rhyeking 06.08.2009 15:56 |
Yeah, yeah, we all know North American fans have little interest in this because we have following already: i) Classic Queen ii) Greatest Hits (red) iii) Platinum Collection (UK Hits I, II & III) iv) Greatest Hits: We Will Rock You Edition v) Stone Cold Classic vi) The A - Z of Queen, Vol. 1 Not to mention older Hits collections which are out of print and the collections from other countries (Jewels I & II, etc.). I don't include Queen Rocks on that list because it's deliberately not a hits collection. I'm getting away from point here, which is this: this new collection appears to be directed at the non-US market. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the UK Hits I, II and III the only collections available in there? If so, that means Queen Productions seems to want to make a single disc Hits CD available for casual fans there. That being said, I've been watching as the track listing has been revealed and it looks like QP have selected tracks which were UK Top 10 singles. According to http://www.pcpki.com/queen/singles.html here are the singles and their Top 10 chart positions: Revealed tracks: i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 So, remaining Top 10 UK singles are as follows: The Seven Seas Of Rhye UK #10 Killer Queen UK #2 Bohemian Rhapsody UK #1 Sombody To Love UK #2 Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 Flash UK #10 I Want To Break Free UK #3 It's A Hard Life UK #6 Breakthru UK #7 Innuendo UK #1 These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 (AA-side with the 1991 re-issue of "Rhapsody") Heaven For Everyone UK #2 A Winter's Tale UK #6 Let Me Live UK #9 So, that leaves 14 Top 10 singles from the UK. QP has already said there will only be 20 tracks, so only 10 of the remaining 14 can make it on. If they plan to max out the 80 minutes of a CD (which they'll have to, squeezing them all on) and not edit any of the tracks, chart position alone won't be enough to guarantee inclusion (the two #10 tracks, "Rhye" and "Flash" are the shortest available) My guesses, in no particular order are: Somebody To Love I Want To Break Free (Single Version) Heaven For Everyone (Single Version) The Seven Seas Of Rhye Killer Queen It's A Hard Life Breakthru Innuendo Bohemian Rhapsody. |
onevsion 06.08.2009 16:53 |
Who cares anyway? |
rhyeking 06.08.2009 17:11 |
Oh, sorry. I forgot that Serious Discussions are based soley on the merit of popularity. Did you actually read my post or did you dismiss it out of hand because it's about a release you don't care for? Dude, if you don't care about a subject, why bother replying? |
bhm0129ad 06.08.2009 17:46 |
rhyeking wrote: Oh, sorry. I forgot that Serious Discussions are based soley on the merit of popularity. Did you actually read my post or did you dismiss it out of hand because it's about a release you don't care for? Dude, if you don't care about a subject, why bother replying? You have been here for over a hundred posts now, surely you must have worked out by now that this site is a breeding ground for trolls, and for every serious post there are at least five posts that ridicule, piss-take, insult, contradict (even if OP was fact), dismiss, nullify, laugh at, humiliate or just plain belittle them? Don't take it personally, if someone else wants to feel big by doing any of that to someone else then just let them have their moment. By all means reply, but to ask WHY? is just heading toward frustration. |
rhyeking 06.08.2009 17:55 |
You're totally right, I shouldn't let dumbasses get to me. Every now and then, though, you just feel the need to swat at the mosquitos even though they'll never entirely go away. |
Bohardy 06.08.2009 18:51 |
Replace Breakthru', IAHL and Innuendo with DSMN, TATDOOL, and WWTLF, add in TSMGO (you only guessed 9 of the remaining 10) and you've got it rhyeking. You've also got at least one in the right order... |
rhyeking 06.08.2009 19:07 |
"Replace Breakthru', IAHL and Innuendo with TATDOOL, WWTLF and TSMGO and you've got it rhyeking." Maybe... We won't know until it's all over, but I hold to my theory of Top 10 UK hits making the cut. You'll notice I don't include "Bicycle Race" and "Fat Bottomed Girls," which peaked at #11. For the record... These Are The Days Of Our Lives was #1 (so you might well be right on that one). Who Wants To Love Forever was #24 The Show Must Go On was #16 We might both be wrong and my theory might get shot down by the inclusion of "Body Language," haha. (For the record, BL was #25). Oh, and my 10th pick was "Flash," which makes the Top 10 (at #10) and is short, so longer songs like "Innuendo" can fit. |
bhm0129ad 06.08.2009 19:41 |
rhyeking wrote: You're totally right, I shouldn't let dumbasses get to me. Every now and then, though, you just feel the need to swat at the mosquitos even though they'll never entirely go away. I like that analogy muchly |
Bohardy 06.08.2009 21:39 |
rhyeking wrote: "Replace Breakthru', IAHL and Innuendo with TATDOOL, WWTLF and TSMGO and you've got it rhyeking." Maybe... We won't know until it's all over, but I hold to my theory of Top 10 UK hits making the cut. You'll notice I don't include "Bicycle Race" and "Fat Bottomed Girls," which peaked at #11. For the record... These Are The Days Of Our Lives was #1 (so you might well be right on that one). Who Wants To Love Forever was #24 The Show Must Go On was #16 We might both be wrong and my theory might get shot down by the inclusion of "Body Language," haha. (For the record, BL was #25). Oh, and my 10th pick was "Flash," which makes the Top 10 (at #10) and is short, so longer songs like "Innuendo" can fit. But trust me, I'm right. I'd even give you the order if it didn't compromise the competition. |
rhyeking 06.08.2009 22:07 |
Insider information? Interesting! |
Saint Jiub 06.08.2009 23:10 |
I predict that It's a Hard Life (#6) and Breakthru (#7) are left on the cutting room floor ... and the following songs make the cut: Killer Queen UK #2 Bohemian Rhapsody UK #1 Sombody To Love UK #2 I Want To Break Free UK #3 Innuendo UK #1 (but heavily edited and butchered) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 (AA-side with the 1991 re-issue of "Rhapsody") Heaven For Everyone UK #2 A Winter's Tale UK #6 and ... The Show Must Go On Not UK top 10 (aka Brian pouts) C-lebrity Did it even chart? (aka QPR is "essential") |
Saint Jiub 06.08.2009 23:14 |
If WWtLF somehow makes the cut, then Roger seriously needs to grow some gonads. |
rhyeking 06.08.2009 23:29 |
"C-lebrity" isn't on the list of tracks fans can choose from. Actually, there are no tracks from Queen and The Cosmos Rocks, so "Keep Yourself Alive" and "Liar" (neither of which charted) don't get a shot either. |
Saint Jiub 07.08.2009 00:29 |
rhyeking wrote: "C-lebrity" isn't on the list of tracks fans can choose from. Actually, there are no tracks from Queen and The Cosmos Rocks, so "Keep Yourself Alive" and "Liar" (neither of which charted) don't get a shot either. Although I have been proven wrong .. I am glad to hear that C-lebrity won't be included. then perhaps IaHL (#6) makes the cut? |
Rick 07.08.2009 04:12 |
It would have been a nice idea adding some obscure songs like Fairy Fellers, Ogre Battle, White Queen etc. to this compilation. So, the idea of 'absolute greatest' not only refers to sales figures, but also to quality. Might be a handy trick to get more people into Queen. |
believe in yourself 45455 07.08.2009 05:52 |
I like C-lebrity. It's one of Queen's heaviest songs and has some great guitar playing. Maybe it will appear on the Queen+Paul Rodgers anthology. Together with some demo's and unreleased stuff... It shouldn't be on the cd because it's a Queen+ song. For the same reason Somebody To Love by Queen+George Michael shouldn't be on it. The list has also a second version of The Show Must Go On. I can't see what version, but I suppose it's Queen+Elton John. The Bejart-version wasn't even a single. The FM-tribute version was only a b-side of an EJ single. Overall, the tracklist and song order of Ultimate Greatest is irrelivant to me. It's only a collection of Queen songs in a different order. A attempt to reach a new public. The contest is nice because there are cool prices to win |
onevsion 07.08.2009 06:13 |
rhyeking wrote: Oh, sorry. I forgot that Serious Discussions are based soley on the merit of popularity. Did you actually read my post or did you dismiss it out of hand because it's about a release you don't care for? Dude, if you don't care about a subject, why bother replying? Yes I actually read your post. Why reply? To show I don't like ANOTHER shitty Queen release. |
pittrek 07.08.2009 08:55 |
1) We Will Rock You (slow / fast BBC version) 2) Tie Your Mother Down (Wembley 86 version) 3) I Want It All (Queen Rocks remix) 4) Keep Yourself Alive (demo) 5) White Queen (BBC version) 6) Killer Queen 7) Bohemian Rhapsody 8) Love Of My Life (Rock In Rio version) 9) Somebody To Love 10) Spread Your Wings (BBC version) 11) Mustapha 12) Another One Bites The Dust 13) Under Pressure (Spencer mix) 14) Radio Ga Ga (US single edit) 15) I Want To Break Free (live at Knebworth Park) 16) Who Wants To Live Forever (Highlander version) 17) Innuendo 18) I Was Born To Love You 19) The Show Must Go On 20) We Are The Champions give me something like this and I'm gonna buy it, otherwise it's another Queen release which I'm gonna ignore |
timl 07.08.2009 10:32 |
anysort of reason why anyone would one discuss yet another great release from QP its just gna be same old songs we know etc just another way to make us spend money on stuff we allready have. i will only buy this only to add to my collection sorry for wasting your time just thought i put my message across |
Raf 07.08.2009 10:44 |
pittrek wrote: 1) We Will Rock You (slow / fast BBC version) 2) Tie Your Mother Down (Wembley 86 version) 3) I Want It All (Queen Rocks remix) 4) Keep Yourself Alive (demo) 5) White Queen (BBC version) 6) Killer Queen 7) Bohemian Rhapsody 8) Love Of My Life (Rock In Rio version) 9) Somebody To Love 10) Spread Your Wings (BBC version) 11) Mustapha 12) Another One Bites The Dust 13) Under Pressure (Spencer mix) 14) Radio Ga Ga (US single edit) 15) I Want To Break Free (live at Knebworth Park) 16) Who Wants To Live Forever (Highlander version) 17) Innuendo 18) I Was Born To Love You 19) The Show Must Go On 20) We Are The Champions give me something like this and I'm gonna buy it, otherwise it's another Queen release which I'm gonna ignore1) New track 2) New track 3) New track 4) New track 5) New track 6) New track 7) Old track reworked 8) New track 9) New track 10) New track 11) New track 12) New track Give something like this and I'm gonna buy it. ;) The last Queen release I bought (and first one since Live At The Bowl) was The Cosmos Rocks, and that (along with other concerts from tours which haven't had a DVD release yet) is the kind of thing I'd expect from a band known for their amazing creativity. New songs, new experiments, rather than years and years of the same old crap. |
bhm0129ad 07.08.2009 10:51 |
As I have said in another thread, too many people are whinging for no good reason about this release. If I had a friend or relative THat I wanted to get into Queen, then right now (in the UK) I would be hard pressed to know which disc(s) to buy. I would not want to buy all three, or even two GH discs, and buying one would be a tiugh choice because of the great songs that will be untouched. The idea of a worldwide release of a single disc 'best of' is gonna be good for that kind of situation. Why do so many people here seem to see it as some kind of personal insult to them? Just sit and wait for your 'specialist' products and in the mean time, stop spitting out your dummies, life and QPL does not revolve around you or me. In the last year, there have been a numbe of releases, a new album, a live album/dvd, sngles collections, re-issued LPs, and now this is on it's way, as is The 75 concert. What the hell do you people want? Blood? |
rhyeking 07.08.2009 11:00 |
I originally had a longer post here, but I just cut it down because the above post said it so eloquently. Cheers! |
bhm0129ad 07.08.2009 11:04 |
rhyeking wrote:I'm willing to bet a lot of fans got into Queen by way of a Hits-type release (for me it was Classic Queen). So pairing down the 3-disc Platinum Collection to a 1 disc Absolute Hits CD makes sense when you look at it like that. My point exactly. Three GH discs is not as accessable to 'new' potential fans and most countries do not have the multiple releases the US and Japan have. |
Darren1977 07.08.2009 12:12 |
Sorry guys, another pointless discussion. Let's all wait and see what it contains when it's released and we can all make up our minds whether or not we want to buy it. There will also be four volumes of the Singles Collection released by then as well. QP would want to cop on a small fucking bit. There is a recesssion on and the last thing the public want is yet another compilation of tracks that they have already on countless formats. Where are all the so called archive releases? |
onevsion 07.08.2009 12:17 |
Darren1977 wrote: Sorry guys, another pointless discussion. Let's all wait and see what it contains when it's released and we can all make up our minds whether or not we want to buy it. There will also be four volumes of the Singles Collection released by then as well. QP would want to cop on a small fucking bit. There is a recesssion on and the last thing the public want is yet another compilation of tracks that they have already on countless formats. Where are all the so called archive releases? Well said. |
rhyeking 07.08.2009 12:42 |
Ducksoup wrote:Darren1977 wrote: Sorry guys, another pointless discussion. Let's all wait and see what it contains when it's released and we can all make up our minds whether or not we want to buy it. There will also be four volumes of the Singles Collection released by then as well. QP would want to cop on a small fucking bit. There is a recesssion on and the last thing the public want is yet another compilation of tracks that they have already on countless formats. Where are all the so called archive releases?Well said. Let's stay on topic here, folks, we've covered *why* QP is putting this out. It's happening whether you want to it or not. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I started the thread to talk about what Hits will be on it and why I think so. Anyone not interested in this discussion take their whining for new releases to this new thread: http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1194299.html |
rhyeking 07.08.2009 14:02 |
Okay, an update! Track 11 is "Don't Stop Me Now,' which hit UK Top at #9 So, we've got: i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 I'll be the first to admit that I didn't guess DSMN would make it. |
believe in yourself 45455 07.08.2009 14:46 |
Track 20 will be Bohemian Rhapsody. The prize to win is Greatest Hits I, II and III on CD |
rhyeking 07.08.2009 14:57 |
Bohemian Rhapsody as track 20 is my guess as well. |
Penetration_Guru 08.08.2009 17:29 |
bhm0129ad wrote: As I have said in another thread, too many people are whinging for no good reason about this release. If I had a friend or relative THat I wanted to get into Queen, then right now (in the UK) I would be hard pressed to know which disc(s) to buy. I would not want to buy all three, or even two GH discs, and buying one would be a tiugh choice because of the great songs that will be untouched. Firstly, if you wanted to get a friend into Queen, you'd burn a CD. Secondly, you'd buy the Platinum Collection for half what this would sell for. |
PauloPanucci 08.08.2009 18:02 |
rhyeking wrote: Bohemian Rhapsody as track 20 is my guess as well. yeah... BohRhap stay good with 20 place on disc!! |
bhm0129ad 08.08.2009 19:00 |
Penetration_Guru wrote:bhm0129ad wrote: As I have said in another thread, too many people are whinging for no good reason about this release. If I had a friend or relative THat I wanted to get into Queen, then right now (in the UK) I would be hard pressed to know which disc(s) to buy. I would not want to buy all three, or even two GH discs, and buying one would be a tiugh choice because of the great songs that will be untouched.Firstly, if you wanted to get a friend into Queen, you'd burn a CD. Secondly, you'd buy the Platinum Collection for half what this would sell for. Fair points, but as a 'gift' (it will be out in time for Christmas) a burned disc is hardly a nice one to give. Yeah, if it is to give to your best mate but if you want to give it you a nephew or something as a gift, then a proper cd,with packaging is always gonna be better. I realise that the Platinum collection is often cheaper too, but the point here is that it is ONE disc, not three. It would be giving them too much, and besides, SOME of the choices on GH3 don't really show the best of Queen - Elton Wrong singing TSMGO? That would put me OFF as a first time listener LOL. I was only pointing out that there IS a good point to the new collection, and just because you or I may not be willing to buy it that does not make it so completely lacking in value. |
Holly2003 09.08.2009 05:17 |
bhm0129ad wrote:Penetration_Guru wrote:Fair points, but as a 'gift' (it will be out in time for Christmas) a burned disc is hardly a nice one to give. Yeah, if it is to give to your best mate but if you want to give it you a nephew or something as a gift, then a proper cd,with packaging is always gonna be better. I realise that the Platinum collection is often cheaper too, but the point here is that it is ONE disc, not three. It would be giving them too much, and besides, SOME of the choices on GH3 don't really show the best of Queen - Elton Wrong singing TSMGO? That would put me OFF as a first time listener LOL. I was only pointing out that there IS a good point to the new collection, and just because you or I may not be willing to buy it that does not make it so completely lacking in value.bhm0129ad wrote: As I have said in another thread, too many people are whinging for no good reason about this release. If I had a friend or relative THat I wanted to get into Queen, then right now (in the UK) I would be hard pressed to know which disc(s) to buy. I would not want to buy all three, or even two GH discs, and buying one would be a tiugh choice because of the great songs that will be untouched.Firstly, if you wanted to get a friend into Queen, you'd burn a CD. Secondly, you'd buy the Platinum Collection for half what this would sell for. lol! If you can't get Queen fans to buy a Queen product then your marketing strategy is seriously flawed! |
Darren1977 09.08.2009 07:07 |
To be perfectly honest i really don't give a fuck what the "potential" track listing is. Why all this bullshit discussion? It;s going to be the same old favourites remastered for the hundreth time by Justin and co. |
rhyeking 09.08.2009 21:06 |
Not every Queen release is directed at Queen fans. When I bought Classic Queen, I already knew three songs on it, just because they were around (on the radio or whatever). "Bohemian Rhapsody" was riding high via Wayne's World. It was because I liked that song, not knowing anything about Queen, that I looked for a good collection to see if their other stuff was decent. Classic Queen was just out and I looked at the sleeve. Yep, there was "Rhapsody," but there were also some other songs I'd heard of. "One Vision" I knew from the Iron Eagle Soundtrack. "Radio Ga Ga" I remembered from my youth, just because of the title. So, I figured I know there are some good songs on this, I'll take a chance. That was the collection that made me fall in love with Queen and start seeking our the albums. Traditionally, any artist's collection of "Hits," "Best Of," or whatever-you-want-to-call-it are geared to get new listeners in by providing the most commercial material. I don't buy every album of every artist or band for whom I bought a Hits collection. Maybe I'll only buy what is considered their best album. Artists KNOW fans may not be interested in a "Hits" CD, because they likely have all those songs. They want more, new fans. The Platinum Collection is, as someone previously pointed out, 3 discs and 3.5 hours of music. Would I have invested that kind of time into the band at that early stage in my learning about them? Doubtful. I bought Classic Queen in 1993. There were no MP3s, no internet to look up bands. This was the age of Alternative Music. No one was listening to what my peers considered "old fogie" music. For them, it was Nirvana, Pearl Jam and that stuff. These days, the pendulum has swung in the other direction. I teach at a high school, I talk to the students. Thankfully, Classic Rock is back in as a popular branch of music, but for them, it's now one of hundreds of choices. They can download any song they wish and find it hard to identify with music when the selections seem limitless. There is also an unexpected push with some teenagers and twenty-somethings to go back to vinyl and CDs, to have a physical product that sounds good (rather than a low-quality MP3 off Limewire or whatever). I lend them my CDs and vice versa. They keep me current with good music and I try to give them an education on Zeppelin, Bowie, Reed, Rush, The Who and other bands. Anyway, the release is coming out and I actually sort of enjoy, in a small way, guessing what the next track will be. Some might think it's pointless (the release AND this discussion) and they aren't wrong (about the discussion), but it boggles my mind that they care so much that feel they need to comment on it. If the subject doesn't interest you, find one that does. Why are you wasting your time here? |
steven 35638 09.08.2009 23:13 |
rhyeking wrote: Not every Queen release is directed at Queen fans. When I bought Classic Queen, I already knew three songs on it, just because they were around (on the radio or whatever). "Bohemian Rhapsody" was riding high via Wayne's World. It was because I liked that song, not knowing anything about Queen, that I looked for a good collection to see if their other stuff was decent. Classic Queen was just out and I looked at the sleeve. Yep, there was "Rhapsody," but there were also some other songs I'd heard of. "One Vision" I knew from the Iron Eagle Soundtrack. "Radio Ga Ga" I remembered from my youth, just because of the title. So, I figured I know there are some good songs on this, I'll take a chance. That was the collection that made me fall in love with Queen and start seeking our the albums. Traditionally, any artist's collection of "Hits," "Best Of," or whatever-you-want-to-call-it are geared to get new listeners in by providing the most commercial material. I don't buy every album of every artist or band for whom I bought a Hits collection. Maybe I'll only buy what is considered their best album. Artists KNOW fans may not be interested in a "Hits" CD, because they likely have all those songs. They want more, new fans. The Platinum Collection is, as someone previously pointed out, 3 discs and 3.5 hours of music. Would I have invested that kind of time into the band at that early stage in my learning about them? Doubtful. I bought Classic Queen in 1993. There were no MP3s, no internet to look up bands. This was the age of Alternative Music. No one was listening to what my peers considered "old fogie" music. For them, it was Nirvana, Pearl Jam and that stuff. These days, the pendulum has swung in the other direction. I teach at a high school, I talk to the students. Thankfully, Classic Rock is back in as a popular branch of music, but for them, it's now one of hundreds of choices. They can download any song they wish and find it hard to identify with music when the selections seem limitless. There is also an unexpected push with some teenagers and twenty-somethings to go back to vinyl and CDs, to have a physical product that sounds good (rather than a low-quality MP3 off Limewire or whatever). I lend them my CDs and vice versa. They keep me current with good music and I try to give them an education on Zeppelin, Bowie, Reed, Rush, The Who and other bands. Anyway, the release is coming out and I actually sort of enjoy, in a small way, guessing what the next track will be. Some might think it's pointless (the release AND this discussion) and they aren't wrong (about the discussion), but it boggles my mind that they care so much that feel they need to comment on it. If the subject doesn't interest you, find one that does. Why are you wasting your time here? You hit the nail right on the head. At first I thought this compilation was just another poor excuse to attain more cash. But once you seperate yourself from this die-hard persona we seem to have, and look at the bigger picture in hand it makes sense. After reading your post I reflected on how I came to know and love Queen. I first bought their Greatest Hits [Hollywood] album, which touched on them in the 70s, but only just scraped their music from the 80s. In fact, at the time, I quickly assumed Queen were purely a 70s rock band. But after buying Classic Queen I was blown away to find out that not only did they continue on throughout the 80s, but their music grew more mature and diverse. Not to mention it was then that I found out Freddie Mercury wasn't alive anymore. When buying these albums, I think my parents steered me away from getting the three CD set because it would have been a waste of money if I found out I didn't like them. I think this new 'definitive' compilation has a purpose and will serve as a better introduction to our younger generation. |
Holly2003 10.08.2009 04:46 |
Yes, GH collections are aimed at casual fans and grannies looking for Xmas presents but Queen Productions could've made, for example, a limited edition 2-disc set, one with the hits and one with the b-sides, or remixes, or basically anything to get dedicated Queen fans to buy it. That's what U2 did with their 'Best of' collections a few years back. It's idiotic to alienate their most dedicated group of fans. I think it's more down to laziness these days than anything else. They don't put any effort in their releases any more, it seems they just want the maximum return for the smallest amount of work. |
dragon-fly 10.08.2009 05:10 |
1- We Will Rock You 2- We Are The Champions That was VERY easy |
rhyeking 10.08.2009 12:14 |
Holly2003 wrote: Yes, GH collections are aimed at casual fans and grannies looking for Xmas presents but Queen Productions could've made, for example, a limited edition 2-disc set, one with the hits and one with the b-sides, or remixes, or basically anything to get dedicated Queen fans to buy it. That's what U2 did with their 'Best of' collections a few years back. It's idiotic to alienate their most dedicated group of fans. I think it's more down to laziness these days than anything else. They don't put any effort in their releases any more, it seems they just want the maximum return for the smallest amount of work. Holly, I'm not picking on your post specifically here, it's just that you raise points which others have too, so I'm citing your post here. Please don't take it personally. The U2 "Best Of" 2 Disc releases were limited editions. You can only get the single disc in stores these days. Honestly, and maybe this is the pessimist in me talking, if QP included a strictly B-sides disc with the Absolute Hits, there would still be fans who'd still say, "Yeah, but we have those songs already!" and we'd find ourselves back here again. As for not putting effort into releases...I don't entirely agree. The Queen Rock Montreal + Live Aid DVD made my day. I didn't want to have to by the 6 disc Live Aid DVD set just to get Queen's segment (I held off getting it in the hopes of getting Queen's performance in a more managable release later...and my sister bought the Live Aid DVDs, so I knew I could copy hers if the single performance never made it out). As someone pointed out, last year was a good year for releases, with a new album and a live DVD/CD. The Singles collections are controversial and pricey, yes, but the 1975 Hammersmith Odeon concert is coming out, so you have *that* to look forward too. As a fan, *I* don't feel alienated. When Stone Cold Classics was released by HR, I was like, "Okay, whatever." I was happy about the re-issued Montreal concert DVD/CD. I guess the difference between me and other fans is that I don't feel Queen owes every release being dedicated to me as a hardcore fan. I haven't bought the Singles Boxes because of the price. I have the songs already. I'm curous, as a fan, about what will be on the next few and even started a post suggesting a track listing. My point in this rambling: New stuff comes out and "previously released" stuff comes out at fairly regular intervals (a live album every few years, a new "Hits" collection every few years), so buy what you want and try to keep some perspective. And remember, we ALL want the so-called Queen Anthologies chock full of demos and unreleased stuff. We've wanted it since at least 2002. Seven years of posting: "Why have you foresaken us, QP?" about them has gotten us what, exactly? Queen and Queen Productions isn't going to forget we want them if we all stop moaning about them. They might actually appreciate our restrained so they don't feel pressured and end up releasing a sub-par product. Patience is a virtue. I know it's hard (I lose mine regularly!). |
rhyeking 10.08.2009 12:28 |
Another update! "Killer Queen" is officially track 12. Now we've got: i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 The UK Top 10 theory holds. I'm guessing "I Want To Break Free" will be next. |
Negative Creep 10.08.2009 12:51 |
rhyeking wrote: The U2 "Best Of" 2 Disc releases were limited editions. You can only get the single disc in stores these days. Honestly, and maybe this is the pessimist in me talking, if QP included a strictly B-sides disc with the Absolute Hits, there would still be fans who'd still say, "Yeah, but we have those songs already!" and we'd find ourselves back here again. Which would be a total pisstake. That would piss anyone off who has just bought parts 1 and 2 of the singles boxsets, and would decrease sales of parts 2 and 4. Way to go! |
rhyeking 10.08.2009 13:10 |
Which is why the single disc Absolute Hits collection continues to make sense, for the reasons listed above. I'd interested to see if Queen and Queen Productions pull the Platinum Collection after Absolute Hits lands on the shelf. Brian has said that he'd prefer to push album sales, which is obviously being deflected by a massive 3 disc set in the UK and a half a dozen collections in the US. Keep Absolute Hits and Queen Rocks on the shelves and do a big promotional campaign for the original albums. Naturally, all this would be directed at new fans and not us, who have the albums. *We* have Hammersmith 1975 to look forward to! |
Holly2003 10.08.2009 13:19 |
@rhyeking -- good points, no problem at all with well-argued (and polite) responses to what I say. I don't see why Queen could not have released a Limited Edition set along the lines of the U2 set I mentioned. Something for the casual fan, and something for the more dedicated. I mentioned b-sides, which I would've considered buying (but, to be honest, may not have), but a b-side extra disc was just one option. They could've released remixed versions, 12-inch versions, demo versions, a DVD etc., in short, anything to appeal to a more dedicated fan. But they chose not to. I find it difficult to understand that strategy except for the reason I stated -- laziness, maximum return for least effort etc. As for Queen's efforts in the last decade or so, I bought Milton Keynes which was long overdue a release, and was excellent I bought Queen Rock Montreal on DVD, but the special extras that were promised turned out to be Live Aid(!) so I was a bit disappointed with that given what they might have included instead. On a whim, I bought a Princes of the Universe cd about 6 years ago. (I also bought TCR, plus the live QPR shows, but that's a little different). And that's about it. I don't believe that Queen have really catered to more dedicated fans over that time period: their marketing strategy, it seems to me, is always to go for a generic audience, and any release that would not have mass appeal is not considered. Of course, I'm really looking forward to Hammersmith: hopefully they'll make it worthwhile, with proper specical features and a decent book(let). Maybe they'll also follow the lead of QRM and release it as a cd and DVD. @negative creep -- I don't understand why they released the single boxsets in the first place (anyone have any sales figures?), so don't ask me why they've chosen to release a collection of singles on one cd at the same time! |
maxpower 10.08.2009 13:40 |
It's simple whoever is in charge they're money grabbing C**** |
rhyeking 10.08.2009 14:24 |
Holly2003 wrote: @rhyeking -- good points, no problem at all with well-argued (and polite) responses to what I say. I don't see why Queen could not have released a Limited Edition set along the lines of the U2 set I mentioned. Something for the casual fan, and something for the more dedicated. I mentioned b-sides, which I would've considered buying (but, to be honest, may not have), but a b-side extra disc was just one option. They could've released remixed versions, 12-inch versions, demo versions, a DVD etc., in short, anything to appeal to a more dedicated fan. But they chose not to. I find it difficult to understand that strategy except for the reason I stated -- laziness, maximum return for least effort etc. As for Queen's efforts in the last decade or so, I bought Milton Keynes which was long overdue a release, and was excellent I bought Queen Rock Montreal on DVD, but the special extras that were promised turned out to be Live Aid(!) so I was a bit disappointed with that given what they might have included instead. On a whim, I bought a Princes of the Universe cd about 6 years ago. (I also bought TCR, plus the live QPR shows, but that's a little different). And that's about it. I don't believe that Queen have really catered to more dedicated fans over that time period: their marketing strategy, it seems to me, is always to go for a generic audience, and any release that would not have mass appeal is not considered. Of course, I'm really looking forward to Hammersmith: hopefully they'll make it worthwhile, with proper specical features and a decent book(let). Maybe they'll also follow the lead of QRM and release it as a cd and DVD. @negative creep -- I don't understand why they released the single boxsets in the first place (anyone have any sales figures?), so don't ask me why they've chosen to release a collection of singles on one cd at the same time! If they put a Limited Edition 2 disc Absolute Hits + Other stuff (remixes, b-sides, extended versions, etc.), I 'd buy it! The Very Best Of Freddie Mercury did it, though that wasn't a QP release. Maybe they will, there's still plenty of time before it comes out. I assume they'll issue the Hammersmith '75 concert on DVD *and* CD. The DVD won't be complete because Brian confirmed the BBC crew stopped taping after the R'n'R' Medley...leaving the last few songs (Rhye, Fool, etc.) audio-only. I'll be annoyed if it's DVD only. |
rhyeking 12.08.2009 00:36 |
The next track was announced, by the way! "These Are The Day Of Our Lives" is Track 13. i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 Now I'm starting to think Bohardy is right! He predicted "Don't Stop Me Now" and "Days Of Our Lives". Those are both Top UK 10. He also predicted "Who Wants To Live Forever" (#24) and "The Show Must Go On" (#16). If they make it, my theory is toast. |
bitesthedust 12.08.2009 14:19 |
Who Wants To Live Forever has been listed as the next song. Found this old topic yesterday - some interesting insights: link Surely Innuendo will not be overlooked for the Absolute Greatest cd? |
qrock 12.08.2009 15:45 |
Well it is not Going to be The Top Ten UK Hits in this new album, really I did like the sound of this at first but now it just seems all 1980s and not THE BEST of Queen. |
rhyeking 12.08.2009 15:57 |
You're right! WWTLF made it aboard! Well, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to head out back with my Top 10 UK theory and put a round into it. ) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever UK #24 (the first non-UK Top 10 hit here! [sigh]) |
Queen On Ice 12.08.2009 16:02 |
rhyeking wrote: You're right! WWTLF made it aboard! Well, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to head out back with my Top 10 UK theory and put a round into it. ) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever UK #24 (the first non-UK Top 10 hit here! [sigh]) hey don't beat yourself up about it, it WAS a perfectly good theory for the first 13 songs :) Who knows HOW they came up with their list - maybe it was just a pin and blindfold LMAO. |
rhyeking 12.08.2009 16:37 |
I'm not beating myself up, I'm just disappointed at what I call the consistent inconsistency of QP. A single CD of Top Ten hits makes a certain amount of sense. Queen have 24 of them in the UK, which cover their career pretty evenly, so they could have picked 20 from them, or enough to fill an 80 minute CD, and there you go. i know it's pointless to ask "What were they thinking?" and I'm trying to resist the urge...but...God!.... What... Were... No! Not going to say it! It's hard, but... Fuck! (My brain just exploded!) |
Maxïmo Razzamatazz 13.08.2009 06:35 |
Only six to go. I put my money on: Bohemian Rhapsody, Somebody To Love, I Want To Break Free, Innuendo, The Show Must Go On and Heaven For Everyone. Of those six i can only imagine Heaven For Everyone and Innuendo not making the cut, the last one because of its length. I still think Tie Your Mother Down deserves a spot, compensating the fact it isn't on GH1. I mean, Brian May has succeeded in making that one a stone cold classic over the years, right? Since Q+PR didn't play Now I'm Here i guess it's the track Brian and Roger played the most, am i right? The inclusion of Who Wants To Live Forever proves they're not looking at chart positions, thank god. This really's gonna be a collection of the most well know tracks all over the world. And i think it's great. Cheerz, MR |
rhyeking 13.08.2009 13:24 |
"The Seven Seas Of Rhye" had made Track 15. i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever UK #24 (the first non-UK Top 10 hit here! [sigh]) xv) The Seven Seas Of Rhye UK #10 I guess I don't need to track the chart positions (which QP is obviously ignoring...), but I've come this far and *I* chose to be consistent, haha. Also, I have to say, every guess I've made after "Champions" has been completely wrong. The track listing is so utterly back and forth between decades I'm resigned to guessing at random. The odds seem about the same! |
rhyeking 14.08.2009 13:53 |
"Heaven For Everyone" is Track 16. Here's how it looks: i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever UK #24 (the first non-UK Top 10 hit here! [sigh]) xv) The Seven Seas Of Rhye UK #10 xvi) Heaven For Everyone UK #2 I've taken to guessing "I Want To Break Free" every time because eventually it's got to be right! Haha |
Reid_Special_98 14.08.2009 21:40 |
I think it is a safe bet that Bohemian rhapsody will close out the cd...at least in my mind. |
Bohardy 15.08.2009 04:40 |
Well, it's pretty obvious anyway, but BR was the track I was referring to earlier that rhyeking guessed in the right position. I did say to trust me... |
rhyeking 15.08.2009 12:02 |
Yes, you did. I mentioned earlier in the thread that it appears you'll be correct. If you know the track listing already, maybe you know the answer to this: why didn't they stick with UK Top 10 hits? I have nothing against WWTLF and TSMGO (which, if you're right, will end up on there, too), but with the name 'Absolute Greatest Hits,' it implies the best of the best. It's not as if they had too few Top 10s to pick from, they actually had too many (24, in fact). It's a small niggle, but there you go. |
Saint Jiub 16.08.2009 01:30 |
I seem to vaguely remember that Bohardy made an "outlandish" prediction about Queen (based on info he knew from an inside source in the music industry if I remember correctly) which turned out to be true. I can't remember Bohardy's prediction, but I have an inkling that it concerned the then unannouced QPR tour of the US, or the unannounced upcoming studio album from QPR. Then again, my my mind might be playing tricks with me, and I'm full of shit as usual. |
Saint Jiub 16.08.2009 01:34 |
rhyeking wrote: Yes, you did. I mentioned earlier in the thread that it appears you'll be correct. If you know the track listing already, maybe you know the answer to this: why didn't they stick with UK Top 10 hits? I have nothing against WWTLF and TSMGO (which, if you're right, will end up on there, too), but with the name 'Absolute Greatest Hits,' it implies the best of the best. It's not as if they had too few Top 10s to pick from, they actually had too many (24, in fact). It's a small niggle, but there you go. Per your link that you posted when you started this topic ... http://www.pcpki.com/queen/singles.html ... TSMGO is a very reasonable choice as it was a top 10 hit in two countries and charted 10 weeks or more in three countries. Presumably, Innuendo will apparently be omitted from this CD, because it did not chart for 10 weeks in any country (although it reached #1 in the UK and #4 in Holland). In my opinion (based on "The Charts"), WWTLF clearly does not deserve to be included in this CD, as it did not chart 10 weeks in any country, and only managed to reach #7 in Holland when it was reissued for the FM Tribute concert in 1992. Based on "The Charts", Breakthru, Innuendo, FBG and Bicycle Race are more deserving than WWTLF. Even the much maligned Body Language is more deserving than WWTLF, as it charted for 14 weeks in the USA, and reached #6 in Holland. Evidently WWTLF will make into the top 20 songs on this CD because Roger did not have the balls to stand up to Brian. |
bitesthedust 16.08.2009 05:24 |
Save Me reached #11 in the UK and was in the charts for 6 weeks, so that would be more deserving to be on this compliation than Who Wants To Live Forever. It's hardly an "Absolute Greatest" cd if one of the UK #1's - i.e. Innuendo - is omitted! |
Maxïmo Razzamatazz 16.08.2009 08:42 |
Only four left. I Want To Break Free, Somebody To Love, The Show Must Go On and Bohemian Rhapsody. No diggity no doubt. I'll be having grass for dinner if otherwise, i tell you. Shame about Innuendo and Tie Your Mother Down though. Real shame. And I'm not surprised Who Wants To Live Forever is included. It deserves to be, cause it turned into a stone cold classic. I mean, it's in every 'funeral-chart' you read about, ain't it? |
vessel 16.08.2009 17:33 |
I have to admit I was really excited about this project but now I kinda have my doubts. I took the known songs and added them to be burned on a blank cd. After adding the obvious Bohemian Rhapsody to my list and adding I Want to Break Free and Somebody to Love there was only 4:30 left on the blank cd. So my guess is that Innuendo will not be on the album. That really blows my mind why they added Who Wants To Live Forever, Innuendo should have been added instead. And If they do add Innuendo than that means either Bree Free or Somebody to Love would be cut. Adding Who Wants To Live Forever was a mistake. |
rhyeking 16.08.2009 23:33 |
If they were to make a disc of B-sides corresponding to the tracks on Absolute Hits, here's what it might look like: Disc 1 "Absolute Greatest Hits" Disc 2: B - sides i) We Will Rock You i) Radio Ga Ga (Instrumental Version) 12QUEEN1 iia ii) We Are The Champions ii) I Go Crazy 12QUEEN1 iib iii) Radio Ga Ga iii) Dragon Attack (AOBTD B-side) iv) Another One Bites The Dust iv) Hang On In There QUEEN10 v) I Want It All v) We Will Rock You (Live - Fast) (CLTCL B-side) vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love vi) A Dozen Red Roses For My Darling QUEEN7 vii) A Kind Of Magic vii) Soul Brother (UP B-side) viii) Under Pressure viii) Blurred Vision QUEEN6 ix) One Vision ix) '39 (YMBF B-side) x) You're My Best Friend x) In Only Seven Days (DSMN B-side) xi) Don't Stop Me Now xi) Flick Of The Wrist (KQ B-Side) xii) Killer Queen xii) Forever 12QUEEN9 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives xiii) See What A Fool I've Been (TSSOR B-side) xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever xiv) It's A Beautiful Day QUEEN21 xv) The Seven Seas Of Rhye xv) Machines (or 'Back To Humans') QUEEN2 xvi) Heaven For Everyone xvi) White Man (STL B-side) xvii) I Want To Break Free (?) xvii) Keep Yourself Alive CDQUEEN19 xviii) Somebody To Love (?) xviii) Queen Talks CDQUEEN19 xix) The Show Must Go On (?) xix) Body Language CDQUEEN19 xx) Bohemian Rhapsody xx) I'm In Love With My Car (BR B-side) |
Voice of Reason 2018 17.08.2009 06:23 |
Interesting list Rhye king, thanks! I agree with you about the final four Maximo. That'll mean that Who Wants to Live Forever will get Innuendo's place and The Show Must Go On will get Breakthru's. If they hadn't done that Brian would have only one solo writing credit! Not only should 'Who Wants' not be here, it shouldn't have been a single in the first place! It got chosen ahead of Princes of the Universe in 1986 for crying out loud! Cheers, The Voice. |
4 x Vision 17.08.2009 07:36 |
bhm0129ad wrote:rhyeking wrote: You're totally right, I shouldn't let dumbasses get to me. Every now and then, though, you just feel the need to swat at the mosquitos even though they'll never entirely go away.I like that analogy muchly Jake |
rhyeking 17.08.2009 13:17 |
Track 17 = Somebody To Love i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever UK #24 (the first non-UK Top 10 hit here! [sigh]) xv) The Seven Seas Of Rhye UK #10 xvi) Heaven For Everyone UK #2 xvii) Somebody To Love UK #2 My previous B-Side list would have a different order, but the same tracks. |
vadenuez 17.08.2009 14:59 |
Voice of Reason 2009 wrote: That'll mean that Who Wants to Live Forever will get Innuendo's place and The Show Must Go On will get Breakthru's. If they hadn't done that Brian would have only one solo writing credit! Not only should 'Who Wants' not be here, it shouldn't have been a single in the first place! It got chosen ahead of Princes of the Universe in 1986 for crying out loud! Cheers, The Voice. Actually three songs out of one of Queen's lamest albums (AKOM) is a bit too much of a reward. If Brian wanted writing credits he could have filled that space with two better songs. |
rhyeking 17.08.2009 15:40 |
vadenuez wrote:Voice of Reason 2009 wrote: That'll mean that Who Wants to Live Forever will get Innuendo's place and The Show Must Go On will get Breakthru's. If they hadn't done that Brian would have only one solo writing credit! Not only should 'Who Wants' not be here, it shouldn't have been a single in the first place! It got chosen ahead of Princes of the Universe in 1986 for crying out loud! Cheers, The Voice.Actually three songs out of one of Queen's lamest albums (AKOM) is a bit too much of a reward. If Brian wanted writing credits he could have filled that space with two better songs. You do understand that A Kind Of Magic is partially a soundtrack album, with AKOM, OYOL, WWTLF, GTP (KT), DLYH and POTU written for Highlander. DLYH was reworked from A Dozen Red Rose For My Darling, yes, but it amounts to the same thing: half the album stems from that movie. The original LP/CD/Cassette release of the album also totes One Vision as 'from the motion picture "Iron Eagle" (it wasn't written for it, but it was prominently featured and Queen had no qualms advertising the song that way). It would have been lame if Queen didn't collect these songs for release, because no official Highlander Soundtrack came out at the time, despite being advertised in the credits for the movie. It's not entirely fair to view this album the same way you would with Jazz or News Of The World. |
goinback 17.08.2009 22:23 |
What people still fail to realize is Queen are a *rock* band, and were more important on the FM rock album-oriented stations than the pop stations, so their "hits" should not necessarily correspond with how the singles charted. Hopefully Queen will finally realize this, and realize that "Tie Your Mother Down" is much more worthy of a compilation like this than "Body Language". |
rhyeking 17.08.2009 23:00 |
That's exactly why they released the Queen Rocks compilation, to feature their heavier stuff over the lighter "Hits". |
Pim Derks 18.08.2009 01:46 |
rhyeking wrote: That's exactly why they released the Queen Rocks compilation, to feature their heavier stuff over the lighter "Hits". You mean that compilation which tracklist was changed to include more hits, like TYMD, WWRY, SSOR, IWIA, Headlong, Hammer to Fall, Now I'm Here, One Vision and Fat Bottomed Girls instead of including REAL rock tracks like Gimme The Prize, Princes of the Universe, Dead On Time and Liar? |
rhyeking 18.08.2009 12:35 |
Pim Derks wrote:rhyeking wrote: That's exactly why they released the Queen Rocks compilation, to feature their heavier stuff over the lighter "Hits".You mean that compilation which tracklist was changed to include more hits, like TYMD, WWRY, SSOR, IWIA, Headlong, Hammer to Fall, Now I'm Here, One Vision and Fat Bottomed Girls instead of including REAL rock tracks like Gimme The Prize, Princes of the Universe, Dead On Time and Liar? How do you figure the tracklisting was "changed"? Name your source. And this has to be the first time I've heard anyone ever argue that because a song was hit, it's not a REAL rock track. Are you actually saying you believe Dead On Time is more rock than Tie Your Mother Down or Fat Bottomed Girls? What are you defining as "rock" here? My definition: electric guitars, strong vocals, uptempo, some ballsy lyrics and/or delivery, and a catchy riff. ALL the songs you listed, Hits and album tracks alike, fit this bill. It sounds to me like all you wanted was a collection which featured songs that weren't on a Greatest Hits album. |
rhyeking 18.08.2009 12:43 |
I Want To Break Free is officially Track 18 i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever UK #24 (the first non-UK Top 10 hit here! [sigh]) xv) The Seven Seas Of Rhye UK #10 xvi) Heaven For Everyone UK #2 xvii) Somebody To Love UK #2 xviii) I Want To Break Free UK #2 I think it's safe to say The Show Must Go On and Bohemian Rhapsody are going to close out the collection. TSMGO and WWTLF I'm still kind of reeling from, as they left a #1 Hit in Innuendo off in favour of a #24 Hit. |
Voice of Reason 2018 18.08.2009 12:57 |
vadenuez wrote:Voice of Reason 2009 wrote: That'll mean that Who Wants to Live Forever will get Innuendo's place and The Show Must Go On will get Breakthru's. If they hadn't done that Brian would have only one solo writing credit! Not only should 'Who Wants' not be here, it shouldn't have been a single in the first place! It got chosen ahead of Princes of the Universe in 1986 for crying out loud! Cheers, The Voice.Actually three songs out of one of Queen's lamest albums (AKOM) is a bit too much of a reward. If Brian wanted writing credits he could have filled that space with two better songs. Absolutely! Let's keep putting the boot in on Who Wants to Live Forever! |
Yara 18.08.2009 13:12 |
rhyeking wrote: I Want To Break Free is officially Track 18 i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever UK #24 (the first non-UK Top 10 hit here! [sigh]) xv) The Seven Seas Of Rhye UK #10 xvi) Heaven For Everyone UK #2 xvii) Somebody To Love UK #2 xviii) I Want To Break Free UK #2 I think it's safe to say The Show Must Go On and Bohemian Rhapsody are going to close out the collection. TSMGO and WWTLF I'm still kind of reeling from, as they left a #1 Hit in Innuendo off in favour of a #24 Hit. You should celebrate "Who Wants To Live Forever"!!! It's a wonderful song, even if it undermines your theory a bit. : -))) Ah, your theory held fast. As of now, it's the only one which didn't make the UK-top 10. It's still possible to dismiss it as a "random unpredictable variant of very low incidence". : -))) I'd prefer: One Vision - Don't Stop Me Now - You're My Best Friend - Killer Queen. Just a curiosity, I'd love to know that: I always thought We Are The Champions had been a #1 UK hit. Well, it turns out it wasn't; is there a way of knowing which song topped We Are The Champions back then? It'd be fun to know. |
rhyeking 18.08.2009 13:34 |
I'm not picking on WWTLF. I like the song. I just don't think with a name like Absolute Hits, you should leave a No. 1 Hit off in favour of a No. 24 Hit. Shouldn't this be the best of the best? |
Holly2003 18.08.2009 13:50 |
At the risk of getting involved in a topic I care little about..I would guess WWTLF sold more than Innuendo, even though it charted lower. By the 1990s, singles sales in the UK were falling, and it didn't take much to reach no.1 at that point. So it may be record sales rather than chart position that QP are using. More likely though that its inclusion is driven by Brian's ego... |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 18.08.2009 14:06 |
Yara wrote:mull of kintyre-paul mccartney & wings kept it off the top of the chartsrhyeking wrote: I Want To Break Free is officially Track 18 i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever UK #24 (the first non-UK Top 10 hit here! [sigh]) xv) The Seven Seas Of Rhye UK #10 xvi) Heaven For Everyone UK #2 xvii) Somebody To Love UK #2 xviii) I Want To Break Free UK #2 I think it's safe to say The Show Must Go On and Bohemian Rhapsody are going to close out the collection. TSMGO and WWTLF I'm still kind of reeling from, as they left a #1 Hit in Innuendo off in favour of a #24 Hit.You should celebrate "Who Wants To Live Forever"!!! It's a wonderful song, even if it undermines your theory a bit. : -))) Ah, your theory held fast. As of now, it's the only one which didn't make the UK-top 10. It's still possible to dismiss it as a "random unpredictable variant of very low incidence". : -))) I'd prefer: One Vision - Don't Stop Me Now - You're My Best Friend - Killer Queen. Just a curiosity, I'd love to know that: I always thought We Are The Champions had been a #1 UK hit. Well, it turns out it wasn't; is there a way of knowing which song topped We Are The Champions back then? It'd be fun to know. |
Holly2003 18.08.2009 14:10 |
JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: mull of kintyre-paul mccartney & wings kept it off the top of the charts Sure about that? I thought it was a David Soul song, whose names escapes me. |
Yara 18.08.2009 15:02 |
JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: mull of kintyre-paul mccartney & wings kept it off the top of the charts Hey, that's fascinating. Thanks a million. Oh muuull of kintyyyyre...oh mist rolling...da-la-la...it's such a beautiful tune. "We Are The Champions" is my favorite Queen song, though. But it's fair play, I guess the song is good enough to have topped We Are The Champions. I love Paul's voice. Da-da-lala-laaaa...da-laaa-laaa-laaa-laaaaaa...tin-tin-tin-tin, da-laaa...I don't know the lyrics, but I remember the melody. I remember it being played at home. Lovely! Do you know what songs topped each one of these Queen's hits in the U.K? This is so fascinating. Who dared to top somebody to love? ------------- To Rhyeking: Yeah...it's weird. Maybe Brian thinks Innuendo is already fairly represented by "These Are The Days..."? But choosing a 24th is akward indeed...the song is wonderful, but if the aim is releasing the absolute hits, it's a weird choice. So it seems "Save Me" and "Play The Game" didn't make the top-10 list. And the only song by the band, the only single one I absolutely hate, which is Another One Bites The Dust, is always there...damn! I love Deacon's songs, "Spread Your Wings" is one of my favorites, but I hate Another One Bites The Dust with all my heart. It's irritating. The tempo, the belching-Freddie, the lyrics..."Fun It" from Jazz is better...well..."Fun It" is a horrible song, but I like it in a way, it's cool and it doesn't get on my nerves. Another One Bites The Dust makes me really angry. Weird the reactions music can provoke. Where's Love of My Life? It didn't make the top-10 either? It's fascinating to know these things. Anyway, this is interesting: ) We Will Rock You (Brian) ii) We Are The Champions (God) iii) Radio Ga Ga (Roger) iv) Another One Bites The Dust (John) v) I Want It All (Brian) vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love (God) vii) A Kind Of Magic (Roger under the guidance of God) viii) Under Pressure (God) * and Bowie ix) One Vision (Roger, according to himself) x) You're My Best Friend (John) xi) Don't Stop Me Now (God) xii) Killer Queen (God) xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives (Roger) xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever (Brian) xv) The Seven Seas Of Rhye (God) xvi) Heaven For Everyone (Roger) xvii) Somebody To Love (God) xviii) I Want To Break Free (John) So that: Brian (3), Roger (5), John (3), God (7) Despite the spread of atheism, God is still omnipotent. |
Wiley 18.08.2009 17:45 |
Yara: Not a proper source here but I remember reading somewhere that Somebody to Love was kept off the UK #1 by Chicago's "If you leave me now", which I think it's a beautiful song. A quick look at good ol' Wikipedia tells me that the Chicago hit was indeed a number one in starting on November 13th 1976 and stayed there for 3 weeks so I guess the info adds up. |
steven 35638 18.08.2009 23:23 |
That's a fantastic Chicago tune! In my opinion, the band was and still is underrated. I love their earlier stuff the most though (especially the album Chicago II). Absolute classic! |
cmi 19.08.2009 02:01 |
Why do all discuss this release as another Greatest HITS compilation with the main criteria of track inclusion is the chart position? There's no word "Hits" in the title. I see it as the compilation of greatest tracks from the entire band career choosen by its (remaining) members + JB of course. |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 19.08.2009 04:09 |
Holly2003 wrote:JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: mull of kintyre-paul mccartney & wings kept it off the top of the chartsSure about that? I thought it was a David Soul song, whose names escapes me. if it was then it was 'dont give up on us baby' or 'silver lady' which is just a travesty on a par with Joe Dulce keeping Ultravox's Vienna off the top spot! if i was on 'who wants to be a slumdog millionaire' and the question came up i would pick Mull of Kintyre over David Soul though.. |
Holly2003 19.08.2009 04:49 |
Wattsamatter you, gotta no respect...for David Soul? You might be right -- my memory isn't what it used to be. For ages I've been believing that The Police's 'Every Little Thing She Does is Magic' kept 'Under Pressure' from reaching no.1 in the UK, but in fact they were both no.1 hits. Plus, I recall seeing Brian May on Noel Edmunds Swap Shop, talking about his sixpence, but apparently I'm the only one with that memory! |
rhyeking 19.08.2009 05:48 |
CMI wrote: Why do all discuss this release as another Greatest HITS compilation with the main criteria of track inclusion is the chart position? There's no word "Hits" in the title. I see it as the compilation of greatest tracks from the entire band career choosen by its (remaining) members + JB of course. Actually, the competition site goes out of its way to call it a Greatest Hits album: link And the package shot News page even calls it a Greatest Hits collection: link The name is Absolute Greatest (I was refering to it as Absolute Hits, so sue me). Either way, all I've ever argued for is consistency. Top 10 UK hits would be a consistent standard. If they said it was going to be a track listing of Queen's most popular songs, it would pretty much be '70s material + The Game (and maybe Flash), which is basically the 1981 Greatest Hits album. I should also repeat here that the selection fans could guess for did NOT include anything from the debut album, likely because as popular as Keep Yourself Alive is now, it failed to chart at all in 1973. In the end, it doesn't really matter. It is what it is. |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 19.08.2009 09:41 |
Holly2003 wrote: Wattsamatter you, gotta no respect...for David Soul? You might be right -- my memory isn't what it used to be. For ages I've been believing that The Police's 'Every Little Thing She Does is Magic' kept 'Under Pressure' from reaching no.1 in the UK, but in fact they were both no.1 hits. Plus, I recall seeing Brian May on Noel Edmunds Swap Shop, talking about his sixpence, but apparently I'm the only one with that memory!i think you will find it was Saturday Superstore with Mike Read that Brian appeared on with the sixpence.it was around the time of the release of Star Fleet as they played the video too..[my memory is apparantly a little bit better than yours lol] |
Benn 19.08.2009 11:15 |
Yep - and Star Fleet used to follow Saturday Superstore......happy days! |
Yara 19.08.2009 11:18 |
Wiley wrote: Yara: Not a proper source here but I remember reading somewhere that Somebody to Love was kept off the UK #1 by Chicago's "If you leave me now", which I think it's a beautiful song. A quick look at good ol' Wikipedia tells me that the Chicago hit was indeed a number one in starting on November 13th 1976 and stayed there for 3 weeks so I guess the info adds up. Great song that deserved the first place for as much as I like "Somebody To Love". So both songs' - "We Are The Champions" and "Somebody To Love" - defeat in the charts was fair. |
rhyeking 19.08.2009 12:36 |
As predicted, The Show Must Go On is Track 19. I think we can all guess what Track 20 will be! i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever UK #24 (the first non-UK Top 10 hit here! [sigh]) xv) The Seven Seas Of Rhye UK #10 xvi) Heaven For Everyone UK #2 xvii) Somebody To Love UK #2 xviii) I Want To Break Free UK #2 xix) The Show Must Go On UK #14 (the other non-UK Top 10 hit) |
Yara 19.08.2009 12:58 |
rhyeking wrote: As predicted, The Show Must Go On is Track 19. I think we can all guess what Track 20 will be! i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever UK #24 (the first non-UK Top 10 hit here! [sigh]) xv) The Seven Seas Of Rhye UK #10 xvi) Heaven For Everyone UK #2 xvii) Somebody To Love UK #2 xviii) I Want To Break Free UK #2 xix) The Show Must Go On UK #14 (the other non-UK Top 10 hit) Weird. "It's a Hard Life" peaked at # 6 and it's not there. Here it's said that "The Show Must Go On" peaked not at #14, but #16: http://www.chartstats.com/artistinfo.php?id=400 So they could have included based on the hit theory instead of the record sales theory or Brian's ego theory, all of them (theories) very plausible: 1) Winter's Tale 2) Let Me Live 3) Innuendo (#1) 4) Breakthru' (#7) 5) It's a Hard Life (#6) 6) Flash (#10) But no: the unbearable "Another One Bites The Dust" had to be there instead of Innuendo, one of Queen finest tracks, or "It's a Hard Life". Tracks that peaked higher than "Show Must Go On" and/or "Who Wants To Live Forever": 1) Now I'm Here (#11) 2) Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy (#17) 3) Bycicle Race/Fat Bottomed Girls (#11) -> though here I must confess I prefer Who Wants To Live Forever. 4) Save Me (#11) 5) Play The Game (#14) - 6) Las Palabras (#17) - Peaked higher than Who Wants To Live Forever, wow! 7) Hammer To Fall (#13) - Higher than both 8) Thank God It's Christmas (#21) - tops "Who Wants To Live Forever". 9) Friends Will Be Friends (# 14) 10) The Invisible Man (#12) 11) The Miracle (#21) - tops "Who Wants To Live Forever 12) I'm Going Slightly Mad (#22) - tops "Who Wants To Live Forever 13) Headlong (#14) - Tops "Who Wants To Live Forever 14) Too Much Love Will Kill You (#15) 15) You Don't Fool Me - The Remixes (#17) 16) No One But You/Tie Your Mother Down (#13) |
rhyeking 19.08.2009 14:33 |
My mistake, I meant to type The Show Must Go On as charting at #16, not #14 (I was in a hurry, oops). And yes, Yara, Queen had 24 original UK Top 10 Hits, 18 of which appear on this collection. I'm not including the Queen + 5ive remake of We Will Rock You, the George Michael + Queen version of Somebody Love and the 1991 re-issued Bohemian Rhapsody, all of who reached the UK #1 as well, because they are...well...reduxes. Plus, it would seem redundant to include the Q+5 WWRY and the GM+Q STL on Absolute Greatest, as the originals are present and the push is to promote Queen, not the Queen+ projects (David Bowie sneaks in there, but that was an original collaboration between the five men, not just a re-recording). |
Saint Jiub 19.08.2009 18:11 |
TSMGO being included is not entirely unreasonable. TSMGO reached #7 and charted for 12 weeks in Holland. Supposed, and it sounds unlikely to me, TSMGO reached #2 and charted for 17 weeks in the USA? However including WWTLF instead of Innuendo is extremely questionable. |
rhyeking 20.08.2009 15:07 |
This probably marks the end of the thread, with the last track of Absolute Greatest reveal as (surprise, surprise): Bohemian Rhapsody. I think we all saw that one coming when it wasn't announced as the first track. So, let's recap... The tracks and their UK Chart positions: i) We Will Rock You UK #2 (via "Champions," "WWRY" was never an A-side in the UK) ii) We Are The Champions UK #2 iii) Radio Ga Ga UK #2 iv) Another One Bites The Dust UK #7 v) I Want It All UK #3 vi) Crazy Little Thing Called Love UK #2 vii) A Kind Of Magic UK #3 viii) Under Pressure UK #1 ix) One Vision UK #7 x) You're My Best Friend UK #7 xi) Don't Stop Me Now UK #9 xii) Killer Queen UK #2 xiii) These Are The Days Of Our Lives UK #1 xiv) Who Wants To Live Forever UK #24 (the first non-UK Top 10 hit here! [sigh]) xv) The Seven Seas Of Rhye UK #10 xvi) Heaven For Everyone UK #2 xvii) Somebody To Love UK #2 xviii) I Want To Break Free UK #2 xix) The Show Must Go On UK #16 (the other non-UK Top 10 hit) xx) Bohemian Rhapsody UK #1 Original UK Top 10s left off: Queen+ UK Top 10s left off: Flash UK #10 Somebody To Love (with George Michael) UK #1 It's A Hard Life UK #6 Another One Bites The Dust (with Wyclef Jean) UK #5 Breakthru UK #7 We Will Rock You (with 5ive) UK #1 Innuendo UK #1 A Winter's Tale UK #6 Let Me Live UK #9 |
Rick 21.08.2009 07:09 |
Shave my ass and call me auntie Annie. What a tracklist! |