| guild93 08.01.2011 22:22 |
A while back it was noted that a fragment of Hammer To Fall was on the official Tribute DVD but on closer look there are actually several (sorry if these have already been noted). These are also in addition to the bit (probably from Tutti Frutti) that Miklos posted link (sorry one of the segments are in there twice) |
| john bodega 08.01.2011 22:55 |
It's actually quite hypnotic if you listen to it a few times in a row! |
| pittrek 09.01.2011 03:27 |
Can I know what's the source ? It looks like film |
| guild93 09.01.2011 03:48 |
All from the Freddie Tribute bonus DVD, filmed by the Doro team |
| pittrek 09.01.2011 05:10 |
I have already used all of them except the second one - any idea which song it is ? Definitely something from the second half of the show, I have to check it later |
| guild93 09.01.2011 05:24 |
No idea Peter. So you've identified which songs the rest of the clips are from? I haven't checked yet. |
| pittrek 09.01.2011 05:59 |
The first clip (Freddie bending over) is the beginning of Hammer To Fall. The second is unknown. The third clip is from the instrumental part of Hammer To Fall The fourth clip is the same as the first one, maybe a few seconds later / before. The fifth is the end of HTF The sixth clip comes after Bohemian Rhapsody |
| guild93 09.01.2011 16:40 |
Actually I think the last two clips are both from Bo Rhap (a few seconds apart) as you can see Freddie nodding to the audience and then saluting a few moments later |
| pittrek 10.01.2011 00:54 |
I'm absolutely sure I got them correct, because I compared them with the audience video |
| queen79luca 10.01.2011 05:39 |
Ok guys, we already discuss it many many times, but..I would like to ask Brian now where these bits come from ??? He said that no-one press the Red button for recording the show..this is a prove, A FACT that is not true! Professional shooting taked probably from the 2 cameras at the beginning of the stage, one left, one right of the cat walk. He also add that bits were recorded. Ok, but this is not a DO-RO shooting and if bits were recorded they start to shoot Hammer to fall?..and if thay have got Hammer to fall why not what s before?..the theory of no one press the red botton of recording it falls here..... What do u think ? |
| pittrek 10.01.2011 06:20 |
As I wrote many times already , these pro-shot bits are (almost ? ) identical to the footage which was shown on the big screen. And don't forget that DoRo has AT LEAST the full second half of the concert filmed (from Is This The World We Created to God Save The Queen) |
| emrabt 10.01.2011 07:02 |
He also add that bits were recorded. Ok, but this is not a DO-RO shooting and if bits were recorded they start to shoot Hammer to fall?..and if thay have got Hammer to fall why not what s before?..the theory of no one press the red botton of recording it falls here..... ======================================= Queen productions have nothing, I believe that's true. But DoRO have a whole bunch of stuff from knebworth, this is fact, Queen Productions are just not interested in paying for it to be sorted, so it's probably lumped together with everything else as "magic tour". Speculation but they may have even had a recorder patched into the big screen for a few bits, not the full concert but a song or two, it's not Totally unreasonable to think that they’d want something from the screen for their non-existent documentary. However, If this were true, we would have seen something on a release somewhere. |
| Bad Seed 10.01.2011 07:48 |
I also think it's unlikely they have the big screen footage, I'm sure it would have turned up on a documentary at some point if it still existed. Around the time LAWS was released Brian said that they DID HAVE the footage fed to the screen, but it would never see the light of day because of bad camera angles etc. Within a fortnight the post was removed from his soapbox with no explaination. He was probably bombarded with email's demanding a release (I was one of them)! The next time Brian mentioned it, we got the 'nobody pressed record' story. So either Brian was wrong about having the footage, or he doesn't want it released so says it was never recorded. Or (and quite possible with their track record) its been lost. |
| emrabt 10.01.2011 08:09 |
Brian said that they DID HAVE the footage fed to the screen ====================================================== He said, like greg, that they have the footage "Filmed off the screen", in other words what we all have. He later re-worded the post to make it clear that the feed TO the screen wasn't recorded. |
| Bad Seed 10.01.2011 08:57 |
No he didn't. About 7-8 years ago he said on his soapbox that they had the video feed. He added that because the individual cameras were not actually recording, they couldn't edit the footage, and it was therefore not suitable for a release. All they had was what was sent to the screen live on the day. What he said was nothing to do with the audience recording. Within a few weeks this post was removed for some reason? It was some years later he said that it was not recorded. |
| emrabt 10.01.2011 09:21 |
No he didn't. About 7-8 years ago he said on his soapbox that they had the video feed. ===================================== We can argue about this all you want, "the video feed" is what WE all have, it Could have meant that it was the raw screen footage, but since then it's been made extremely clear, it’s the film of the screen. ====================================== He added that because the individual cameras were not actually recording, they couldn't edit the footage, and it was therefore not suitable for a release. All they had was what was sent to the screen live on the day. ==================================== Bingo, if it was the Raw screen feed it would be releasable, look at Montréal, they were unable to re-edit that. They have the video of the screen; the one that looks like it's infested with scabies, which is totally unreleasable. It’s the same thing he’s always said, but now he’s learnt to word it better. The footage from the cameras wasn’t recorded; we only have the video feed of the screen. |
| Blackthorne 10.01.2011 13:09 |
In the video "The Show Must Go On" link 3:34 it appears the same first clip that the first clip guild93 posted here is another video from "In My Defence" not the 2000 version link 0:08 I think is Knebworth gig 2:38 is the same than the third clip that guild93 posted |
| pittrek 10.01.2011 13:25 |
Great catch with the In My Defence video. I have never seen the 0:08 segment. Where can I find the video in pre-YouTube quality, please ? |
| Hangman_96 10.01.2011 13:28 |
Hmm, I always thought that bit on 8th second is from Budapest from Tie Your Mother Down. |
| john bodega 10.01.2011 13:30 |
Video from "the screen" would show obvious videotape artifacts that are not present in any of the 'pro' stuff that has been seen in snippets. Two possibilities, here - Brian is telling the truth and the video was not recorded, OR the video was recorded and for some reason was never seen again by anyone. Anyone who says otherwise is victim to their own wishful thinking. I understand and empathise, but it's ultimately a self defeating way to live your life. |
| john bodega 10.01.2011 13:32 |
"Within a fortnight the post was removed from his soapbox with no explaination. He was probably bombarded with email's demanding a release (I was one of them)! The next time Brian mentioned it, we got the 'nobody pressed record' story" Bit of Occam's Razor, here - the simplest explanation is that Brian spoke out of turn, and deleted his earlier comments once he realised that he was wrong. |
| pittrek 10.01.2011 13:33 |
Lostman wrote: Hmm, I always thought that bit on 8th second is from Budapest from Tie Your Mother Down.Definitely not. Freddie is dressed differently - compare it with this : link |
| pittrek 10.01.2011 13:37 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Video from "the screen" would show obvious videotape artifacts that are not present in any of the 'pro' stuff that has been seen in snippets. Two possibilities, here - Brian is telling the truth and the video was not recorded, OR the video was recorded and for some reason was never seen again by anyone. Anyone who says otherwise is victim to their own wishful thinking. I understand and empathise, but it's ultimately a self defeating way to live your life.There were 2 different camera crews, and the pro-shot bits are from the DoRo footage. But still, some of the pro-shot bits "could" be from the first source - check this video link from cca 0:20 |
| emrabt 10.01.2011 14:06 |
Video from "the screen" would show obvious videotape artifacts that are not present in any of the 'pro' stuff that has been seen in snippets. ========================================================= Those are DoRo's bits and pieces, While I don’t think queen have anything worth watching from knebworth, DoRo clearly have a big Chunk of stuff, containing both front stage and behind the scenes footage, you'll notice Knebworth stuff is all from DoRo's archive footage videos. If queen productions had anything from this night we would have seen some of it by now. There's a possibility Doro had recorded a song or two from the screen feed, to use in the documentary that never surfaced, but this is just speculation, they may have just had a camera in the same area as the one for the screen. unfortunately Queen don't seem interested in paying to get the stuff sorted out. |
| Doga 10.01.2011 15:40 |
I'm sure at 100 per 100 about hammer to fall bits of the Freddie Tribute Disk 2. They come from the big sceen source. Queen have the ''big sceen concert'' in their achives, i'm sure. If they have more, it's a mystery. |
| guild93 10.01.2011 15:54 |
Yes well spotted indeed Blackthorne! If the video feed does exist even on a VHS tape, they could certainly clean up the quality with todays technology and combine it with the Doro stuff to make something presentable. I think if they have some secret that they have been 'saving' for the right moment then this is the year to release it in some capacity (40th anniversary year, and August will ALSO be the 25th anniversary of the show itself ) otherwise we'll all die of old age first .... |
| Blackthorne 10.01.2011 18:38 |
Pittrek said: Great catch with the In My Defence video. I have never seen the 0:08 segment. Where can I find the video in pre-YouTube quality, please ? I found this on disc 2 from the dvd Freddie Mercury: "Lover of Life, Singer of Songs" link |
| Blackthorne 10.01.2011 18:39 |
pittrek wrote: Great catch with the In My Defence video. I have never seen the 0:08 segment. Where can I find the video in pre-YouTube quality, please ? Sorry for the double-post I didn't notice the quote button :( |
| guild93 10.01.2011 20:56 |
One more observation about the Hammer to Fall clip (again sorry if this has been mentioned) - the PRO clip is slightly longer than the 'screen' version which suggests one of the following: A: DoRo DO have the individual screen camera feeds B: There were 2 camera's side by side both filming Freddie, with same zoom, one recorded by Doro and one going to the screen mix (far fetched I know). |
| john bodega 10.01.2011 21:07 |
B: isn't far fetched at all. I'm not sure which thread it was in, but someone was comparing the angles and they were slightly different. The giveaway was Roger Taylor doing the same thing at the same time, yet being in a different spot in each camera angle. They were clearly set up in a similar position, but it wasn't identical. |
| emrabt 11.01.2011 00:42 |
One more observation about the Hammer to Fall clip (again sorry if this has been mentioned) - the PRO clip is slightly longer than the 'screen' version which suggests one of the following:A: DoRo DO have the individual screen camera feeds B: There were 2 camera's side by side both filming Freddie, with same zoom, one recorded by Doro and one going to the screen mix (far fetched I know). ========================= C: DoRo were Allowed to record the feed from a camera pointed at the stage which belonged to the other crew. For B, the cameras wouldn't need to be side by side, one could have been more zoomed than the other, but placed further back. The fact it's longer pretty much rules it out as footage from the unedited screen feed. |
| Doga 11.01.2011 11:48 |
I think is simply. QueenProductions have the full scren feed and maybe all the footage from all the cameras. We all see the snippets in The Show Must Go On clip, a lot of documentaries and Freddie Tribute Disk 2. They gave a copy to DoRo productions but now forget they have this in the archives. For a lot of fans Knebworth is a must, but meybe for they isn't prioritary. Or maybe have a strategy of marketing. |
| Luko255 12.01.2011 01:31 |
Brian and Greg many times mentioned, that Knebworth '86 footage is not in the archives of Queen Productions. All they have are small bits used in several documentaries. And I believe them, because it was filmed by DoRo crew, so DoRo must have it in their archives and Queen Productions probably don't have access to DoRo archives. |
| guild93 13.01.2011 23:06 |
I think the short clip in In My Defence is from the end of Now I'm Here because there is smoke on the stage (same as the screen shot) and all the songs afterwards can be ruled out for various reasons (e.g. Freddie had no shirt for the encore, a guitar around his neck for CLTCL etc). This is significant as it means (if I'm correct) the combined clips span the last 14 songs. Luke |
| pittrek 14.01.2011 00:38 |
That would mean that that they started to film earlier than I thought, which means that more of the concert could exist :-) EDIT : Do you mean this video link at cca 6:04 ? |
| guild93 14.01.2011 01:04 |
Yes exactly that bit .... though there is a lot of smoke in Miklos' clip on the early Magic years cuts and that is certinly not from Now I'm Here, I think that clip is from Tutti Frutti (reprise bit at the end), so I guess this clip could possibly be from Tutti Frutti too (hopefully not). |
| pittrek 14.01.2011 01:25 |
Yes, the bit Miklos posted is somewhere around "a wham bam boom" |
| Hangman_96 14.01.2011 13:29 |
Guys, it's not Knebworth. Just as I said you before it's from Budapest bit I forgot that it's not from TYMD, it's from NIH. Here at 5:15 link |
| pittrek 14.01.2011 14:53 |
Damed :-( I knew it's too nice to be true |
| on my way up 15.01.2011 04:47 |
Also, the WATC clip from the BBC documentary "Seven ages of rock". Have you guys thought about that one yet?? (haven't followed the discussion to be honest). |
| guild93 15.01.2011 04:50 |
on my way up wrote: Also, the WATC clip from the BBC documentary "Seven ages of rock". Have you guys thought about that one yet?? (haven't followed the discussion to be honest). youtube link? |
| pittrek 15.01.2011 05:37 |
I have no idea if it's on youtube, but there is indeed a clip of Freddie from We Are The Champions |
| pittrek 15.01.2011 05:47 |
OK I found it on YouTube It's very short, it starts about 8:45 |
| The Real Wizard 15.01.2011 12:55 |
Good catch. |
| Hangman_96 15.01.2011 13:11 |
This clip from WATC is also included on official compilation Rare Live. |
| guild93 15.01.2011 15:35 |
Lostman wrote: This clip from WATC is also included on official compilation Rare Live. Including the short close-up clip? (actually that one is from Budapest, just checked) |
| pittrek 15.01.2011 15:54 |
Which short close-up should be from Budapest ? If you're talking about the clip I posted, that one is 100% from Knebworth Park, even when the documentary cuts between various concerts, including Budapest |
| guild93 15.01.2011 16:00 |
I thought we were talking about the short bit at 8:55 for a second, but it's Budapest (the Knebworth clip is on Rare Live as mentioned by Lostman) |
| pittrek 15.01.2011 16:07 |
Now I understand, I was confused because I don't remember seeing that 8:45 bit in Rare Live :-) |
| Doga 15.01.2011 16:15 |
8.55 is budapest, but 8.46 it's knebworth, 100% sure, look at yellow lines in freddie's trousers, in budapest are red. It's the same camera that filmed ''world we created'' and the part of radio ga ga shown in rare live, counting this, plus the camera of the public, and the camera of freddie's close up of hammer to fall we have three diferent cameras that filmed knebworth that day, and parts of the footage didn't shown in big screen but included in documentaries and videoclips. I'm sure they have more footage. The concert was filmed. Maybe they don't want to release. It can be a lot of factors, like i said before for the fans was a incredible gig, maybe for Brian no, maybe forgot all about the concert. I read in Brian soapbox about hammersmith 79, a great concert and a dream for some fans, well, one day brian said he forget all about the gig, about the entire existence of the gig, if it was filmed (obiously yes), the performance of the band... all From magic tour, wembley is brian favorite, maybe all his thinks and effort is for wembley, and forgot about other gigs... maybe they are preparing something spectacular. In 1986/87 they didn't release Wembley, a lot of fans think Hey, whats happened here? In 1992 have a response. After Freddie's death they didn't release A Winter's Tale, again,a lot of fans think Hey, whats happened here? In 1996 they have a response. |
| emrabt 16.01.2011 09:24 |
Counting this, plus the camera of the public, and the camera of freddie's close up of hammer to fall we have three diferent cameras that filmed knebworth that day ============================== Video screen crew = 6 - 7 cameras, one for the drums, two to the left and right of the stage, 4 off stage: bottom left, bottom middle and bottom right, and one in the tent centre stage filming the whole thing. (None of this was recorded. any of these angles in good quality) Doro = 2 cameras one panning for audience reactions far from the stage, at the right (radio GAGA and ITTWWC), one bottom left of the stage next to the video crew, it swivels around to film the audience during radio GAGA and gets the close up stuff during god save the queen, Doro don’t seem to have anything set up and filmed until ITTWWC. ITV (anglian) news in the audience to the left, presumably 2 minutes of stuff was filmed, as is the managements policy. Man in the Audience with a home video camera. DoRo’s second Camera ISN’T the one at the bottom left of the stage for the Videoscreen, comparing the Proshot and screen footage you can see: 1.DoRos camera is higher, possibly on the stage itself 2. The angles are different, in the screen footage roger passes Freddie THEN john enters the frame, in Doro’s john walks into frame just before Roger gets level with Freddie. Doro (Roger’s level with Freddie and no John) link Video Screen: (Roger’s level with Freddie and No John) link Depending on what DoRo use to film with: Best case we have everything from ITTWWC - GSTQ filmed on two cameras Worst case we have the crowd with bits and pieces from ITTWWC onwards, and a second camera coming in later (hammer to fall) to film bits and pieces filming from the stage. |
| Freddie89 05.02.2011 20:30 |
Just found a small piece of footage, it looks like knebworth but i'm not completely sure. It's from 1:40-1:43 link What do you think? |
| pittrek 06.02.2011 04:51 |
Yes, that's the Miklos-sourced video mentioned earlier, it's (maybe) the end of Tutti Frutti |
| Gaabiizz 11.03.2012 12:35 |
Hopefully someday of the light Knebworth |