QueenZone discussion #1175833

on my way up wrote: Maybe someone can split the tracks and torrent it? I really like this show. I'm really looking forward to hearing this complete version! thanks again

Ducksoup wrote:

  on my way up wrote: Maybe someone can split the tracks and torrent it? I really like this show. I'm really looking forward to hearing this complete version! thanks again

You can easily do this yourself with a free shareware program called cdwav editor.

Ducksoup wrote: Rick, Thanks a lot for sharing. Very generous. I don't really understand the bashing of the so called 'hoarders'. I mean you DO realise that the people you thank for their generous shares (Bob, YV) are the same people who hoard recordings (just like I do) One can share some recordings and hoard others at the same time. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. Hoarding hasn't always something to do with plain greed. It's the way the Queen trading community works on a certain level. I understand you don't like it that way anymore and decided to share. Must feel good I guess. I'm planning on sharing some rare recordings too, BUT just like Bob, YV and others I definately  will keep on hoarding some.  Oh and, of course, after this post of yours we can't do trades anymore now ;-)  

Rick wrote: Funnily enough, it was the first thing he did when he had entered the venue (and passed the security): preparing his recorder. He clearly didn’t want to miss a thing. Not a fan, but such effort is truly remarkable! He was standing near the mixing desk when he recorded the concert.          

Mr. Scully wrote:

  Ducksoup wrote: Rick, Thanks a lot for sharing. Very generous. I don't really understand the bashing of the so called 'hoarders'. I mean you DO realise that the people you thank for their generous shares (Bob, YV) are the same people who hoard recordings (just like I do) One can share some recordings and hoard others at the same time. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. Hoarding hasn't always something to do with plain greed. It's the way the Queen trading community works on a certain level. I understand you don't like it that way anymore and decided to share. Must feel good I guess. I'm planning on sharing some rare recordings too, BUT just like Bob, YV and others I definately  will keep on hoarding some.  Oh and, of course, after this post of yours we can't do trades anymore now ;-)  

  My words :-) Above all I don't understand why some people who share here need to keep reminding others how "brave" they are (fighting against collectors for some reason, probably). I think the best sharers are those who don't expect anything in return (and that includes admiration from others :-) If people share, thanks to them, if they don't share, it's not our business why they don't. Why create borders between people?

on my way up wrote:

  Ducksoup wrote:  

      on my way up wrote:   Maybe someone can split the tracks and torrent it? I really like this show. I'm really looking forward to hearing this complete version! thanks again  

You can easily do this yourself with a free shareware program called cdwav editor.

I know;-) I was just thinking it would be nice to have this running as a torrent aswell and such a torrent would be even better with the tracks already splitted.

Ducksoup wrote: Rick, Thanks a lot for sharing. Very generous. I don't really understand the bashing of the so called 'hoarders'. I mean you DO realise that the people you thank for their generous shares (Bob, YV) are the same people who hoard recordings (just like I do) One can share some recordings and hoard others at the same time. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. Hoarding hasn't always something to do with plain greed. It's the way the Queen trading community works on a certain level. I understand you don't like it that way anymore and decided to share. Must feel good I guess. I'm planning on sharing some rare recordings too, BUT just like Bob, YV and others I definately  will keep on hoarding some.  Oh and, of course, after this post of yours we can't do trades anymore now ;-)  

Ducksoup wrote:

  on my way up wrote:  

      Ducksoup wrote:      

              on my way up wrote:       Maybe someone can split the tracks and torrent it? I really like this show. I'm really looking forward to hearing this complete version! thanks again      

You can easily do this yourself with a free shareware program called cdwav editor.

I know;-) I was just thinking it would be nice to have this running as a torrent aswell and such a torrent would be even better with the tracks already splitted.

So, you know how to do it and you think it's nice to have a torrent running? Do the math.

Mr. Scully wrote:

  Ducksoup wrote: Rick, Thanks a lot for sharing. Very generous. I don't really understand the bashing of the so called 'hoarders'. I mean you DO realise that the people you thank for their generous shares (Bob, YV) are the same people who hoard recordings (just like I do) One can share some recordings and hoard others at the same time. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. Hoarding hasn't always something to do with plain greed. It's the way the Queen trading community works on a certain level. I understand you don't like it that way anymore and decided to share. Must feel good I guess. I'm planning on sharing some rare recordings too, BUT just like Bob, YV and others I definately  will keep on hoarding some.  Oh and, of course, after this post of yours we can't do trades anymore now ;-)  

  My words :-) Above all I don't understand why some people who share here need to keep reminding others how "brave" they are (fighting against collectors for some reason, probably). I think the best sharers are those who don't expect anything in return (and that includes admiration from others :-) If people share, thanks to them, if they don't share, it's not our business why they don't. Why create borders between people?

Ducksoup wrote: Hoarding is a personal thing. I videotape concerts (queen related and non-queen related) to preserve musical history.  Do you ever tape a show Raf? No you don't. Did Bob ever tape a show? No he didn't. Some shows I share, some shows I don't share. I have my own personal reasons for sharing or not sharing a recording. Simple as that. Don't know about you Raf, but I'm in this Queen game for almost 20 years now. Changing the community sure is an ambitious plan, but I gave up a long time ago. I don't have to have so called "Queen friends". It's no real friendship. Most Queen fans I met during the years turn out to be jealous little childs in the end. Wining about a show they can't have. That's not friendship to me. That's childish behaviour. Sometimes I share (or trade my own recordings without restrictions: when I'm too lazy to share) and sometimes I don't. I'm not planning on changing this. I don't give a damn what other people think about that.

      Panchgani wrote:   The elite trader / hoarder comments are uncalled for in my opinion.  It isn't 2005 anymore.  

Ducksoup wrote: Of course, in theory you are right. But studying law you should know there is a huge difference between knowing you are right and getting your right (don't know if that's proper English, but I'm sure you know what I mean) Call me cynical but I don't believe the queen game (or whatever you wish to call it) will ever change. Way too much greedy non intelligent egoistic people in this community... Unlike the Zappa, Tool, Pink Floyd or other more sophisticated communities...

workstour wrote:   Are u shure this is from 19.06.86?   Only 60 Minutes are on Bootleg Markt from this Show. 11. and 12.6. are complete.  

Ducksoup wrote: How about this? You still have to upload that particular show from our trade, right? Instead of sending the links exclusively to me, share them over here. In return I will upload my QPR Antwerp '08 recording (audio, that is). We both share, the community profits from it. Everybody happy.

Yara wrote: Hi, Rick!!! Thanks a lot!!!  How are you? I hope you're doing fine. Freddie's singing is so beautiful in the Leiden gigs! Even the vocal intros to Under Pressure have a different spin to them as he goes flawlessly through some classic operatic motifs and turns a funny interaction with the audience in a very moving and special moment too - his improvising, let's say, is full of lyricism and delicacy, which is a way of honoring both his craft and his audience.  And, wow!, poor me!!! I shouldn't be there among these great people, Rick! I just made some silly re-uploads of concerts which had already been shared on Queenzone and most people who come to the website already had. Many people do this by attending the requests posted on the board.  If there's someone who deserves the praise is dear Ginger01!!!! So, I'll just be humbly representing Ginger01 there with my name, ok? I'll be the French ambassador to Queenzone as I like Dafty a lot too. :-)))) Just for this post, French people may rest assured! :op Thanks for the share, the kind words and, above all, let there be a lot of joy and peace. I wish you all a lot of peace and joy and a wonderful sunday! Yara.           

Ducksoup wrote: I videotape concerts (queen related and non-queen related) to preserve musical history. Do you ever tape a show Raf? No you don't. Did Bob ever tape a show? No he didn't.

Ducksoup wrote: Call me cynical but I don't believe the queen game (or whatever you wish to call it) will ever change.

Ducksoup wrote: I will upload my QPR Antwerp '08 recording (audio, that is). We both share, the community profits from it. Everybody happy.

Sir GH wrote: My post any ONLY my post was deleted from this thread.  I was the second to last person to post in this thread at the time that it had disappeared, before Bokkepoot.  Is this some kind of censorship?

Yara wrote:

  Sir GH wrote: My post any ONLY my post was deleted from this thread.  I was the second to last person to post in this thread at the time that it had disappeared, before Bokkepoot.  Is this some kind of censorship?

Hi, SirGH! How are you? I hope you're doing fine and had a great weekend.   It can't be official censorhip, I think. I'm not only sure that dear Your Valentine would never do it, but she herself was at a loss for what had happened - she replied promptly to users asking what had happened and said she'd contact Richard to fix whatever was the problem, which baffled her too!  Maybe you didn't mean official censorship by Your Valentine or Richard, but other people may get it wrong and interpret it in the worse possible way. Because both dear Your Valentine and Richard do a great job, which I deeply respect, I felt like writting it. As always, I'm willing to edit it upon the wish of YV or Richard, if they don't see it fit or don't think it's helpful.  Again, I know it's likely not what you meant. I think we just have to be careful there when we talk about censorship because people may draw misguided conclusions which will only do harm to the community.  Thanks to Rick, again, to Your Valentine and Richard! Take care, SirGH.   -------- Hi, Rick!!! Thanks for the reply. I'm doing. :) Is there this kind of answer in English? "How are you doing?", "Well, I'm doing". lol There's in Portuguese something similar, so I thought about giving it a try! It's supposed to mean: "I'm not really doing FINE, but I'm not feeling bad either." :)))) Oh, Gosh, I complicate things too much!!! I'm doing! :)))   Best Regards.   

Rick wrote: Okay, here's part 1 of CD2: link I will edit the original post as well. If anyone of you encounters another problem, please ring my bell (don't take it too literally though ;-))

Rick wrote:

              Panchgani wrote:       The elite trader / hoarder comments are uncalled for in my opinion.  It isn't 2005 anymore.      

I respect that, but I see that differently. I've had contact with a bunch of a-holes who promised a lot, but could not make their words reality. I also loathe comments like "I have show x but I can't share nor trade it". I will re-upload part 1 of CD2 soon. Please give me some time. Edit: @Martin, Dennis: I agree completely. Maybe I should have said it differently. What I meant was: those people who tease us with a few samples of a rare recording and leave it like that. A great example is the Monterrey video. Or the 3 seconds samples of the Mexican Queen fanclub. I mean, what's their point? As I said earlier: I, unfortunately, had contact with a few other people who did exactly the same. I just can't stand that :-) I must say, sharing this concert is a huge relief! Also, don't get me wrong. I don't need any worship of some kind. All credits go to the taper! Plus, I wanted to do something in return, for all those great Queen collectors who shared something from their private collections. In conclusion: hoarding is fine, to a certain extend. ;-)

on my way up wrote: So to sum it up, Bob has Brussels recordings of Queen(with Freddie) and you have tracked down uncirculated Queen masters, Dennis(so you both did the same great thing). Maybe this is a solution: Bob uploads a master of Queen in Brussels and in return you upload an uncirculated Queen(with Freddie) master you have. In the end you both get something you want and so does the entire community. Really, there's no need to be mad at each other of the will to share is there! Come one you little Obama's: Yes we can!

Ducksoup wrote:

  on my way up wrote: So to sum it up, Bob has Brussels recordings of Queen(with Freddie) and you have tracked down uncirculated Queen masters, Dennis(so you both did the same great thing). Maybe this is a solution: Bob uploads a master of Queen in Brussels and in return you upload an uncirculated Queen(with Freddie) master you have. In the end you both get something you want and so does the entire community. Really, there's no need to be mad at each other of the will to share is there! Come one you little Obama's: Yes we can!

Like I said: There are a lot of greedy bitches in this community that I don't want to serve. Putting my masters online will do so. I'm not very fond of that idea. I've traded a lot of my rare stuff in the past with a very select group of fellow collectors wich I 100% thrust. I want them to have my recordings because I thrust them with my recordings and I like them as a person. The will to share has always been there. But not the will to share it with everyone (including the people I don't like, and people who are only greedy and ask for recordings and never contribute).

Ducksoup wrote:       on my way up wrote:   The community consists of a whole bunch of people. If each and every one of those is willing to change things we can do it, I'm sure of that. Can the few of us who have posted in this topic not start with this change? Why would you want to keep things as they are?  

Ducksoup wrote:   on my way up wrote: By the way, I consider myself to be a nice guy, easy to like, very trustworthy haha ;-)

Rick wrote: I wish I could share more rarities, but this was my only gem, I'm afraid... I'm not asking others to share their rarities (unless they really want to!). @Dennis: on page 1 of this thread, you said you agreed to the fact that you shouldn't expect something in return, when you share something. Still, you want something in return as you said: "Why on earth would I donate my rarities to a community that I don't really like that much? What do I get in return? Uncirculated 70's footage? I don't think so." That's a bit contradicting, isn't it? I don't care which people download "my" recording, really. In the end we're just all God's people who, evidently, share the same passion: Queen.

Ducksoup wrote: On my way up wrote: I don't think I'm among your circle of trusted people though.... I can't remember trading uncirculated Queen material actually:-) Ducksoup: That circle is very very small.  And you did recieve some very nice queen related masters Raf. I don't remember you having uncirculated Queen (-related) masters at all... It's so easy to ask for rare stuff If you can't give equally rare stuff in return. I'm not going to burn my hands on that with people outside my inner circle.

  Ducksoup wrote: I just don't like the fact that Bob is playing the holy saint blaming other collectors they are hoarding while he is doing the exact same thing. If I want to share I share. If I don't want to share I don't. Just like Bob is doing .  End of discussion.

Ducksoup wrote: About the material I have wich I did not tape myself: if the taper in person sold me his masters and told me I could do with it whatever I liked (hoarding it included!) I'm fully permitted to do with it whatever I like. Even though I did not tape the particular show myself.

You are doing exactly the same Bob. Why don't you upload the Brussels masters you recently recieved? And how about your silent 8 mm masters? Don't blame people behaving a certain way if you are doing the exact same thing. That's very hypocrite.

I do have a BIG problem with you telling other collectors who hoard what to do.

That circle is very very small.

L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: I will surely send Mar del Plata(half of the show at 64kb/s)

Sir GH wrote:

L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: I will surely send Mar del Plata(half of the show at 64kb/s)

You of all people should finally give something back after downloading 300+ recordings for free.  Offering crumbs from an audience recording is not the way to go, especially when a radio broadcast exists.

L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: if you have a better source from the Mar del Plata show I posted here some tine ago you can perfectly share and many people will be happy.

      Alex Solan. wrote:   ... by the way, I'd rate the sound quality of this recording only as Good...  

L-R-TIGER1994 wrote:

 Alex Solan. wrote: ... by the way, I'd rate the sound quality of this recording only as Good...

and you that you are an expert critic of Queen shows quality why don't you either: 1)thank the person that generously posted it here. 2)share a better version yourself cos apart from attacking people I've never seen a post with something you give. 3)buy a Delorean and travel back to 1986 and record it yourself with excellent quality from the 1st row?

  Alex Solan. wrote: Oh, Lord, I always knew that L-R-FUCKER was a fucking mental handicapped but what surprises me is that he had reached a new level... So useless trying to reply to him. Thank God we have people with the knowledge and generosity as Bob.

I do have a BIG problem with you telling other collectors who hoard what to do.

That circle is very very small.

Which ones are you talking about? You never asked about Rotterdam or the Hague.

Also, funny to hear from someone who is always so concerned with preserving quality. Did I really hear you saying recordings from cell phones and mini disc recorders?

you must understand that you are not the person who tells me what to share

The Hague might be an option. I don't have it yet. We can discuss it later.

Rotterdam is no option. I only want uncirculated 8mm footage in return. I'm not trading it with anyone I don't thrust 100% with it.

I don't want it to leak. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Rick wrote: I wish I could share more rarities, but this was my only gem, I'm afraid...

Ducksoup wrote: You do your shares (and hoarding) and I'll do mine.

I will contact you as soon as I have the The Hague tape. Will keep you posted.

pittrek wrote: OK guys . A public announcement. If somebody shares / sends me the COMPLETE LOSSLESS audience recording of Mar Del Plata I will share / send him a AUD / radio matrix.

YourValentine wrote: Thank you very much for the much appreciated share, Rick :) .

Alex Solan. wrote: ... by the way, I'd rate the sound quality of this recording only as Good...

Ducksoup wrote:

  Rick wrote: I wish I could share more rarities, but this was my only gem, I'm afraid...

You forgot that Earls Court first gen. video of yours. Would be a nice share I think.

Rick wrote:

Ducksoup wrote:

Rick wrote: I wish I could share more rarities, but this was my only gem, I'm afraid...

You forgot that Earls Court first gen. video of yours. Would be a nice share I think.

Sounds odd, but Peter's version is better.

Rick wrote:

  Ducksoup wrote:  

      Rick wrote:   I wish I could share more rarities, but this was my only gem, I'm afraid...  

You forgot that Earls Court first gen. video of yours. Would be a nice share I think.

Sounds odd, but Peter's version is better.

Rick wrote:

Alex Solan. wrote: ... by the way, I'd rate the sound quality of this recording only as Good...

And there's nothing wrong with that :) Some parts, most of the time the less louder parts, sound a tad better. In the end, it's a subjective matter. I do hope you like it, notwithstanding the average sound quality.

pittrek wrote:

  Rick wrote:  

      Alex Solan. wrote:   ... by the way, I'd rate the sound quality of this recording only as Good...  

And there's nothing wrong with that :) Some parts, most of the time the less louder parts, sound a tad better. In the end, it's a subjective matter. I do hope you like it, notwithstanding the average sound quality.

I have to agree with both of you. I'd rate it as something between G+ and VG- . Still, it's an uncirculated master so who are we to complain :-)

  Ducksoup wrote:  

      Rick wrote:      

              Ducksoup wrote:              

                              Rick wrote:               I wish I could share more rarities, but this was my only gem, I'm afraid...              

You forgot that Earls Court first gen. video of yours. Would be a nice share I think.

Sounds odd, but Peter's version is better.

I thought so already. You bastard :-)

tilomagnet wrote: Look at it this way: While this particular recording may not be of the greatest quality, someone out there is most likely sitting on a decent, complete tape of this show. And now that the complete show is out, it has just lost a lot of it's value and is more likely to get circulated. The first night in Leiden has like 4 different sources as of now, you bet that a couple of tapers were rolling tape on the third night as well.

Mr. Scully wrote: mostly minor upgrades of shows we've all had for years

Mr. Scully wrote: A couple more comments from me (although I'm more a "man in the shadows" these days :-) 1. There are very few people here who share and don't really expect anything in return. All other people who are "heroes" for this community for their shares (mostly minor upgrades of shows we've all had for years) are also "hoarders and elite collectors" in the same time, you never see the real gems from their collection here on QueenZone. That includes Bob, Dennis, me and 90% people in this thread :-) And it's their/our right and there's nothing wrong about it. 2. Trying to change the whole community by sharing everything will NEVER work. The parallel with communism is correct. Communism can never work (and trust me, we had those fucking bastards in my country for 40 years). 3. I haven't shared anything since 2002 or so simply because I never had a good internet connection until 2006 or so... and now I don't have time for anything (not even for standard trades! - only QPR is an exception). Since I don't have time even for normal trades, I wouldn't mind sharing anything from my collection - the problem is that some of the shows are "not for trade" as set by the original owners. And although I don't care about ruining my own trades but I DO CARE about the promises I give to others. I will always respect them. But if there's a show that would be wanted here on QZ and is not marked as not for trade, let me know and I'll upload it. I will also sooner or later upload some of my own QPR recordings (and some sound great, trust me). So please guys, don't be hypocrites or don't criticize others. We all have rarities, we all refuse to share them. No need to start flamewars.