| Gregsynth 30.09.2010 18:13 |
Can anybody help me out on this? |
| strangefrontier 30.09.2010 19:02 |
Hi I have a vague recollection of it being Nov / Dec 90...will need to have a think. Check the link out below which dates it at 23.11.90. Hope this helps! Dean link |
| Gregsynth 30.09.2010 19:20 |
Jesus: It was filmed in November 1990 (I assume the blue shirt footage), then the performance footage was APRIL 1991! I thought Headlong came before Slightly mad! |
| rhyeking 30.09.2010 21:49 |
Okay, some detective work, hope this helps... According the Innuendo Electronic Press Kit, which features a very clear few frames on the clapboard from behind-the-scenes footage of the "Headlong" video shoot at Metropolis Studios, the date for that shooting was: 23/11/90 (which would be November 23rd, 1990) The video shoot would be complete no later than the end of November, as the EPK features almost the entire video and the EPK would have to be assembled in December for release to TV stations in January for the February 4th release of the album. It appears that shooting "Headlong" was the first thing the band did after finishing the album (probably as the "Innuendo" video was commissioned, but since that didn't require any actual performance work from them, they shot "Headlong" and the EPK interviews and behind-the-scenes material at Metropolis). "Innuendo" was released as a single on January 14, 1991, meaning the video (the various different cuts) was complete for this date, though probably by the end of December 1990. "Headlong" was released in the US on January 15, 1991, which probably means it was finished as well by the end of December (as noted, it appears almost in it's entirety on the EPK. However, there are one or two *minor* alternate cuts in the EPK "Headlong" footage, so it's likely they were editting the three ["Innuendo", "Headlong" and the EPK] over the course of the month of December). There's no footage from "Slightly Mad" or "Days Of Our Lives" so that probably means that they were shot after December 1990. |
| plumrach 01.10.2010 02:44 |
As far as i know IGSM was filmed around feb 91 and Tatdool was in May 91 i know headlong was filmed on 2 separate occasions though but i think whats said above is probably true |
| Marknow 01.10.2010 03:32 |
link The music video for Headlong was one of the final Queen videos shot with lead singer Freddie Mercury. The Headlong video clip heavily featured the group's lead singer, although it was actually shot before the I'm Going Slightly Mad video. The video showed the band in the studio performing the song (in a stage-like setup), as well as shots of the band generally fooling about and working in the studio. The version of the song in the video includes an extra short section after the second chorus not released in any audio format to date. The performance footage (Mercury wearing a yellow sweater) was shot in February 1991, while the other footage (Mercury wearing two different blue shirts) were shot in late 1990 at Metropolis Studios in London (The footage of Mercury wearing a blue shirt with a tie was shot in fall of 1990--notice his healthier appearance; the footage of Mercury wearing a blue shirt with a darker vest was shot in November 1990--with a slightly more gaunt appearance in his face and neck). The outside of Metropolis Studios is also shown at the beginning and the end of the video. This is also the last colour video of Freddie Mercury. The next one, I'm Going Slightly Mad, was recorded in black and white. |
| rhyeking 01.10.2010 07:50 |
Re: Wiki Entry That Feb. 1991 detail can not be correct because Freddie is seen wearing the yellow sweater in the EPK, in the "Headlong" Clip, which is basically the entire video intercut with interviews. I have the EPK and watched it before posting. |
| Gregsynth 01.10.2010 09:42 |
All I know, is that Freddie looks way worse in the yellow sweater than the Blue shirts--leading me to believe that there was two different time frames for that video! |
| LordOfAllDarkness 01.10.2010 13:18 |
I once read somewhere that Freddie in blue shirt was from September 1990 while Freddie in yellow sweater was from February 1991 |
| Jazz 78 02.10.2010 11:44 |
November 23, 1990. Almost to the day of Freddie's passing. If you look really close to the video you can see in one shot the clapboard and when frozen it states the date of the shoot. |
| Gregsynth 02.10.2010 12:49 |
Yeah, that's the blue shirt footage! I'm trying to figure out when the Yellow shirt footage was filmed! |
| rhyeking 03.10.2010 14:17 |
Yellow shirt footage was filmed no later than the end of November. It is NOT possible for it to have been shot in February 1991. The "Headlong" video appears more or less fully editted in the EPK, including the yellow shirt/sweater footage. From the look of ALL the behind the scenes footage, it appears that it was shot over no more than a couple of days, simultaneous to the shooting of some of the EPK interviews. One of those dates was Nov. 23rd, 1990. Throughout the EPK, you see behind the scenes shots of: The band in the mixing booth/control room (wearing multiple outfits, including Freddie in the blue shirt and tie, and Brian in both the magenta suit AND the Bart Simpson t-shirt). Though the window of the booth during this footage, you see into the studio, the set up (drum kit, spot lights, hazer, etc ) for the "performance" part of the video (where Freddie wears the yellow shirt) Brian playing/miming the extended guitar bit at the top of the steps with the spotlights around him. The band piled up on the shelf for the "hoop-diddy-diddy" (again, the band is dressed differently). So, despite Freddie's appearance, the timeline can NOT lie: The EPK, "Innuendo" video and "Headlong" video HAD to be completed by the end of December, 1990. The DoRo boys shot the "Headlong" video and the EPK at the same time, while animators were working on the "Innuendo" video. "Innuendo" single and video were released in the UK January 14th, 1991. "Headlong" single and video were released in the US January 15th, 1991. The Electronic Press Kit was issued in the early-to-middle of January in order to promote those two singles AND the forthcoming Innuendo album. The production stamp at the beginning of the EPK says 1991, referring to the year of issue, but gives no other calendar detail (you don't put the date it was recorded, you stamp it with the date of release). Innuendo (album) was released February 4th, 1991 in the UK (Feb. 5th in the US). (You would NOT issue an EPK after this point. An EPK is part of an advance promotional package.) I don't know where the February 1991 "yellow shirt" date came from originally, but it appears by all available visual evidence to be wrong. |
| Gregsynth 03.10.2010 14:28 |
link Well on this link, it gives 11/23/1990 as a date, then it gives an APRIL 1991 date???! |
| rhyeking 03.10.2010 15:37 |
Interesting site, but he doesn't name his sources. All of my conclusions above are based on appears clearly in the EPK cross-referenced with the known release dates. I don't think I was stretching plausibility anywhere in my assessment. If there's a margin for error in my examination, it's at most a difference of a week to 10 days in terms of the recording of the EPK, "Headlong" and "Innuendo" footage. The release dates are written in stone and a matter of record. Certainly alternate cuts appear of different videos, but they all use the same original footage (at least the videos we're all discussing here do). Unless new concrete information comes to light, I hold to my previous conclusion: "Headlong" video was shot at the end of Nov. '90 (MAYBE into earlier December, but I doubt it, given the timeline of releases in Jan. and Feb.). It appears DoRo edited the "Headlong" and "Innuendo" footage into, at least, early cuts of the videos before inserting those nearly (or fully) completed into the EPK. |
| Gregsynth 04.10.2010 00:39 |
Well why does Freddie look worse in the Yellow sweater? |
| rhyeking 04.10.2010 02:17 |
I don't know why Freddie looks the way he does, but my guess is he had good days and bad days. Maybe... |
| Double-U 04.10.2010 02:41 |
or maybe different make up or spot light. such things can change a look-a-like a lot. regards W. |
| Gregsynth 04.10.2010 02:52 |
Here's what's stumping me: The blue shirt footage is definitely from 11/23/1990 (I saw the date during the making of Headlong), yet he looks healthier and not as "dead" in the face--compared with the yellow sweater footage. I almost want to say that the yellow sweater was filmed a bit later, but then that contradicts RhyeKing's detective work. BOB?!?! LOL |
| john bodega 04.10.2010 05:57 |
I think the majority of the shots were taken before Freddie passed. |
| e-man 04.10.2010 06:20 |
in a rockline interview around the time of the US release of Innuendo, brian and roger said freddie was back in london working on a video. (and I think he mentiones "headlong"). of course, it could simply mean he (fred) was overseeing the editing. or, also likely, it might be a lie to explain why fred wasn't doing interviews |
| rhyeking 04.10.2010 10:02 |
Actually, a minor correction to my earlier assessment (and more concrete detail). The EPK DOES have the date of 01/01/91 (January 1st, 1991) Here's what the title stamp says: QUEEN "EPK '91" directed by DoRo "The Torpedo Twins" RUDI DOLENZAL HANNES ROSSACHER Length: 20 min 01/01/91 DoRo Productions Vienna/Austria So, as noted earlier, the yellow shirt footage was filmed no later than that date. However, in order to have time to shot the "Headlong" and EPK footage and then edit both together (finishing [mostly or entirely] "Headlong" first then putting that editted footage into the EPK) the shooting must have been end of Nov, possibly into very early Dec. It now appears absolutely impossible for any of the "Headlong" video to have been shot in February or April, 1991. (Why I didn't see this date before: this white on black card goes by quickly [6 seconds] and the date is small above the gigantic DoRo logo. Plus, to the left of this is a giant clock graphic counting in. So, yeah, I just missed it the first time I watched it) |
| cmsdrums 07.10.2010 02:50 |
Ah, but can we trust any dates that DoRo put on anything?!! :-) |
| rhyeking 07.10.2010 09:02 |
They have no reason to lie. This information comes from a release not intended for public consumption, but as an internal record of this release. There's no reason not to trust it. This is a piece of information from the period, with specific detail, made for a specific purpose, which it carries out accurately. This is especially true when compared to other details previously discussed. |
| cmsdrums 07.10.2010 10:32 |
I know rhyeking - I was just kidding! :-) |
| rhyeking 07.10.2010 11:44 |
:-) I guessed you were joking, but someone else reading may think there's reason for doubt. I didn't want to add to the confusion. I have to say, for a detail I never gave any real thought to ("When was the video for Headlong shot?"), I've had a lot of fun 'investigating' it. I also enjoy discovering a point of "conventional wisdom" that turns out to be blantantly wrong, in this case the widely quoted Febraury and April dates. Thanks for the thread, Greg. |
| John.Simon 04.02.2012 05:13 |
Headlong Recorded:November-December 1990 in yellow sweater march-april 1991 |
| John.Simon 08.02.2012 10:34 |
Some scenes in the recording studio was filmed in November 1990 and another scene in December 1990 Freddie and wore the yellow jersey in either March or April 1991 |
| John.Simon 11.02.2012 10:14 |
The video was originally filmed Headlong in November 1990, and some scenes in December 1990 and Freddie had a yellow sweater in April 1991 by Brian May, but he also said that the video shot in January 1991 |
| inu-liger 11.02.2012 17:29 |
STOP SPREADING FALSE INFO, PLEASE! The single and video for "Headlong" were out WELL before April 1991, and you are a bloody liar |
| Djdownsy 12.02.2012 11:06 |
Plus, why can his lies not be posted into just one post? |
| Hangman_96 12.02.2012 11:11 |
John.Simon wrote: The video was originally filmed Headlong in November 1990, and some scenes in December 1990 and Freddie had a yellow sweater in April 1991 by Brian May, but he also said that the video shot in January 1991 You are an idiot. The video shooting had already been finished by January 1991. |
| John.Simon 20.02.2012 10:47 |
The clip was filmed in the autumn of 1990, Freddie had a yellow sweater in January 1991 under Queenpedia. These scenes, as members sitting at the recording studio was supposedly recorded in September or October 1990. |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 20.02.2012 17:47 |
In the Christmas fanclub magazine from 1990 (Freddie's last letter), He stated that they were busy recording the video for Headlong which featured the band 'Performing in Full Swing', which Im guessing doesn't mean sitting around in a studio. Also, in the Spring edition of the fan club magazine, Johns letter states that they were busy filming the video for IGSM, in that issue (Letter dated Feb....I remember this cos I recieved it around my birthday) there is a picture from the 'Headlong' shoot with Freddie wearing the aforementioned yellow jumper and a shot from the Shelves. Pointless topic to argue about. |
| john bodega 20.02.2012 18:16 |
John Simon, you are a stupid cunt. |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 21.02.2012 11:01 |
We need a Like button. |
| inu-liger 22.02.2012 04:16 |
Brian_Mays_Wig wrote: We need a Like button. +1 |
| hachiman 14.05.2014 10:41 |
Sorry for bumping but the yellow sweater one filmed on new year's day then? |
| Holly2003 14.05.2014 14:19 |
John Simon is now a Wikipedia editor. His latest claims are that The Two Ronnies were conjoined twins, Rupert the Bear was a sasquatch, the moon is made of Spaniards, and that hiccups are caused by black holes. |
| hachiman 15.05.2014 10:25 |
And mars is made of moon sand? |
| JohnH 15.05.2014 16:08 |
And Coventry was bombed by the Gerbils. |
| dragonfly.trumpeter 61319 25.05.2014 17:52 |
inu-liger "hopefully we can get this garbage removed" Well the United States of Government are working on this issue, and Canary Wharf and in particular, 8, Canada Square E14 is the first target but there are many others in Zone 2 and Zone 1 of London. Graham David Bruton |
| BradMay 29.07.2014 17:46 |
So, November '90 was the Blue sweater footage, but the "performance" footage was from April '91, that's what loads and loads of sites tell me, which i DON'T believe, 1 month later (30th of may '91) he did Days Of Our LIves and he looked like he could fall over at any moment.. So i have my doubts. |
| hachiman 30.07.2014 17:05 |
The performance footage is prob from dec 1990. I only think so because of this letter Freddie wrote to how fans. Supposed to be his last letter to them before he died. link |
| The Real Wizard 30.07.2014 18:08 |
^ good detective work there. |
| musicland munich 30.07.2014 23:18 |
^ yes, good job...some small doubts left ( maybe Freddie talks about the editing or cutting process) Hi Everybody- We (the band) have just put the finishing touches to our new album “INNUENDO.” Hope everybody is as pleased as I am with the end result We have also completed a video for the track “Headlong” where the band are seen performing in full swing! be realeased in the New Year- Have lots of fun! Merry Xmas - and a Fab New Year Love, Freddie x |
| maxpower 31.07.2014 05:50 |
maybe now this can put to bed once & for all. Freddie wrote the damn fan club letter, he was there & should know |
| RafaelS 31.07.2014 08:52 |
I don't know who is the fucking moron who says on the web that the yellow sweater was shot in April 1991 but that sucker deserves a punch in the face. On which ground does he bases his allegations? Just because the video was released in may in the UK some parts of the video would have been filmed in April? Freddie had a beard in the video. For Slightly Mad and TATDOOL he didn't and both videos are in black and white. It should ring a bell about the chronology of the videos...Some people are just dumb. |
| Kuijpy 01.08.2014 03:56 |
xx-11-1990 (Innuendo) 23-11-1990 (Headlong Blue) xx-01-1991 (Headlong Yellow) 15-02-1991 (Slightly Mad) 30-05-1991 (Days of Our Lives) 06-06-1991 (Days of Our Lives - Brian footage) xx-10-1991 (the Show must go on) |
| GERRYISADICK 01.08.2014 05:10 |
Kujipy his decline was that quick? He looked better in headlong then in days of our lives I don't doubt you information but did he decline that quick? |
| RafaelS 01.08.2014 05:32 |
Kuijpy wrote: xx-11-1990 (Innuendo) 23-11-1990 (Headlong Blue) xx-01-1991 (Headlong Yellow) 15-02-1991 (Slightly Mad) 30-05-1991 (Days of Our Lives) 06-06-1991 (Days of Our Lives - Brian footage) xx-10-1991 (the Show must go on)You're a moron. |
| hachiman 02.08.2014 10:46 |
There's a photo from april 1991 that showed Freddie having a stubble. If you don't know what photo I mean, here. link |
| Bul 27.02.2015 18:42 |
"Headlong" is a very simple video. I'm sure video was shot in one day or not more than two days in a row. Analyzing other clips, the montage was done in about a week, in early December, the clip was ready, anyway |
| Biggus Dickus 28.02.2015 00:24 |
I seem to remember reading that Headlong was filmed one year before his death, to the day. I'm afraid I can't remember the source. |
| Bul 28.02.2015 06:05 |
Clip 'Radio Ga Ga" was shot over 2 days (22-23.11.1983), but remember the scale of the shootings compared to "Headlong", "Back Chat" was shot in one day, "Princes Of The Universe" in one day. No sense to delay the shooting of "Headlong". My verdict - it was all filmed in one day, on the same day the musicians gave an interview Unless there is information that Freddy became worse, and the shooting was postponed to another day?! |
| The Real Wizard 28.02.2015 09:43 |
Kuijpy wrote: xx-01-1991 (Headlong Yellow)If the Innuendo press kit is dated January 1, 1991, this is impossible. |
| The Real Wizard 28.02.2015 09:44 |
Bullub wrote: Clip 'Radio Ga Ga" was shot over 2 days (22-23.11.1983)Are you sure you've got that right? I've read the notes taken by someone who attended both days, and he says it was Nov 23 and 24. |
| Bul 28.02.2015 16:19 |
I'm sure |
| The Real Wizard 28.02.2015 21:45 |
Bullub wrote: I'm sureHA !! I'm sure that settles it. I wish all discrepancies here could be solved that easily. Thanks man. Are those your own photos, or screenshots of the promo rushes? |
| Nitroboy 01.03.2015 04:19 |
Those look like they're from the bonus video from Days Of Our Lives :) |
| Bul 01.03.2015 08:19 |
Yes, Days Of Our Lives) |
| Mrmarioanonym 01.03.2015 14:44 |
fascinating. |
| Sunshine 08.03.2015 03:10 |
Very interesting, especially Freddie's letter. I am still amazed that people call each other names and threatening each other on a forum where they the share the information of a band they all love and have been doing that since the early 2000's, that's when I joined. That is just as interesting. |
| hachiman 29.11.2015 08:42 |
They talk about the Headlong video from a Feb 1991 interview so it looks like it never aired in January. link BOB: Now I hear raves about the video for "Innuendo." There is no video for "Headlong," is there? BRIAN: There is, but we're still messing with it. Yes, it's hiding away somewhere. ROGER: Actually, the "Headlong" video is basically a performance video, which is a more straight forward animal than the "Innuendo" video, which is a very involved state-of-the-art video. BOB: Until the video for "Headlong" is available, let's listen to it the old fashioned way, on the radio on Rockline, this is Queen: |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 03.12.2015 09:06 |
See picture attached.... there is your definitve date... |
| TheAdmiester 03.12.2015 12:14 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: See picture attached.... there is your definitve date...And if you want even more proof, here's that very same clapperboard (23/11/90 JUST visible) in a picture where Freddie is pretty clearly wearing the blue shirt under that jacket thing. link If I remember right, it's the blue shirt footage that people suspected as being from 1991? |
| hachiman 04.12.2015 09:24 |
TheAdmiester wrote:No, it was the yellow sweatshirt one people thought was or still think is from 1991. We're pretty sure both the ones where Freddie is wearing the blue shirt with and without the best is from 1990.Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: See picture attached.... there is your definitve date...And if you want even more proof, here's that very same clapperboard (23/11/90 JUST visible) in a picture where Freddie is pretty clearly wearing the blue shirt under that jacket thing. link If I remember right, it's the blue shirt footage that people suspected as being from 1991? |
| Sebastian 21.12.2015 02:41 |
Dunno if it's already been mentioned, but here's Fred's handwritten Xmas letter to the Fan Club: |
