Queenline 24.03.2008 09:15 |
Brian May - 1998 - 11.14 Osaka As prommis at link The 1998 - 11.10 1998 - 11.11 1998 - 11.13 will come later when I get the time to look at it :-D and opload them I dont have any info of this one other than I got it from the hub years ago but look at Queen concerts: link It look like lossless with the EAC So here it is: 1. link 2. link 3. link 4. link 5. link 6. link 7. link 8. link 9. link 10.link 11.link 12.link 13.link 14.link 15.link 16.link 17.link 18.link 19.link 20.link 21.link 22.link 23.link 24.link 25.link 26.link Dont konvert it to mp3 and so on ..... you know the drill have fun and enjoy |
dobo 24.03.2008 09:34 |
Great thanks a lot for this !!!! |
pittrek 24.03.2008 09:36 |
Hey hey hey, thanks a lot ! You can never have enough of Brian May :) |
PBB 24.03.2008 11:05 |
Tak:-) |
Queenrockyou 24.03.2008 13:04 |
Many thanks for some more solo gigs... Nice ! Regards, Olivier, France. |
Batman04 24.03.2008 14:26 |
Thank You |
TaylorGaGa 24.03.2008 19:05 |
Thanks for this! :) |
Walter B. 25.03.2008 07:41 |
Thanks for sharing. Is there something wrong with track 17 and 22? They don't have a name and the extension is not .flac? |
pittrek 25.03.2008 09:39 |
Just give them the correct name and extension. Track 17 is the band introduction, track 22 is We Will Rock You |
daffy_the_duck 25.03.2008 10:03 |
Thanks a lot, always happy when I see an AW gig here! |
rg9l 25.03.2008 10:17 |
Yeah, please rename track 17 and 22! |
Queenrockyou 25.03.2008 11:55 |
No ! Unfortunately it is not sufficient. I did that and wanted to correct SBE errors, as there were clicks between all tracks unfortunately. But Traders Little Helper says me that those two files are corrupted, so it can't fix SBE errors. Queenline, do you think you could re-upload (or send me by email) those two files without being corrupted, and if needed I could fix SBE errors and upload again proper files ? Anyway the good point is that it is checked as 100% lossless by Audiochecker. Thanks a lot ! Regards, Olivier, France. |
Queenline 25.03.2008 14:35 |
Hi I am sorry for the error at the opload - here is the track there are missing Track 17 link Track 22 link Hope they are working this time |
Walter B. 25.03.2008 15:16 |
Thanks Queenline! |
Ale Solan 25.03.2008 16:15 |
someone could correct those fucking annoying clicks? I'm not in the mood to edit the whole stuff or recommend an app to automatize that job? thanks |
Queenrockyou 25.03.2008 17:06 |
Don't worry Alex, if this is caused by SBE errors, Queenlive is on it, and if there was a problem I will do this and share again soon !! Regards, Olivier, France. |
Queenrockyou 25.03.2008 18:44 |
For anyone interested, here is the method I use to check and correct SBE errors. Feel free to add your comments and to complete or modify if it is not the perfect method ! The great software for that is Trader's Little Helper (there are a lot of other helpful functions in this software). It is also known as TLH. I will do as if you don't know about that software. Just follow this link : link and download and install the software. If the link doesn't work, you'll have to seek it on the web but as it is quite well-known among a lot of collectors communities, you should find it quite easily. When you set up the software, don't choose the "professional" version (don't know how it is called) but the classic version, for beginners, or whatever it i called. Don't forget to specify the level 8 for Flac if it is asked during the setting up. Once installed, your software offers you a lot of possibilities. I will only talk about SBE for the moment as it is what is important for the moment, on the subject of the Brian May share. Open the software, and then choose "Analysis" and "check audio files for SBE". You will have to browse and select the files you want to check. Do the test with the Brian May files just shared and you'll see what I mean. So, you checked the files. To fix them, just select "Tools" and "Fix SBES" in the menu above. Add your files, check that they are in the right order, from 1 to 26 (there were 26 files if I remember well), and check the following options : Mode : Fix Action : Ship backwards Two boxes below, tick only the second one, "Pad Last Files with 0 bytes". In the "re-encoding" level section, choose FLAC level 8 (Very Important, don't forget that one ! 8 is perfect, 6 is the default value I think. don't bother about the APE figure in this section). In the output section, select if you want the new corrected files to be created on the same directory or in a new one (that you could call "Brian May Osaka SBE corrected to avoid mistakes). If it is in the same directory, you can overwrite the files, but for a first attempt I would suggest you to create a new folder, if you made a mistake then there is no problem, you can erase the wrong directory and try again. That's it, the computer does the rest as soon as you click on "Fix". Regards, Olivier, France. |
TimBHM 25.03.2008 19:39 |
ruth.olivier wrote: For anyone interested, here is the method I use to check and correct SBE errors ... the ramblings of a genius ... That's it, the computer does the rest as soon as you click on "Fix". Regards, Olivier, France.Thanks for the guide Olivier - I shall file this away for future reference! Unfortunately it hasn't removed the clicks. Well at least not from my copy! :( |
Ale Solan 25.03.2008 21:38 |
Thanks for the helpful guide Olivier but unfortunately SB errors and clicks like the one present in this show are not the same so they cannot be treated with that TLH feature. This click removal should be done manually with an editing app like GoldWave or Adobe Audition (Audicity a nice free option) Again, I don't feel like doing that editing so I hope someone can. Cheers. |
Queenrockyou 26.03.2008 04:48 |
OK, so SBE had to be fixed. I could not do that because of the two files which were corrupted, and could not check after that if it had corrected the clicks. Unfortunately I can't edit manually, I'm not that expert. So maybe someone more skilled could also do a small tutorial here, as we could learn new things, and fix this recording properly. We should need a special part o this forum for all technical problems and explanations ! Hope someone could be of some help here ! Regards, Olivier, France. |
Queenrockyou 28.03.2008 15:14 |
Any news ? is someone working on this recording, or anyone has a better version available, without those clicks, and maybe a complete lineage ? Regards, Olivier, France. |
rg9l 28.03.2008 16:10 |
Olivier, how can I correct a click? Are there any tutorials on the web? I might try to do it. |
pittrek 28.03.2008 16:14 |
You would help me if you wrote where are the clicks. I'm currently on track 20 and I still found none (but it is the truth that I'm not listening to whole songs, just parts) |
daffy_the_duck 28.03.2008 16:15 |
I found this tutorial for removing click(s) with audacity: link |
rg9l 28.03.2008 16:58 |
daffy_the_duck wrote: I found this tutorial for removing click(s) with audacity: linkThank you! Tomorrow I'll try to work on it. Don't shame on me but...exactly what is a click? I'm very confused 'cause sometimes 'click' means a thing, sometimes another different one...in this case, a 'click' is a noise that sounds as 'click!'. Is the same click of old dusty vinyls? Don't hate me for this stupid question that only a n00b like me can do! |
TimBHM 28.03.2008 17:18 |
ruth.olivier wrote: Any news ? is someone working on this recording, or anyone has a better version available, without those clicks, and maybe a complete lineage ? Regards, Olivier, France.Unfortunately, Audacity's Click Removal tool doesn't seem to want to pick up the clicks so I'm going through and removing them manually....! It's going to take a while but I'll shove the results up online once I am done. |
Queenrockyou 28.03.2008 17:23 |
Thanks for the tutorial ! We should do that with every technical subject, whether it is related to Flac, or burning CDs or DVDs or whatever, and have a sort of "technical" thread that would sum up all these things, as we could therefore refer to one single post to learn things we don't know and to allow newbies to access easily to all that explanation. It's great to share that information ! Thanks rg2l for your work on this recording, if we can sort it out and make more enjoyable then it would be a great achievement !! To Pittrek, try to listen to the four or five first songs at once, the clicks are at the very beginning of the songs, or at the moment the track changes; maybe you know that sort of problem, I personnally don't remember having experienced it before, but knew that kind of problem could happen ! Thanks again ! Regards, Olivier, France. |
TimBHM 28.03.2008 17:36 |
ruth.olivier wrote: Thanks for the tutorial ! We should do that with every technical subject, whether it is related to Flac, or burning CDs or DVDs or whatever, and have a sort of "technical" thread that would sum up all these things, as we could therefore refer to one single post to learn things we don't know and to allow newbies to access easily to all that explanation. It's great to share that information ! Thanks rg2l for your work on this recording, if we can sort it out and make more enjoyable then it would be a great achievement !! To Pittrek, try to listen to the four or five first songs at once, the clicks are at the very beginning of the songs, or at the moment the track changes; maybe you know that sort of problem, I personnally don't remember having experienced it before, but knew that kind of problem could happen ! Thanks again ! Regards, Olivier, France.I agree - would be nice to build up a knowledge base around here. Anyway, I've manually edited all the clicks from the start of each track so I am now in the process of uploading the files back to mediafire - will probably create a new thread but will post here when the first links are up. Just so that we're clear, I have done the following: 1) Decompress to WAV using TLH 2) Fix SBEs using TLH 3) Manually wave-edit out the clicks using Audacity 4) Recompress to FLAC (level 8) using TLH Tim |
Queenline 28.03.2008 17:45 |
hi I am sorry for not responding befor I have been away for some days There is the same click at the concert I have - I dont know what to do about it |
Queenrockyou 28.03.2008 18:30 |
You rule Tim.... Perfect !! Take your time reuploading ! It's nice from you assuming this probably time-consuming job. Now we will have a cleaner recording of a Brian May show... I hope we can go on with those Brian May shares, I really enjoy them ! Tim, would you mind helping Queenline with the other recording and explain him clearly how to proceed ? Also, anybody has an idea of the lineage maybe ? Thanks a lot to you all for the technician advices ! Regards, Olivier, France. |
The Real Wizard 28.03.2008 19:03 |
2) Fix SBEs using TLH 3) Manually wave-edit out the clicks using Audacity Why is 2 necessary if you're doing 3? Just curious. |
TimBHM 28.03.2008 19:42 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: 2) Fix SBEs using TLH 3) Manually wave-edit out the clicks using Audacity Why is 2 necessary if you're doing 3? Just curious.Well I had already fixed the SBEs thinking that they might be the source of the clicks. Given that SBEs are generally considered bad, I decided to proceed from the fixed wavs. To clear up point 3) I didn't remove the clicks by removing sections of the wave, I did it by normalising the section of the waveform (less than a microsecond) which contained the click. So there's no run-length lost in this operation. Maybe you thought 2) was redundant because it sounded like I'd just cut out the clicking sections of each track? |
TimBHM 28.03.2008 20:18 |
ruth.olivier wrote: You rule Tim.... Perfect !! Take your time reuploading ! It's nice from you assuming this probably time-consuming job. Now we will have a cleaner recording of a Brian May show... I hope we can go on with those Brian May shares, I really enjoy them ! Tim, would you mind helping Queenline with the other recording and explain him clearly how to proceed ? Also, anybody has an idea of the lineage maybe ? Thanks a lot to you all for the technician advices ! Regards, Olivier, France.Thanks for the vote of confidence! I think I've eliminated all the clicks but if anyone does find one then I'm more than happy to replace the tracks. I'm not sure what the best way to help Queenline is - fixing this kind of stuff is a real pain in the @$$ and runs more on instinct than a set of rules. However if Queenline wants to put the files online then I'm more than happy to take a stab at editing the clicks out of those too. It would be interesting to get more info though - are these silvers or CD-Rs? Might be an issue with the way they are being imported? I'm about to stick this babies online - I'm assuming you'd like Mediafire like last time so that's where I'll put them. Here's the new link: link Oh and did you have any joy getting the missing parts of Buenos Aires back online? link |
The Real Wizard 28.03.2008 23:48 |
TimBHM wrote: To clear up point 3) I didn't remove the clicks by removing sections of the wave, I did it by normalising the section of the waveform (less than a microsecond) which contained the click. So there's no run-length lost in this operation. Maybe you thought 2) was redundant because it sounded like I'd just cut out the clicking sections of each track?Makes sense to me. Indeed, it matters if you can refrain from cutting down the track time! |
TimBHM 29.03.2008 06:24 |
Part 1 is now online - the remaining 7 parts should follow shortly. |
rg9l 29.03.2008 11:29 |
TimBHM wrote: Unfortunately, Audacity's Click Removal tool doesn't seem to want to pick up the clicks so I'm going through and removing them manually....! It's going to take a while but I'll shove the results up online once I am done.Hi Tim, I'm wondering how do you remove the clicks manually...I tried to use Audacity but it doesn't work! Can you upload me a track with clicks that I can delete with Audacity? Thank you for reading this. Riccardo |
TimBHM 29.03.2008 11:55 |
rg9l wrote:Just look at any of the tracks in this share. To delete the clicks in Audacity there are basically three things you can do:TimBHM wrote: Unfortunately, Audacity's Click Removal tool doesn't seem to want to pick up the clicks so I'm going through and removing them manually....! It's going to take a while but I'll shove the results up online once I am done.Hi Tim, I'm wondering how do you remove the clicks manually...I tried to use Audacity but it doesn't work! Can you upload me a track with clicks that I can delete with Audacity? Thank you for reading this. Riccardo 1) Use the built-in Click Removal 2) Manually edit the waveform using the Draw tool 3) Reduce the click to near silence using the Hard Limit tool. Now 1) never works for me! So I ended up using 2) on all the tracks in this share. However a couple still had "ghost" clicks left in either the left or right channels so I went back and used 3) on them. I think the most effective method is 2) because for this kind of click the duration is less than milliseconds. So what you do is zoom in on the waveform until you find your click and then basically level the waveform out with the draw tool. I'll post a screenshot. |
TimBHM 29.03.2008 12:17 |
Step 1 - identifying the click (note that in the case of this share - some of the clicks spanned both the start of the track and the end of the previous track) |
TimBHM 29.03.2008 12:18 |
Step 2 - editing the click out. Flatten that wave!!! |
Queenrockyou 29.03.2008 16:18 |
Thanks a lot for this technical discussion, very interesting !! I should try Audacity as soon as possible... If I manage to get it and install on my computer without problems, then I'll try and take a look at this software ! Many thanks to all !! To the moderators, I would be really interested in a sort of technical discussion being made sticky, which could benefit to all Queenzoners ! Regards, Olivier, France. |
rg9l 29.03.2008 17:58 |
Thank you Tim, now it's all clear. Nice and easy to understand tutorial.
It's not that hard to do, it's only a long boring work...
One question:
you wrote
''Well I had already fixed the SBEs thinking that they might be the source of the clicks. Given that SBEs are generally considered bad, I decided to proceed from the fixed wavs.''
Do you raccomend to fix SBEs (Secondary Boundary Errors: in other words, what do they are?) for every file before editing it with Auddacity?
ruth.olivier wrote: To the moderators, I would be really interested in a sort of technical discussion being made sticky, which could benefit to all Queenzoners !It would be great! And maybe a section with torrents and another one with RS/MF links... |
TimBHM 29.03.2008 18:05 |
rg9l wrote: Thank you Tim, now it's all clear. Nice and easy to understand tutorial. It's not that hard to do, it's only a long boring work...Yes it's a real pain - not so much a precise method as lots of trial and error and patient listening until it sounds right. rg9l wrote: Do you raccomend to fix SBEs (Secondary Boundary Errors: in other words, what do they are?) for every file before editing it with Auddacity?Hmm good question - I know a bit about audio but nowhere near as much as someone like Stark does and this was my first attempt at cleaning up. I would say yes. You're going to want to have the data in the files as clean as possible before you edit them in Audacity and there's another thing which could catch you out - it certainly got me! When you come to convert the WAVs back to FLAC for sharing, make sure you use Trader's Little Helper and make sure you process them all in order and in one big batch. This way, you can have TLH fix the SBE's while you're encoding. I didn't realise that TLH didn't do this automatically so when I checked my new FLACs before sharing I was shocked to see that some had SBEs so I re-encoded them. Tim |
tassilo 05.04.2008 05:26 |
Thank you very much! |
Queenrockyou 05.04.2008 05:55 |
Queenline, your share was a fantastic one ! Do you think you could go on with the other japanese shows you have ? Maybe with Tim's help ? I can't help but ask for some more Brimmy !!!!! regards, Olivier, France. |
TimBHM 05.04.2008 06:23 |
ruth.olivier wrote: Queenline, your share was a fantastic one ! Do you think you could go on with the other japanese shows you have ? Maybe with Tim's help ? I can't help but ask for some more Brimmy !!!!!I'm more than happy to help cleaning them up if they need it. In fact if you have them on CD and want to avoid wasting the bandwidth of uploading them twice you can always post copies to me. I know my ISP would be happier about me not downloading things twice!! You should have seen my usage stats for the last two months... OUCH! |
Queenline 05.04.2008 06:30 |
hi TimBHM Send me a email and we can talk about the other stuff of Brian I got :-D Queenline |