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24.10.1982 queen in osaka

	Posted on 18.05.2006 16:43:14
	I always thought that queen played in Osaka on the 24.10.1982. BUT Mr Scully, you mentioned : Nishinomiya (Hankyu Nishinomiya Stadium). On this date. I know this show from a double LP called "GET DOWN" So... I don't know what to think :(

	Posted on 18.05.2006 21:52:56
	For that I know Nishinomiya is a metropolitan area - near Osaka (and between Kobe) like Tokorozawa near Tokyo (Queen concert 3.11.1082) or even St. Paul vs Minneapolis.

	Posted on 19.05.2006 09:36:56
	Yes. Saitama isn't Tokyo and St. Paul isn't Minneapolis and Drammen isn't Oslo. I'm just trying to have my database as accurate as possible :-) Queen didn't play in Osaka, Osaka is just a city near Nishinomiya - but Queen played in Nishinomiya.

	Posted on 19.05.2006 14:42:28
	the same think with Inglewood with Fabulous Forum and Los Angeles

	Posted on 19.05.2006 15:21:27
	Yes, some US gigs are very confusing. Sometimes I don't really know if it's a city or a suburb... like the Meadowlands / East Rutherford / New Jersey thing...

	Posted on 19.05.2006 18:21:33
	Or Civic Auditorium on Santa Monica or Los Angeles :))

	Posted on 19.05.2006 19:22:35
	anyway... thanks for the answer.

Posted on 21.05.2006 14:27:21

Indeed the Keihanshin (Osaka metropolitan area) covers five prefectures, including Hyogo (where Nishinomiya is located). My Japanese is weaker each day (I haven't practised it for donkey's years) but still I can read the kanji on the ticket (next to the date) and it does say that the concert's at Nishinomiya.

Watanabe Osaka is mentioned as well (in smaller romaji letters) but it's not the name of the city but the name of a person (a gig sponsor, I guess).

Interesting prize: 4,500 yen is about just half of what most concerts cost today in Japan. Very few inflation for two and a half decades :)

	Posted on 22.05.2006 08:37:27
	Sebastian, is this name 西宮市 mean Nishinomiya? Google sometimes present few different thinks how to write this in japanese language and tickest from this place also looks bit different

	Posted on 22.05.2006 14:51:20
	西宮 stands for Nishinomiya (west something). 市 is 'shi', so 西宮市 is sort of Nishinomiya-city. The ticket says 西宮球場 which stands for Nishinomiya-Kyūjō, that is, Nishinomiya Stadium. All Jap cities add an extra kanji in their full name (Tokyo-to, Nagasaki-shi), which is dropped for other uses (like this). God how I love that language ... and that country :)

	Posted on 23.05.2006 07:19:37
	Thanks a lot man ! :))

	Posted on 23.05.2006 12:39:43
	Sebastian, how difficult is it to learn Japanese? Compared to studying English, German or French for example :)

	Posted on 23.05.2006 14:42:21
	I think Martin it is quite complex - ~ 2000 basic kanji signs is to much for my small brain :)

Posted on 23.05.2006 15:34:59

It's got some pros and cons. By one side, it's agglutinative (both German and French are inflecting and English is mostly analytical nowadays), thus it's a little hard to train the mind to think synthetically and mechanically in that form (Hungarian speakers wouldn't have much trouble with that), and the word order is different too: SOV.

However, there are several advantages too: many kanji are conceptual, therefore sometimes you might not know how to pronounce a word but you see the symbols and suss out the meaning. Plus phonetics are far simpler than Indo European tongues. Especially in Tokyo, where some consonants have been gradually lost - I hate Tokyo accent but sadly that's the one I speak with :(

As far as vocabulary is concerned, it's quite easy too, particularly if you want to speak informally: slang chiefly derives from English (mostly American, unfortunately for me...) and wasei-eigo (made-in-Japan English) is quite popular. Most youngsters say "zenkyu" instead of "arigatou", "gurin" instead of "midori" (green) and so on. Yet a vast majority of those terms end up being nothing but pseudo-anglicisms, often hard to be recognised by a native speaker because pronunciation is not-so-subtly altered.

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