn close but it makes me wonder, as 99% of the other sounds are not modified at all... why would this one be so "hidden"? But it's not a DX7, that's for sure. The opening progression from I Want To Break Free is, for example. But those had to be heavily modified for sure. |
Matias Merçeauroix 16.06.2013 01:38 |
Well, what do you know? I read on wikipedia's KORG M1 article that the preset they used for The Show Must Go On is Orchestra and I found out that though it may not really be that one, it's much closer than anything I've tried before. The ORCHESTRA 1, that is. You can find it in the COMBI sounds. I tweaked the cutoff a little, the attack, release and the annoying massive reverb and it sounded very very close to the original. I'm guessing this is the right one, maybe with a little more work. |
matt z 17.06.2013 00:47 |
Just a comment. Nothing much to add for the discussion. "Glad to see such an informative/interesting intelligent thread on qz that hasn't devolved into insults and destruction (or talk of the rainbow dvd/blu Ray)" |
Togg 17.06.2013 05:46 |
Excellent work Sir
TobyBarnett wrote: ..here's the Korg M1 demo :) It's the software version, using the DX7 as a controller. link I'm sure I've missed some out, but these are the sounds that came to mind! 'Universe' - Don't Try So Hard 'Symphonic' - DTSH/Bijou etc. 'Strings' - DTSH 'Choir' - Slightly Mad 'MagicOrgan' - I Can't Live WIth You (at about 3:06) 'Stratos' - reminded me a bit of the ending to Untitled, on MiH I probably missed a bunch of them out, and this is just card on for the M1 :) |
BradMay 21.06.2013 22:41 |
The I Want To Break Free intro on the RECORD is a Jupiter-8. The I Want To Break Free intro LIVE is a DX7 with one of the Ram Cartridges on the sound "SynOrchestra" Yes, its that simple. The I'm Going Slightly Mad sound is a Korg M1 on the sound "Choir" And the sound used for Was It All Worth It wasnt the Korg M1, but that was the "Fantasia" preset on the Roland D-50. Show Must Go On was played on the Korg M1 with the preset "Symphonic" One Vision was a DX7 with (If my mind serves me correct) Strings 1 from the Factory Bank. |
Matias Merçeauroix 22.06.2013 19:39 |
BradMay wrote: The I Want To Break Free intro on the RECORD is a Jupiter-8. The I Want To Break Free intro LIVE is a DX7 with one of the Ram Cartridges on the sound "SynOrchestra" Yes, its that simple. The I'm Going Slightly Mad sound is a Korg M1 on the sound "Choir" And the sound used for Was It All Worth It wasnt the Korg M1, but that was the "Fantasia" preset on the Roland D-50. Show Must Go On was played on the Korg M1 with the preset "Symphonic" One Vision was a DX7 with (If my mind serves me correct) Strings 1 from the Factory Bank.Not at all. The Break Free intro was played on a DX7. And the Slightly Mad sound is the 03:Ooh/Aah sound from the Korg M1. Also, the Symphonic preset is the one they used on Bijou, NOT TSMGO. The Show Must Go On was played on an M1, but it was the Orchestra1 sound from the "combi" list and it was modified, specially the attack and release of the notes. Some cutoff and resonance algo, specially on the synth saw. I've been trying to recreate that one lately and that got me very very close. |
BradMay 23.06.2013 14:15 |
Are you shitting me right now? :') The intro from I Want To Break Free in the studio was a Jupiter-8 There is NO WAY a DX7 can sound THAT organic/analog. The intro from lets say Live At Wembley is played on a DX-7. And you can clearly hear the difference, the DX7 sounds rather stathic and cold, were as the Jupiter-8 sounds very organic. (The sound from WWTLF and IWTBF on Live At Wembley is the same sound btw..) A Jupiter-8 is an ANALOG synth, and DX7 is a FM (So DIGITAL) synth.. "The Works (Aug 1983 - Jan 1984): OB-Xa, OB8, Jp-8, Fairlight CMI, Roland VP-330, Linn drum machine " |
chen lung 12.02.2015 00:47 |
According to this, it was a Kurzweil K250. |
BETA215 24.06.2017 15:03 |
Somebody got a sound close to the one in TSMGO? Orchestra1 sounds so dark and simple in comparison, it doesn't seem like the right sound. |
Mr Prime Jive 24.06.2017 21:54 |
One vision strings sounds very very synclavier to me. Just explore that direction. You will find em. |
Fireplace 17.11.2018 18:26 |
The One Vision string intro is very definitely from the Emulator II. For those interested, Rhythmic Robot has a VST that has the absolute exact sound, Should you be able to get your hands on it, the patch is called "EII Marcato Strings". Once you hear it there can be no doubt. |
Mr Prime Jive 19.11.2018 22:39 |
BINGO! ^^ link |
Sebastian 17.08.2020 23:04 |
Bumped. What an interesting old topic! |